Transgender-ism and Pronouns

[Rocopurr]

No Hippo, the concept of gender identity has not changed as a part of some Marxist conspiracy; it has been changed because mental health professionals recognized that the previously used definitions were wrong.

Yeah, right. Cultural marxists and self-hating anti-white Western liberals had nothing to do with it. Nooo sir.

If gender identity disorder isn't a disorder, then pedophilia isn't either.

Being trans isn't considered a disorder by APA and WHO, and pedophilia isn't related to being trans at all. Why did you feel the need to bring pedophilia into this?

[Conscentia]

Why?

I don't like referring to individuals using "they". The individual is not multiple persons.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Singular_they
It's quite an established idea. Since "they" is english's only neutral personal pronoun, using it as a singular pronoun is the only way to get around the forced gender distinction engrained in our language.

It's an idea I despise.

[Uieurnthlaal]

No Hippo, the concept of gender identity has not changed as a part of some Marxist conspiracy; it has been changed because mental health professionals recognized that the previously used definitions were wrong.

Yeah, right. Cultural marxists and self-hating anti-white Western liberals had nothing to do with it. Nooo sir.

If gender identity disorder isn't a disorder, then pedophilia isn't either.

For a moment I thought that that was a hilarious joke, until I realized that the author was hippo.

[Nevanmaa]

Nobody is 50/50 androgynous. There is always a way to classify someone as either male or female.

Germany disagrees.

Germany is a silly place anyway. They didn't even let Google Street View photograph their streets and swastikas are banned.

[Conscentia]

*25th

Who cares, in the global language of the time it will be décimo quinto.

Lies.

[Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro]

No Hippo, the concept of gender identity has not changed as a part of some Marxist conspiracy; it has been changed because mental health professionals recognized that the previously used definitions were wrong.

Yeah, right. Cultural marxists and self-hating anti-white Western liberals had nothing to do with it. Nooo sir.

If gender identity disorder isn't a disorder, then pedophilia isn't either.

Anti-white?

Go fuck yourself with a 30cm dildo, dude, seriously.

[Blasveck]

I literally can't take you seriously anymore when you reference a work of fiction written by a man who was a democratic socialist.

Someone you probable define as a "Marxist"

Cultural marxism.

Read.

Not my point.

Orwell was a democratic socialist.

And you reference his work.

And you hate the political left and anything associated with it.

Which Orwell was a part of.

[Condunum]

Germany disagrees.

Germany is a silly place anyway. They didn't even let Google Street View photograph their streets and swastikas are banned.

"WAHHHHH I DONT LIKE WHAT THEY SAY SO WHAT THEY SAY IS INVALID I AM THE ONLY PERSON THAT MATTERSSSSSSS!!!!!!" - Hippo

[Free United States]

During the discussion of Pvt. Manning the issue of pronouns and transgender issues came up. With some rather douchey members referring to Chelsea Manning as 'it'. So my question is is it acceptable to refer to someone who is transgender as 'it'?

My opinion is that it isn't acceptable.


Now lets see if we can reach a consensus on this issue faster that the Mods can.

In the case of Bradley Manning, I make exception to respecting his gender-rights since he risked the lives of our fellow servicemen.

So, short answer; don't call transgender 'it.' I, with the one exception, call transgenders by their identified gender.

[Euroslavia]

No Hippo, the concept of gender identity has not changed as a part of some Marxist conspiracy; it has been changed because mental health professionals recognized that the previously used definitions were wrong.

Yeah, right. Cultural marxists and self-hating anti-white Western liberals had nothing to do with it. Nooo sir.

If gender identity disorder isn't a disorder, then pedophilia isn't either.

*** Warned for trolling ***
The comparison is unbelievably malicious and you know it. Knock it off.

[Condunum]

Hippo, riddle me this. You accept gays, right? Well, why? Cultural marxism is what made them acceptable. You accept women, right? Why? Cultural marxism is what gave them the right to vote. You accept black people, right? Why? Cultural marxism gave them freedom. You accept anyone who isn't a while, land owning male, right? Why? YOU ARE A CULTURAL MARXIST, YOU LEFTIST PIG.

Waiting~

[The Parkus Empire]

You accept anyone who isn't a while, land owning male, right?

He does?

[Phocidaea]

Why?

I don't like referring to individuals using "they". The individual is not multiple persons.

It is for objects, and they can be singular.

FRIAR LAURENCE
Hark, how they knock! Who's there?

ANTIPHOLUS OF SYRACUSE
There's not a man I meet but doth salute me
As if I were their well-acquainted friend

"At Christmas every body invites their friends about them, and people think little of even the worst weather."

"Will no one allow me the honour of helping them? Then John, take away the Pudding, & bring the Wine."

[Tsuntion]

In the case of Bradley Manning, I make exception to respecting his gender-rights since he risked the lives of our fellow servicemen.

So, short answer; don't call transgender 'it.' I, with the one exception, call transgenders by their identified gender.

Her actions have nothing to do with her gender identity. Certainly, punish her or whatever for what she did, but she still gets basic respect as a human, including being referred to with the correct pronouns. And yes, I would still be saying this if I was one of the people she risked.

[Condunum]

You accept anyone who isn't a while, land owning male, right?

He does?

I doubt it, but it's worth asking.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

*25th

Who cares, in the global language of the time it will be décimo quinto.

VIGESIMO quinto.

Sweet Jesus.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

He does?

I doubt it, but it's worth asking.

Do people accept people in NSG now?

I thought this was the place where people tended to get at each other's throats and pretend they are against one another?

Then again, it could have changed from when I was here.

[Free United States]

In the case of Bradley Manning, I make exception to respecting his gender-rights since he risked the lives of our fellow servicemen.

So, short answer; don't call transgender 'it.' I, with the one exception, call transgenders by their identified gender.

Her actions have nothing to do with her gender identity. Certainly, punish her or whatever for what she did, but she still gets basic respect as a human, including being referred to with the correct pronouns. And yes, I would still be saying this if I was one of the people she risked.

Well, I am one of the people he risked. And the US Army does not recognize or allow gender transformation. He should have thought of that beforehand.

[Free United States]

I doubt it, but it's worth asking.

Do people accept people in NSG now?

I thought this was the place where people tended to get at each other's throats and pretend they are against one another?

Then again, it could have changed from when I was here.

It's been like that since I was first here-and I started on the Jolt Forums.

[Lost heros]

It is for objects, and they can be singular.

FRIAR LAURENCE
Hark, how they knock! Who's there?

How "some people" knock. Not singular.

ANTIPHOLUS OF SYRACUSE
There's not a man I meet but doth salute me
As if I were their well-acquainted friend

There are several men who would "bit doth solute me as if I were their well acquainted friend." Not singular.

"At Christmas every body invites their friends about them, and people think little of even the worst weather."

Everybody isn't singular in this case.

"Will no one allow me the honour of helping them? Then John, take away the Pudding, & bring the Wine."

No one is not singular in this case.

[Rocopurr]

Yeah, right. Cultural marxists and self-hating anti-white Western liberals had nothing to do with it. Nooo sir.

If gender identity disorder isn't a disorder, then pedophilia isn't either.

Being trans isn't considered a disorder by APA and WHO, and pedophilia isn't related to being trans at all. Why did you feel the need to bring pedophilia into this?

Got anything to say to this, Hippy Dippy Hip-Hop Hippo?

[Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro]

Who cares, in the global language of the time it will be décimo quinto.

VIGESIMO quinto.

Sweet Jesus.

Seems like I'm number-illiterate when hungry.

[Nevanmaa]

Hippo, riddle me this. You accept gays, right? Well, why? Cultural marxism is what made them acceptable. You accept women, right? Why? Cultural marxism is what gave them the right to vote. You accept black people, right? Why? Cultural marxism gave them freedom. You accept anyone who isn't a while, land owning male, right? Why? YOU ARE A CULTURAL MARXIST, YOU LEFTIST PIG.

Because homosexuality doesn't harm anyone, two people in a stable family are perfectly capable of raising a child. Women can make just as intelligent decisions as men can, same with blacks. Homosexuals, women and blacks are perfectly capable of participating in various areas of the society while respecting its traditions and foundations.

This is where transsexuals come in. Unlike women, blacks and homosexuals, transsexuals cannot exist as long as traditional male/divide is in place and as such they are forced to deconstruct it, which I oppose. Homosexuals, women and blacks can act within the boundaries of male/female divide. Transsexuals cannot.

This is why I support gay rights, but not transsexual rights.

[Euroslavia]

What I find funny is that Hippy here thinks it's nice to call people by what they don't want, and GID's primary treatment is gender reassignment.

Funny, how the thing he uses to back up his indefensible and barbaric beliefs actually says different from him. Poor hippy. He still can't even source his bigotry!

Let's refrain from using nicknames please, especially as a malicious way to jab at the opposing player. All in all, the general tone of this debate needs to calm down.

[Condunum]

Hippo, riddle me this. You accept gays, right? Well, why? Cultural marxism is what made them acceptable. You accept women, right? Why? Cultural marxism is what gave them the right to vote. You accept black people, right? Why? Cultural marxism gave them freedom. You accept anyone who isn't a while, land owning male, right? Why? YOU ARE A CULTURAL MARXIST, YOU LEFTIST PIG.

Because homosexuality doesn't harm anyone, two people in a stable family are perfectly capable of raising a child. Women can make just as intelligent decisions as men can, same with blacks. Homosexuals, women and blacks are perfectly capable of participating in various areas of the society while respecting its traditions and foundations.

This is where transsexuals come in. Unlike women, blacks and homosexuals, transsexuals cannot exist as long as traditional male/divide is in place and as such they are forced to deconstruct it, which I oppose. Homosexuals, women and blacks can act within the boundaries of male/female divide. Transsexuals cannot.

This is why I support gay rights, but not transsexual rights.

How do trans* folk break anything down? In what way can they not work in society that would make it fail, or even stutter? Oh, wait, they don't harm society at all. You just say they are and can never prove it.