Does equality ever go too far?

[Liriena]

So...send trans girls to men's restrooms? Brilliant!

Why not?

Let's see...What do you think could happen if you sent a trans girl into a men's restroom? Specially in, say, a particularly conservative area?

[Des-Bal]

Because they will look like girls, act like girls, and be checked out like girls are.

And?

[Des-Bal]

Let's see...What do you think could happen if you sent a trans girl into a men's restroom? Specially in, say, a particularly conservative area?

That sounds like a lack of faith in men.

[Lost heros]

Because they will look like girls, act like girls, and be checked out like girls are.

Until the boys find out she isn't an "actual girl."

Then they will make fun of her, bully her, and essentially make life for her unbearable.

[Lydenburg]

Equality goes too far when, in order to redress theoretical disadvantages once suffered by one group or another, you begin pushing things like affirmative action to such an extreme that it is to the detriment of the nation.

[Ifreann]

So...send trans girls to men's restrooms? Brilliant!

Why not?

Because it's the men's restroom and she's not a man. Duh.

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Let's see...What do you think could happen if you sent a trans girl into a men's restroom? Specially in, say, a particularly conservative area?

That sounds like a lack of faith in men.

Conservatives, rather.

[Lithosano]

Because they will look like girls, act like girls, and be checked out like girls are.

And?

Wait just a fucking minute. You're against trans* women using women's restrooms because you're worried they'll oggle the ladies, but you're fine with men oggling a trans* women?

[Des-Bal]

Wait just a fucking minute. You're against trans* women using women's restrooms because you're worried they'll oggle the ladies, but you're fine with men oggling a trans* women?

Am I? I wasn't aware. I'm against the segregation of bathrooms by gender, but people don't bring out their real objections until you take a position that offends their sensibilities.

[Des-Bal]

Conservatives, rather.

But you're not worried about conservative women, clearly being male is the sticking point.

[Ifreann]

Wait just a fucking minute. You're against trans* women using women's restrooms because you're worried they'll oggle the ladies, but you're fine with men oggling a trans* women?

Am I? I wasn't aware. I'm against the segregation of bathrooms by gender, but people don't bring out their real objections until you take a position that offends their sensibilities.

...sounds like trolling, almost.

[Liriena]

Because they will look like girls, act like girls, and be checked out like girls are.

Until the boys find out she isn't an "actual girl."

Which would pretty much be the instant she walks into said restroom if this became official policy, thus making it even more dangerous of a policy, since it would force trans students who have already transitioned to come out as trans the moment they enter a restroom, even if they do not wish to tell anyone that their biological sex at birth was a different one.

[Lithosano]

Wait just a fucking minute. You're against trans* women using women's restrooms because you're worried they'll oggle the ladies, but you're fine with men oggling a trans* women?

Am I? I wasn't aware. I'm against the segregation of bathrooms by gender, but people don't bring out their real objections until you take a position that offends their sensibilities.

If that isn't the case then my apologies. Your name got mixed up with the names of transphobes who are honestly OK with that.

[Lost heros]

Because they will look like girls, act like girls, and be checked out like girls are.

And?

Use your imagination. Just picture it. You and a bunch of other men are going to the when a girl, make-up, dress, the whole 9 yards. What do you think is going to happen?

[Des-Bal]

...sounds like trolling, almost.

Trolling is saying something you don't believe just to make people mad. I never did that. I asked people to justify their beliefs.

[Des-Bal]

Use your imagination. Just picture it. You and a bunch of other men are going to the when a girl, make-up, dress, the whole 9 yards. What do you think is going to happen?

So you're saying the only thing keeping men from raping women is a lack of opportunity.

[Liriena]

Let's see...What do you think could happen if you sent a trans girl into a men's restroom? Specially in, say, a particularly conservative area?

That sounds like a lack of faith in men.

Not really.

[Petrovsegratsk]

Everything can go 'too far'.

[Des-Bal]

Not really.

Details?

[Ifreann]

...sounds like trolling, almost.

Trolling is saying something you don't believe just to make people mad. I never did that. I asked people to justify their beliefs.

Which is why I said 'like' and 'almost'.

[United commonwealth of ayrshire]

Does equality ever go too far?

For example:
Special needs and handicapped kids at public schools possibly being a distraction.
Transgender students using their chosen gender's bathroom.
The fact that you can make fun of any race you want, but if you say a thing about black people, you are toast.

I personally believe that racism is unacceptable in all forms even against "crackas", but still wrong against blacks. I'm neutral about the transgender bathroom situation. When I was in middle school the special needs students did distract me, all they did was walk around the school all day and it bothered me during a test. That isn't the main reason I was frustrated, I thought that they needed some sort of education besides walking around the school.

What do you think?

Well they're not exactly "equality" are they?

[Lithosano]

Use your imagination. Just picture it. You and a bunch of other men are going to the when a girl, make-up, dress, the whole 9 yards. What do you think is going to happen?

So you're saying the only thing keeping men from raping women is a lack of opportunity.

No, I don't think so. I'm more afraid of a trans* woman getting attacked or murdered because they're trans*.

[Des-Bal]

Which is why I said 'like' and 'almost'.

So water is almost like mercury.

[Liriena]

Use your imagination. Just picture it. You and a bunch of other men are going to the when a girl, make-up, dress, the whole 9 yards. What do you think is going to happen?

So you're saying the only thing keeping men from raping women is a lack of opportunity.

It is a well-established fact that rape is often a crime of opportunity. But rape is not the only concern.
Transphobia is rampant, and trans people already have high suicide rates as it is. Forcing trans girls to go to restrooms that are not meant for their own gender is humilliating, and leaves them exposed to transphobic harrassment, abuse and assault.

[Des-Bal]

No, I don't think so. I'm more afraid of a trans* woman getting attacked or murdered because they're trans*.

There are several reasons I'll attack someone none involve that persons gender identity.

[Farnhamia]

...sounds like trolling, almost.

Trolling is saying something you don't believe just to make people mad. I never did that. I asked people to justify their beliefs.

Whether or not you believe what you post is irrelevant.

Trolling is defined as posts that are made with the aim of angering people. (like 'ALL JEWS ARE [insert vile comment here]' for example). Someone disagreeing with you does not equate to trolling. Intent is incredibly important and will be judged by the moderators to the best of their abilities. Disagreements are expected and conducting yourself in a civil manner is ideal.