"Under God" in the Pledge of Allegiance

[Conservative Idealism]

We should remove the entire pledge.

Agreed. It's a statement of conformity to a state, and is not truly patriotic.

[Lamplight Caverns]

We should remove the entire pledge.

[Trackeendy]

In my opinion, "under god" should be in there

[Mbone]

We should remove the entire pledge.

[Shaggai]

But they don't worship the true God. So it's all okay.

Christians and Muslims both worship the ''God'' of Abraham. So it's not okay.

No, my point is that many Christians don't consider Muslims to worship the same god. It was a satire of that idea.

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But they don't worship the true God. So it's all okay.

So, wait, what about when Muslim students recite the pledge? CONFUSED I AM!

What Muslim students? There are no Muslims in America.

[Genivaria]

In my opinion, "under god" should be in there

Why? What possible reason should such an exclusionary statement be in there?

[The Land of Truth]

Boy are Christians gonna be pissed when they die and find out it was just one big episode of Punk'd, all along.

Wait...

Ashton Kutcher is God?

Oh, have you not heard the good news, brother?

[Arumdaum]

We should remove the entire pledge.

So each morning, they raise the flag, the whole student body is assembled. Everyone salutes and says "I ain't saying nuffing."?

Why should children be pledging their allegiance to the state, anyway?

[Arumdaum]

So each morning, they raise the flag, the whole student body is assembled. Everyone salutes and says "I ain't saying nuffing."?

No, they wouldn't do anything at all. They actually do that at your school?

Yeah, same with my school. The flag's just always kept up and no one cares about it, I think.

[The Land of Truth]

No, they wouldn't do anything at all. They actually do that at your school?

Yeah, same with my school. The flag's just always kept up and no one cares about it, I think.

We just say it third period during 3NTV--our school's TV network. That is, whenever anyone notices it's even on.

[Bottle]

In my opinion, "under god" should be in there

Why? What possible reason should such an exclusionary statement be in there?

It provides an opportunity to teach students the meaning of "irony." I mean come on, how much more hilarious can you get than inserting the deeply divisive phrase "under god" right before "indivisible" in the Pledge?

[Divair]

In my opinion, "under god" should be in there

Why do you hate the Constitution?

[Vazdania]

We should remove the entire pledge.

Agreed. It's a statement of conformity to a state, and is not truly patriotic.

Agreed.

[Vazdania]

In my opinion, "under god" should be in there

Its totally constitutional.

[Imperializt Russia]

Why? What possible reason should such an exclusionary statement be in there?

It provides an opportunity to teach students the meaning of "irony." I mean come on, how much more hilarious can you get than inserting the deeply divisive phrase "under god" right before "indivisible" in the Pledge?

Would that strictly be ironic though?
"You can't fight in here! This is the War Room!" is comically ironic. Putting a divisive phrase immediately after "indivisible" merely sounds like being thick.

[Salandriagado]

Remove it all, especially the "under God" bit.

Also, why to a flag?

The flag is typically the embodiment of the nation and what it stands for.

The US flag, for example, contains the fifty states of the Union and has thirteen stripes signifying some struggle or other.
The flag of the United Kingdom is an amalgam of the flags of Northern Ireland, Scotland and England.

And yet nobody in the UK would even consider taking an oath to a flag. They're taken to the crown, if anything. It's pretty much just the US that has this weird obsession with its flag.

[Salandriagado]

We should remove the entire pledge.

So each morning, they raise the flag, the whole student body is assembled. Everyone salutes and says "I ain't saying nuffing."?

Or you could just not bother with the whole ridiculous ceremony.

[Warda]

The flag is typically the embodiment of the nation and what it stands for.

The US flag, for example, contains the fifty states of the Union and has thirteen stripes signifying some struggle or other.
The flag of the United Kingdom is an amalgam of the flags of Northern Ireland, Scotland and England.

And yet nobody in the UK would even consider taking an oath to a flag. They're taken to the crown, if anything. It's pretty much just the US that has this weird obsession with its flag.

Because we don't have a monarch?

[Ashihara no Nakatsukuni]

So each morning, they raise the flag, the whole student body is assembled. Everyone salutes and says "I ain't saying nuffing."?

Why should children be pledging their allegiance to the state, anyway?

Because the State is never wrong, and how else will your show your patriotism? By voting and helping in your community? Nonsense!

[Genivaria]

Why should children be pledging their allegiance to the state, anyway?

Because the State is never wrong, and how else will your show your patriotism? By voting and helping in your community? Nonsense!

Mindless patriotism without understanding Civic Virtue is a terrible idea.

[Ashihara no Nakatsukuni]

Because the State is never wrong, and how else will your show your patriotism? By voting and helping in your community? Nonsense!

Mindless patriotism without understanding Civic Virtue is a terrible idea.

Oh please, the best thing for the people is to blindly follow the State's decisions. What could possibly go wrong?

[Salandriagado]

And yet nobody in the UK would even consider taking an oath to a flag. They're taken to the crown, if anything. It's pretty much just the US that has this weird obsession with its flag.

Because we don't have a monarch?

Exactly the same thing could be said about France, or Russia, or India, or Germany, and indeed every other country for which I am aware of the standard process for this thing, with the word "crown" variously swapped for "nation", "republic", "constitution", "people" or something else appropriate. Not the flag. My favourite is the Singaporean version:

We, the citizens of Singapore,
pledge ourselves as one united people,
regardless of race, language or religion,
to build a democratic society
based on justice and equality
so as to achieve happiness, prosperity and
progress for our nation.

[Aeken]

It shouldn't even have been put in in the first place.

[Seleucas]

I don't think the Pledge should be recited at all, seeing as how most children barely understand what the words mean.

[Saveyou Island]

I don't think the Pledge should be recited at all, seeing as how most children barely understand what the words mean.

Y'know, children aren't the only ones who recite the Pledge...