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Should we call transgender persons 'it'

Yes
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No
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Not sure
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Postby Ifreann » Sat Sep 07, 2013 12:43 pm

Nevanmaa wrote:
The Carlisle wrote:I'm offended because that is not what I am. I'm a female, despite my birth. Gender and sex is not the same.

Once again, I don't really care. Born male, always male. I don't care about this "gender is different from sex!!" or other modern PC bullshit. I'm sorry if it offends you, but you gotta deal with it.

"I don't care what you want, the only thing that matters is what I want! My opinions are the only ones that count and my feelings are the only ones that matter! STOP OPPRESSING ME BY ACTING LIKE YOU MATTER!"
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Postby Blasveck » Sat Sep 07, 2013 12:43 pm

Conscentia wrote:
Blasveck wrote:Um....no?
Anybody who calls anybody "it" is a fucking douchebag.
We call animals "it", not people.

Humans are animals.


Dammit, Conscentia.

You know what I mean.
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Postby Rocopurr » Sat Sep 07, 2013 12:43 pm

Nevanmaa wrote:
The Carlisle wrote:I'm offended because that is not what I am. I'm a female, despite my birth. Gender and sex is not the same.

Once again, I don't really care. Born male, always male. I don't care about this "gender is different from sex!!" or other modern PC bullshit. I'm sorry if it offends you, but you gotta deal with it.

I'm pretty sure gender and sex being different isn't PC bullshit.

And no, people don't always have to deal with things that offend them.
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Postby Condunum » Sat Sep 07, 2013 12:44 pm

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Rocopurr wrote:10/10 that's pretty rude.

If my friend said that he looks very good in some piece of clothing while in reality looked awful in it, I wouldn't tell them that they look good. I'm not going to call people "she" when they're male just because it'd be polite.

That analogy fucking sucks no wonder you know nothing
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Postby Phocidaea » Sat Sep 07, 2013 12:44 pm

I will refer to anyone using any one of the pronouns "he", "she", "they", and, rarely, "if", if they request it. I will also use compounds like "he/she" also by request. There are cases where I may do so reluctantly (or "put the pronoun in quotes" if I'm really skeptical or sarcastic).

However, I will never use any made-up pronoun (i.e. other than those four) even if requested, unless people give me the same courtesy and use "nge" for me, as they often fail to do. It's in the sig!
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Postby Nevanmaa » Sat Sep 07, 2013 12:45 pm

Blasveck wrote:
Nevanmaa wrote:Once again, I don't really care. Born male, always male. I don't care about this "gender is different from sex!!" or other modern PC bullshit. I'm sorry if it offends you, but you gotta deal with it.


It's not "modern PC bullshit"

Its in the fucking dictionary.

I don't really care.

If you've got XY chromosmes and were born a man, you're gonna have to burn me with a brand until I'm going to start referring you as "she".
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Postby Rocopurr » Sat Sep 07, 2013 12:45 pm

Nevanmaa wrote:
Rocopurr wrote:10/10 that's pretty rude.

If my friend said that he looks very good in some piece of clothing while in reality looked awful in it, I wouldn't tell them that they look good. I'm not going to call people "she" when they're male just because it'd be polite.

But you should call an mtf trans* a she because she is in fact a she.
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Postby Condunum » Sat Sep 07, 2013 12:45 pm

Nevanmaa wrote:
Blasveck wrote:
It's not "modern PC bullshit"

Its in the fucking dictionary.

I don't really care.

If you've got XY chromosmes and were born a man, you're gonna have to burn me with a brand until I'm going to start referring you as "she".

So how does it feel to not be a decent human being?
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Postby Nevanmaa » Sat Sep 07, 2013 12:45 pm

Ifreann wrote:
Nevanmaa wrote:Once again, I don't really care. Born male, always male. I don't care about this "gender is different from sex!!" or other modern PC bullshit. I'm sorry if it offends you, but you gotta deal with it.

"I don't care what you want, the only thing that matters is what I want! My opinions are the only ones that count and my feelings are the only ones that matter! STOP OPPRESSING ME BY ACTING LIKE YOU MATTER!"

I'm referring to people as what they are. It's them who are having the problem.
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Postby Ifreann » Sat Sep 07, 2013 12:45 pm

Nevanmaa wrote:
Rocopurr wrote:10/10 that's pretty rude.

If my friend said that he looks very good in some piece of clothing while in reality looked awful in it, I wouldn't tell them that they look good. I'm not going to call people "she" when they're male just because it'd be polite.

"I put literally no value on other people and you all have to respect that!"
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Postby The Carlisle » Sat Sep 07, 2013 12:46 pm

Nevanmaa wrote:
The Carlisle wrote:I'm offended because that is not what I am. I'm a female, despite my birth. Gender and sex is not the same.

Once again, I don't really care. Born male, always male. I don't care about this "gender is different from sex!!" or other modern PC bullshit. I'm sorry if it offends you, but you gotta deal with it.

Stop lying. You are not sorry for me. You have no sympathy towards transgender people at all. Admit it, your a transphobe.
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Postby Condunum » Sat Sep 07, 2013 12:46 pm

Nevanmaa wrote:
Ifreann wrote:"I don't care what you want, the only thing that matters is what I want! My opinions are the only ones that count and my feelings are the only ones that matter! STOP OPPRESSING ME BY ACTING LIKE YOU MATTER!"

I'm referring to people as what they are. It's them who are having the problem.

Are you implying transgender people are ill?
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Postby Nevanmaa » Sat Sep 07, 2013 12:46 pm

Condunum wrote:
Nevanmaa wrote:I don't really care.

If you've got XY chromosmes and were born a man, you're gonna have to burn me with a brand until I'm going to start referring you as "she".

So how does it feel to not be a decent human being?

I'm actually a pretty decent human being. Not submitting myself to cultural marxist PC bullshit does not make me a bad person.
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Postby Blasveck » Sat Sep 07, 2013 12:46 pm

Conscentia wrote:
Blasveck wrote:Dammit, Conscentia.
You know what I mean.

Do I, sir?


I hope so.

Referring to people as "it", in English at least, is rude.
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Postby Nevanmaa » Sat Sep 07, 2013 12:46 pm

Condunum wrote:
Nevanmaa wrote:I'm referring to people as what they are. It's them who are having the problem.

Are you implying transgender people are ill?

Yes, they suffer from gender identity disorder.
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Postby Conscentia » Sat Sep 07, 2013 12:47 pm

Nevanmaa wrote:
Blasveck wrote:
It's not "modern PC bullshit"

Its in the fucking dictionary.

I don't really care.

If you've got XY chromosmes and were born a man, you're gonna have to burn me with a brand until I'm going to start referring you as "she".

What about the intersex?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intersex

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Postby Freelanderness » Sat Sep 07, 2013 12:47 pm

Unless you see fit to call other human beings "it", the term should have no more applicability in describing trans* persons.
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Postby Blasveck » Sat Sep 07, 2013 12:47 pm

Nevanmaa wrote:
Condunum wrote:So how does it feel to not be a decent human being?

I'm actually a pretty decent human being. Not submitting myself to cultural marxist PC bullshit does not make me a bad person.


You know, I would take you more seriously if you didn't say completely fucking stupid shit like "cultural Marxist"
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Postby Condunum » Sat Sep 07, 2013 12:47 pm

Nevanmaa wrote:
Condunum wrote:So how does it feel to not be a decent human being?

I'm actually a pretty decent bad human being. Not submitting myself to cultural marxist PC bullshit accepting others and being polite does not make me a bad person.

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Postby Condunum » Sat Sep 07, 2013 12:47 pm

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Condunum wrote:Are you implying transgender people are ill?

Yes, they suffer from gender identity disorder.

so you don't understand what GID is, then?
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Postby Nevanmaa » Sat Sep 07, 2013 12:48 pm

Conscentia wrote:What about the intersex?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intersex

An extremely rare exception. I refer to them with the gender they were assigned to.
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Postby Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro » Sat Sep 07, 2013 12:48 pm

Nevanmaa wrote:
Condunum wrote:So how does it feel to not be a decent human being?

I'm actually a pretty decent human being. Not submitting myself to cultural marxist PC bullshit does not make me a bad person.

They should make summer campings for these rich kids in the third world, so that they learn basic life values and skills instead of repeating this fucking bullshit over and over everytime they got an alert "OMG they are trying to change the old ways so that we lose priviledge!!!!".
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Postby Nevanmaa » Sat Sep 07, 2013 12:48 pm

Condunum wrote:
Nevanmaa wrote:Yes, they suffer from gender identity disorder.

so you don't understand what GID is, then?

It's a disorder, that's enough for me.
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Postby Lost heros » Sat Sep 07, 2013 12:48 pm

Auremena wrote:I prefer "it" in my current state of gender confusion

Than I will call you "it", as long as that's what you want.
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