Does equality ever go too far?

[Liriena]

Something that I have yet to see happen in the United States or any other nation in the Western hemisphere.

I'm saying that if it were to happen, that would be taking it too far.

If a group were to receive special treatment or another group's human rights were to be violated for the sake of the group in question, it would not be, by definition, equality. It would be a direct violation of the principle of equality under the law.

[The Union of the West]

In my opinion, equality goes to far when a group gets special treatment or when something is taken from someone in order to promote equality.

Somehow people have a hard time understanding that setting people to unequal positions is not equal.

I fail to see your point here.

[South American Indochina]

Really, the only private place in any public restroom are the toilet cubicles. Impeach urinals.

Yet most stalls have these huge holes that let people be able to crawl under them and let people look down on people using the toilet.

Impeach urinals. Legalize stalls. Peeking is theft.

Make the holes so small their heads will not fit through.

[The Union of the West]

I'm saying that if it were to happen, that would be taking it too far.

If a group were to receive special treatment or another group's human rights were to be violated for the sake of the group in question, it would not be, by definition, equality. It would be a direct violation of the principle of equality under the law.

This.

[Des-Bal]

Well, then I hereby scold Lost Heros for including you in that question, since it seems to have utterly polluted the argument at hand.

Honestly, though...are you willing to address the issue of transphobia and the danger it poses to force trans people to come out by making it official policy to restrict them to bathrooms designated to their
biological sex from birth?

Meh. I don't particularly care but unisex bathrooms seem like a better solution. While I'm sure everyone here is capable of pulling up a few cherry picked pictures to demonstrate the opposite I can generally tell when someone is dressing as a different sex unintentional "coming out" sort of comes with the territory.

[South American Indochina]

Somehow people have a hard time understanding that setting people to unequal positions is not equal.

I fail to see your point here.

I was referring to you, a person who equated 'perfect' equality with affirmative action.

[Leningrad Union]

What's the problem with the handicapped? It's not like they want to be handicapped.

I have nothing against them

[South American Indochina]

What's the problem with the handicapped? It's not like they want to be handicapped.

I have nothing against them

Good that you changed your mind since the OP.

[Des-Bal]

Good that you changed your mind since the OP.

Are you saying that it is not possible to have legitimate complaints about the handicapped.?

[The Union of the West]

I fail to see your point here.

I was referring to you, a person who equated 'perfect' equality with affirmative action.

Equality=Good
Affirmative Action=Bad
I wasn't equating them.

[Liriena]

Well, then I hereby scold Lost Heros for including you in that question, since it seems to have utterly polluted the argument at hand.

Honestly, though...are you willing to address the issue of transphobia and the danger it poses to force trans people to come out by making it official policy to restrict them to bathrooms designated to their
biological sex from birth?

Meh. I don't particularly care but unisex bathrooms seem like a better solution. While I'm sure everyone here is capable of pulling up a few cherry picked pictures to demonstrate the opposite I can generally tell when someone is dressing as a different sex gender unintentional "coming out" sort of comes with the territory.

Have you never heard of HRT or SRS?

And since you mentioned it...here, take a cherry-picked picture!

[Liriena]

I was referring to you, a person who equated 'perfect' equality with affirmative action.

Equality=Good
Affirmative Action=Bad
I wasn't equating them.

Affirmative action is not necessarily bad, at least as a short-term solution to rampant ethnic, sexual or religious discrimination.

[South American Indochina]

Good that you changed your mind since the OP.

Are you saying that it is not possible to have legitimate complaints about the handicapped.?

Complaints which became invalid when they were challenged by other nations and overturned in the process.

[Des-Bal]

Have you never heard of HRT or SRS?

And since you mentioned it...here, take a cherry-picked picture!

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Yes I have, I've heard of both, I've witnessed both and I really don't think they're as perfect as people have convinced themselves they are. I know transgendered people and more often than not I can tell.

[The Union of the West]

Equality=Good
Affirmative Action=Bad
I wasn't equating them.

Affirmative action is not necessarily bad, at least as a short-term solution to rampant ethnic, sexual or religious discrimination.

I agree if it is rampant (such as the early to mid-1900's) then it is necessary, but not in small, isolated, or minor situations.

[Des-Bal]

Complaints which became invalid when they were challenged by other nations and overturned in the process.

Nope. If a person is loud during a test you can complain about that. If a person is loud during a test because they're handicapped that complaint should be no less valid.

[Liriena]

Have you never heard of HRT or SRS?

And since you mentioned it...here, take a cherry-picked picture!

(Image)

Yes I have, I've heard of both, I've witnessed both and I really don't think they're as perfect as people have convinced themselves they are. I know transgendered people and more often than not I can tell.

Regardless, it is not anyone's right but the person's to come out as transgender or not.
Keep in mind that this was not my only complaint towards the concept of forcing transgender people into another gender's restrooms.

[Des-Bal]

Regardless, it is not anyone's right but the person's to come out as transgender or not.
Keep in mind that this was not my only complaint towards the concept of forcing transgender people into another gender's restrooms.

That's the complaint you asked me to address.

[Liriena]

Regardless, it is not anyone's right but the person's to come out as transgender or not.
Keep in mind that this was not my only complaint towards the concept of forcing transgender people into another gender's restrooms.

That's the complaint you asked me to address.

If by "addressing" you mean saying that you can tell when someone is transgender anyway, then no, not really.

Here, let me quote myself:

Honestly, though...are you willing to address the issue of transphobia and the danger it poses to force trans people to come out by making it official policy to restrict them to bathrooms designated to their biological sex from birth?

The "coming out" part was not the core problem.

[Des-Bal]

The "coming out" part was not the core problem.

Yes it was, it took up most of the post. If you're asking me to address transphobia then yes it exists much like sexism ,racism, rocks, religious intolerance, jingoism, and smaller rocks,

[South American Indochina]

I was referring to you, a person who equated 'perfect' equality with affirmative action.

Equality=Good
Affirmative Action=Bad
I wasn't equating them.

You did so here.

equality goes to far when a group gets special treatment

Also, you seem to be one of those 'taxation are theft' -folks, am I right?

or when something is taken from someone in order to promote equality.

Anti-equality because taxation. Oy wey.

[Liriena]

The "coming out" part was not the core problem.

Yes it was, it took up most of the post. If you're asking me to address transphobia then yes it exists much like sexism ,racism, rocks, religious intolerance, jingoism, and smaller rocks,

And you see no inherent physical or psychological danger posed to transgender people when transphobia is combined with being forced into another gender's restrooms?

[The Union of the West]

Equality=Good
Affirmative Action=Bad
I wasn't equating them.

You did so here.

equality goes to far when a group gets special treatment

Also, you seem to be one of those 'taxation are theft' -folks, am I right?

or when something is taken from someone in order to promote equality.

Anti-equality because taxation. Oy wey.

Taxation isn't theft, however redistribution of wealth is.
But I was more referring to rights than to money.

[Des-Bal]

And you see no inherent physical or psychological danger posed to transgender people when transphobia is combined with being forced into another gender's restrooms?

No more than comes from the intermingling of confined spaces and racism, sexism, religious intolerance, or jingoism.

[Norstal]

Does equality ever go too far?

For example:
Special needs and handicapped kids at public schools possibly being a distraction.
Transgender students using their chosen gender's bathroom.
The fact that you can make fun of any race you want, but if you say a thing about black people, you are toast.

I personally believe that racism is unacceptable in all forms even against "crackas", but still wrong against blacks. I'm neutral about the transgender bathroom situation. When I was in middle school the special needs students did distract me, all they did was walk around the school all day and it bothered me during a test. That isn't the main reason I was frustrated, I thought that they needed some sort of education besides walking around the school.

What do you think?

Liberty, security, and equality must be all in balance. Too much of one of them and it can be bad.

But your O.P is utterly stupid. This is not the result of too much equality. The result of too much equality is when no one can oppose a more powerful force because everyone is equally weak. Direct Democracy is an example of too much equality. Affirmative action, civil rights laws, and all of these does not even get close to "too much equality."