Fake geek girls-male insecurity or icky fandom ruiners?

[The Parkus Empire]

Or maybe, like any other hobby as it should be treated as, it's okay to say "I'm a Trekkie" just as sports fans call themselves whatever team they support.

I'm just saying, you shouldn't call yourself a Trekkie if you don't even know who Captain Kirk is.

No true Scotsman bullshit.

[Purpelia]

I'm just saying, you shouldn't call yourself a Trekkie if you don't even know who Captain Kirk is.

No true Scotsman bullshit.

No he does have a point. A trekkie that can't name Kirk, Spock and maybe MC Coy is kind of like a christian that can't name Jesus.
I mean not knowing Picard I can understand. He is like somewhere around the importance grade of Peter and Paul.
And Janeway or Archer are about the level of the other Marry. (not the virgin)

But Kirk is bleeding Jesus.

[Thurask]

Kirk, sock and maybe MC Coy

That sounds like a terrible and an awesome Star Trek spinoff, both at the same time.

[Big Jim P]

No true Scotsman bullshit.

No he does have a point. A trekkie that can't name Kirk, sock and maybe MC Coy is kind of like a christian that can't name Jesus.

"sock"?

[Neo Art]

I would not be surprised.



I meant nobody here was saying it. I'm aware of idiots outside this forum who say it.

I have encountered fake geeks, men and women.

What I'm saying is that you shouldn't call yourself an X-men fan if you have no clue who Wolverine is.

Why, though? Maybe you just saw X-Men: First Class and really liked it. Maybe you obsessively read X-Men comics in the 70s and haven't really kept up with the fandom since. Those people sound like X-Men fans to me, and there's no reason they'd know anything about Wolverine. I just don't see the point of having minimum standards for who gets to "claim" a fandom. If someone calls himself an X-Men fan and doesn't know who Wolverine is, rather than scoffing at him, why not just say, "Hey, you should check out one of the many X-Men comics/shows/movies involving Wolverine, because he's a pretty cool character"?

Funny enough, I was thinking of the "First Class" example, and it's a good one. Wolverine isn't in the movie AT ALL, except for a brief, unidentified cameo (which, is a fucking hilarious scene if you get it, but there's absolutly no reason anyone would unless they knew who Hugh Jackman played in prior movies AND understood Wolverine had a very long lifespan, it was a fan toss)

Liking comic books isn't fucking "srs business". It's not someone's job. It's not like if people who call themselves doctors who really aren't. People tend to die when that happens.

I can not, for the life of me, fathom why anyone would ever, in the slightest little bit, have a problem with how certain people identify as fans, if they don't meet special snowflake arbitary criteria.

[Dakini]

Dont get me wrong, I find fake geeks really annoying too,

Why? It's no skin off your back or however that expression goes.

its simply that calling out girls specificlly is rather sexist.

Of course it is. If you didn't think that "geek culture" had a problem with misogyny then you haven't been paying attention in the last two years.

I personally feel that a person should have to at least read textbooks for fun to consider themselves geeks.

I think you're confusing "geeks" and "nerds" here.

[Nailed to the Perch]

I have nothing against girl gamers or geek girls.

"girl gamers" screaming "LOOK AT ME I'M FEMALE AND I PLAY GAMES LOOK AT ME LOOK AT ME GIVE ME ATTENTION TEE HEE HEE I'M SUCH A GEEK YOU SILLY BOYS GIVE ME ATTENTION" are a whole different matter.

Oh god, I agree with Hippo. My whole life is collapsing in front of my eyes...

I DON'T KNOW WHO I AM ANYMORE

Based on this context, I'd guess "a somewhat insecure teenage boy."

I've gamed all my life. I have literally never encountered a woman screaming, "LOOK AT ME I'M FEMALE AND I PLAY GAMES LOOK AT ME LOOK AT ME GIVE ME ATTENTION TEE HEE HEE I'M SUCH A GEEK YOU SILLY BOYS GIVE ME ATTENTION." I have encountered a lot of insecure teenage boys who treat any woman playing games without actively trying to hide her gender as if that's what she's doing.

[Slafstopia]

No he does have a point. A trekkie that can't name Kirk, sock and maybe MC Coy is kind of like a christian that can't name Jesus.

"sock"?

"Live long and keep your feetsies warm."

[Purpelia]

No he does have a point. A trekkie that can't name Kirk, sock and maybe MC Coy is kind of like a christian that can't name Jesus.

"sock"?

Bloody spellchecker! I hate the god dam thing. Years of using MSWord have conditioned me to automatically fix without reading. But that one does not suck.

[Hexhamshire]

What I'm saying is that you shouldn't call yourself an X-men fan if you have no clue who Wolverine is.

Why not?

Who are you to dictate what meets the criteria of "fan"?

IMHO a true fan or anyone even worthy of the term geek or nerd would educate the person involved rather than rant about "fakery"

[Big Jim P]

"sock"?

Bloody spellchecker! I hate the god dam thing. Years of using MSWord have conditioned me to automatically fix without reading.

MC Coy was pretty funny too.

[The Parkus Empire]

No true Scotsman bullshit.

No he does have a point. A trekkie that can't name Kirk, sock and maybe MC Coy is kind of like a christian that can't name Jesus.
I mean not knowing Picard I can understand. He is like somewhere around the importance grade of Peter and Paul.
And Janeway or Archer are about the level of the other Marry. (not the virgin)

But Kirk is bleeding Jesus.

Christian is such a flexible concept these days that I really wouldn't object to that.

The idea of Kirk being Star Trek Jesus is pretty ludicrous. TNG was, well, "lightyears" ahead of TOS.

[Vareiln]

Oh god, I agree with Hippo. My whole life is collapsing in front of my eyes...

I DON'T KNOW WHO I AM ANYMORE

Based on this context, I'd guess "a somewhat insecure teenage boy."

I've gamed all my life. I have literally never encountered a woman screaming, "LOOK AT ME I'M FEMALE AND I PLAY GAMES LOOK AT ME LOOK AT ME GIVE ME ATTENTION TEE HEE HEE I'M SUCH A GEEK YOU SILLY BOYS GIVE ME ATTENTION." I have encountered a lot of insecure teenage boys who treat any woman playing games without actively trying to hide her gender as if that's what she's doing.

I see teenage boys do that all the fuckig time.

[Big Jim P]

Oh god, I agree with Hippo. My whole life is collapsing in front of my eyes...

I DON'T KNOW WHO I AM ANYMORE

Based on this context, I'd guess "a somewhat insecure teenage boy."

I've gamed all my life. I have literally never encountered a woman screaming, "LOOK AT ME I'M FEMALE AND I PLAY GAMES LOOK AT ME LOOK AT ME GIVE ME ATTENTION TEE HEE HEE I'M SUCH A GEEK YOU SILLY BOYS GIVE ME ATTENTION." I have encountered a lot of insecure teenage boys who treat any woman playing games without actively trying to hide her gender as if that's what she's doing.

You gotta realize that most of these boys are really not used to the presence of females.

[Nailed to the Perch]

Bloody spellchecker! I hate the god dam thing. Years of using MSWord have conditioned me to automatically fix without reading.

MC Coy was pretty funny too.

Yo, I'm MC Coy and I'm here to say, I'm a doctor, Jim, not a rapper...hey.

[Slafstopia]

Oh god, I agree with Hippo. My whole life is collapsing in front of my eyes...

I DON'T KNOW WHO I AM ANYMORE

Based on this context, I'd guess "a somewhat insecure teenage boy."

I've gamed all my life. I have literally never encountered a woman screaming, "LOOK AT ME I'M FEMALE AND I PLAY GAMES LOOK AT ME LOOK AT ME GIVE ME ATTENTION TEE HEE HEE I'M SUCH A GEEK YOU SILLY BOYS GIVE ME ATTENTION." I have encountered a lot of insecure teenage boys who treat any woman playing games without actively trying to hide her gender as if that's what she's doing.

I have. Once. I never said they were a majority or even a substantial portion. I know plenty of perfectly awesome girl gamers and geek girls and all that stuff.

But the one person I met who was like that was rather annoying. It could have just been anomalous of course.

[Vareiln]

Why not?

Who are you to dictate what meets the criteria of "fan"?

IMHO a true fan or anyone even worthy of the term geek or nerd would educate the person involved rather than rant about "fakery"

THISx1000
Let's say I met someone who likes Wolves in the Throne Room. Rather than call them fake or poser, I'd instead try to introduce them to better bands.

[Big Jim P]

No he does have a point. A trekkie that can't name Kirk, sock and maybe MC Coy is kind of like a christian that can't name Jesus.
I mean not knowing Picard I can understand. He is like somewhere around the importance grade of Peter and Paul.
And Janeway or Archer are about the level of the other Marry. (not the virgin)

But Kirk is bleeding Jesus.

Christian is such a flexible concept these days that I really wouldn't object to that.

The idea of Kirk being Star Trek Jesus is pretty ludicrous. TNG was, well, "lightyears" ahead of TOS.

Maybe once they started trying something new instead of re-hashing TOS stories.

[Fartsniffage]

No he does have a point. A trekkie that can't name Kirk, sock and maybe MC Coy is kind of like a christian that can't name Jesus.
I mean not knowing Picard I can understand. He is like somewhere around the importance grade of Peter and Paul.
And Janeway or Archer are about the level of the other Marry. (not the virgin)

But Kirk is bleeding Jesus.

Christian is such a flexible concept these days that I really wouldn't object to that.

The idea of Kirk being Star Trek Jesus is pretty ludicrous. TNG was, well, "lightyears" ahead of TOS.

The "Kirk v Picard" argument.

It's like the Godwin for any discussion involving geekdom. Hah.

[Neo Art]

Oh god, I agree with Hippo. My whole life is collapsing in front of my eyes...

I DON'T KNOW WHO I AM ANYMORE

Based on this context, I'd guess "a somewhat insecure teenage boy."

I've gamed all my life. I have literally never encountered a woman screaming, "LOOK AT ME I'M FEMALE AND I PLAY GAMES LOOK AT ME LOOK AT ME GIVE ME ATTENTION TEE HEE HEE I'M SUCH A GEEK YOU SILLY BOYS GIVE ME ATTENTION." I have encountered a lot of insecure teenage boys who treat any woman playing games without actively trying to hide her gender as if that's what she's doing.

I find the arguments about "fake geek girls" to be rather akin to the arguments against homosexuals. You hear a lot about how those damned fags are throwing it in our faces by...you know, EXISTING. He's HOLDING HANDS WITH ANOTHER MAN! He's just RUBBING OUR FACES IN IT!

The primary complaint I've seen about these "gamer girls wanting attention" is basically...she refuses to hide the fact that she exists. She flaunts the fact that she both palys video games AND posesses a vagina she's not willing to spread wide for whatever fat, sweaty inexperienced slob wants to take a go at her.

[Purpelia]

Christian is such a flexible concept these days that I really wouldn't object to that.

The idea of Kirk being Star Trek Jesus is pretty ludicrous. TNG was, well, "lightyears" ahead of TOS.

That's not the point. Kirk is the Jesus of Trek in the sense that he is the progenitor prophet, the guy that was the face and personification of it for a very long time. Even people who don't like his series should at the very least know of him in the sense of knowing where the whole thing came from.

[Vareiln]

Based on this context, I'd guess "a somewhat insecure teenage boy."

I've gamed all my life. I have literally never encountered a woman screaming, "LOOK AT ME I'M FEMALE AND I PLAY GAMES LOOK AT ME LOOK AT ME GIVE ME ATTENTION TEE HEE HEE I'M SUCH A GEEK YOU SILLY BOYS GIVE ME ATTENTION." I have encountered a lot of insecure teenage boys who treat any woman playing games without actively trying to hide her gender as if that's what she's doing.

I have. Once. I never said they were a majority or even a substantial portion. I know plenty of perfectly awesome girl gamers and geek girls and all that stuff.

But the one person I met who was like that was rather annoying. It could have just been anomalous of course.

Try "was anomalous" rather than "could have been anomalous".

[Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro]

Based on this context, I'd guess "a somewhat insecure teenage boy."

I've gamed all my life. I have literally never encountered a woman screaming, "LOOK AT ME I'M FEMALE AND I PLAY GAMES LOOK AT ME LOOK AT ME GIVE ME ATTENTION TEE HEE HEE I'M SUCH A GEEK YOU SILLY BOYS GIVE ME ATTENTION." I have encountered a lot of insecure teenage boys who treat any woman playing games without actively trying to hide her gender as if that's what she's doing.

You gotta realize that most of these boys are really not used to the presence of females.

I am honestly not either, but at least I try to be gentle, considerate and unprejudiced.

Treating differently someone, to the point of socially ostracizing for not "respecting" their "defined set of behaviors" given for having biological set X is about as stupid as racism or classism. But of course Hippo and the likes will deny that it is what they are doing, sadly.

[Ifreann]

No true Scotsman bullshit.

No he does have a point. A trekkie that can't name Kirk, sock and maybe MC Coy is kind of like a christian that can't name Jesus.
I mean not knowing Picard I can understand. He is like somewhere around the importance grade of Peter and Paul.
And Janeway or Archer are about the level of the other Marry. (not the virgin)

But Kirk is bleeding Jesus.

I feel I'm safe in asserting that there is more Star Trek without Kirk than there is with Kirk at this point. There is whole reams of Star Trek someone could watch and think to themselves "That was great, I really like this Star Trek thing" without any exposure to Kirk. What's the problem with that? To echo the Bat lawyer, who are you to tell those people that they're not really fans? By what authority do you set out the rules for what makes a fan?

[Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro]

Based on this context, I'd guess "a somewhat insecure teenage boy."

I've gamed all my life. I have literally never encountered a woman screaming, "LOOK AT ME I'M FEMALE AND I PLAY GAMES LOOK AT ME LOOK AT ME GIVE ME ATTENTION TEE HEE HEE I'M SUCH A GEEK YOU SILLY BOYS GIVE ME ATTENTION." I have encountered a lot of insecure teenage boys who treat any woman playing games without actively trying to hide her gender as if that's what she's doing.

I find the arguments about "fake geek girls" to be rather akin to the arguments against homosexuals. You hear a lot about how those damned fags are throwing it in our faces by...you know, EXISTING. He's HOLDING HANDS WITH ANOTHER MAN! He's just RUBBING OUR FACES IN IT!

The primary complaint I've seen about these "gamer girls wanting attention" is basically...she refuses to hide the fact that she exists. She flaunts the fact that she both palys video games AND posesses a vagina she's not willing to spread wide for whatever fat, sweaty inexperienced slob wants to take a go at her.

Do you realize guys who work out more tend to be more sexist and chauvinist on average and that male virgin shaming is as wrong as slut-shaming, right?