"Under God" in the Pledge of Allegiance

[Ifreann]

Yeah. I was with Galborg all the way, right up to "once a week".

No, wait. I'm not on-side with "beautiful patriotic poem" either. The original pledge has some rhythm to it, but it's hardly beautiful poetry.

Liberty and Justice for All

What's not to like? Yeah the Ebil Libruhls destroyed the Glory with their sound-bites and political correctness. But the original version is great.

Liberty, except the liberty to not bother saying the pledge.

[Neo Rome Republic]

It's hurting nobody to force them to pledge allegiance to a single God in a multireligious nation?

Well they shouldn’t be forced to recite the pledge if they don't want too,Ive never recited it in my life.
But Under God shouldn’t be removed.

Why not remove it?

[Shaggai]

The Under God part should be removed, and children should not be forced to recite the pledge in schools. I'm fine with there being a pledge, so long as it's not forced upon anyone. But forcing children to say that they live in one nation under God in a multireligious nation is completely and utterly wrong. I've stopped saying the pledge in my school and I alternatively switch between pledges to Satan and Stalin at the beginning of the school day.

You have a Constitutional right not to say the Pledge. Be patriotic: Exercise your free speech!

[Bodobol]

It's hurting nobody to force them to pledge allegiance to a single God in a multireligious nation?

Well they shouldn’t be forced to recite the pledge if they don't want too,Ive never recited it in my life.
But Under God shouldn’t be removed.

Still though, it's a violation of the First Amendment.

From the actual text of the First Amendment...
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech..."

Tell me this isn't a direct violation of that first bit there.

[Bodobol]

The Under God part should be removed, and children should not be forced to recite the pledge in schools. I'm fine with there being a pledge, so long as it's not forced upon anyone. But forcing children to say that they live in one nation under God in a multireligious nation is completely and utterly wrong. I've stopped saying the pledge in my school and I alternatively switch between pledges to Satan and Stalin at the beginning of the school day.

You have a Constitutional right not to say the Pledge. Be patriotic: Exercise your free speech!

Hence why I've been pledging allegiance to Satan most mornings.

Here's my Stalin pledge, if you care at all:

I pledge allegiance, to the flag,
of the Soviet Republic of Russia
And to the Republic, for which it stands
One nation, under Stalin,
with liberty and justice for nobody. Nobody at all.

[Lost heros]

Well they shouldn’t be forced to recite the pledge if they don't want too,Ive never recited it in my life.
But Under God shouldn’t be removed.

Still though, it's a violation of the First Amendment.

From the actual text of the First Amendment...
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech..."

Tell me this isn't a direct violation of that first bit there.

This isn't a direct violation off that first bit there. It's a violation of the entire thing.

[Bodobol]

Still though, it's a violation of the First Amendment.

From the actual text of the First Amendment...
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech..."

Tell me this isn't a direct violation of that first bit there.

This isn't a direct violation off that first bit there. It's a violation of the entire thing.

True, but it primarily violates the first bit.

[The Land of Truth]

You have a Constitutional right not to say the Pledge. Be patriotic: Exercise your free speech!

Hence why I've been pledging allegiance to Satan most mornings.

Here's my Stalin pledge, if you care at all:

I pledge allegiance, to the flag,
of the Soviet Republic of Russia
And to the Republic, for which it stands
One nation, under Stalin,
with liberty and justice for nobody. Nobody at all.

I hope you don't mind if I use that, from now on.

[Bodobol]

Hence why I've been pledging allegiance to Satan most mornings.

Here's my Stalin pledge, if you care at all:

I pledge allegiance, to the flag,
of the Soviet Republic of Russia
And to the Republic, for which it stands
One nation, under Stalin,
with liberty and justice for nobody. Nobody at all.

I hope you don't mind if I use that, from now on.

Tell your friends! 'Tis the first step in the glorious revolution of the proletariat!

[Shaggai]

You have a Constitutional right not to say the Pledge. Be patriotic: Exercise your free speech!

Hence why I've been pledging allegiance to Satan most mornings.

Here's my Stalin pledge, if you care at all:

I pledge allegiance, to the flag,
of the Soviet Republic of Russia
And to the Republic, for which it stands
One nation, under Stalin,
with liberty and justice for nobody. Nobody at all.

Oh, come on. Pledging allegiance to a genocidal totalitarian maniac who actually exiisted is even worse than pledging to a nonexistent one. A better version starts:
I pledge allegiance
To Queen Fragg,
And her mighty state of hysteria...

[Bodobol]

Hence why I've been pledging allegiance to Satan most mornings.

Here's my Stalin pledge, if you care at all:

I pledge allegiance, to the flag,
of the Soviet Republic of Russia
And to the Republic, for which it stands
One nation, under Stalin,
with liberty and justice for nobody. Nobody at all.

Oh, come on. Pledging allegiance to a genocidal totalitarian maniac who actually exiisted is even worse than pledging to a nonexistent one. A better version starts:
I pledge allegiance
To Queen Fragg,
And her mighty state of hysteria...

It is a joke, though. I'm not a Stalinist IRL.

Anyway, I'm starting to detect this thread going off course, and I apologize for starting that. [/threadjack]

[Priory Academy USSR]

Beyond the military and senior government officials, I don't see why anyone should have to (or make it a favoured option to) recite the Pledge of Allegiance at all. But yes, 'under God' really should be taken out for reasons I'm sure everyone else has made clear.

[Anachronous Rex]

It's hurting nobody to force them to pledge allegiance to a single God in a multireligious nation?

Well they shouldn’t be forced to recite the pledge if they don't want too,Ive never recited it in my life.
But Under God shouldn’t be removed.

It throws off the whole rhythm of the piece.

[Arumdaum]

We should remove the entire pledge.

[Bodobol]

We should remove the entire pledge.

Not really. I think it's still appropriate for those serving in the military and government officials. But I think the Under God part is inappropriate in all cases.

[Galborg]

We should remove the entire pledge.

So each morning, they raise the flag, the whole student body is assembled. Everyone salutes and says "I ain't saying nuffing."?

[The Land of Truth]

We should remove the entire pledge.

So each morning, they raise the flag, the whole student body is assembled. Everyone salutes and says "I ain't saying nuffing."?

No, they wouldn't do anything at all. They actually do that at your school?

[Ifreann]

We should remove the entire pledge.

So each morning, they raise the flag, the whole student body is assembled. Everyone salutes and says "I ain't saying nuffing."?

Each morning someone raises the flag, because it's their job. Everyone else goes about their business.

[Genivaria]

Well they shouldn’t be forced to recite the pledge if they don't want too,Ive never recited it in my life.
But Under God shouldn’t be removed.

It throws off the whole rhythm of the piece.

(One nation,) (indivisible,) (with Liberty and Justice for All) (Under God)
(Solidarity) (More Solidarity) (The Values the nation were founded on) (Fucking exclusionary statement out of nowhere.)

[Yumyumsuppertime]

I still don't like the idea of minors being made to swear oaths.

Well minors are citizens, and because we don't make them get citizenship upon turning 18, that's just the way it is.

We also don't allow them to sign contracts or make other legally binding promises. While the pledge may not be legally binding, it's odd to ask a child to make a sacred promise before he or she is able to fully comprehend it. Also, there's the fact that mindless repetition creates robots, not informed citizens.

And to stay on topic, the "Under God" part is just silly, especially nowadays. It was originally awkwardly shoved into the pledge as a way to distinguish ourselves from a "godless" enemy. Now that our most prominent enemy is a radical religious movement, it points out uncomfortable similarities in our cultures.

[Shaggai]

Well minors are citizens, and because we don't make them get citizenship upon turning 18, that's just the way it is.

We also don't allow them to sign contracts or make other legally binding promises. While the pledge may not be legally binding, it's odd to ask a child to make a sacred promise before he or she is able to fully comprehend it. Also, there's the fact that mindless repetition creates robots, not informed citizens.

And to stay on topic, the "Under God" part is just silly, especially nowadays. It was originally awkwardly shoved into the pledge as a way to distinguish ourselves from a "godless" enemy. Now that our most prominent enemy is a radical religious movement, it points out uncomfortable similarities in our cultures.

But they don't worship the true God. So it's all okay.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

We also don't allow them to sign contracts or make other legally binding promises. While the pledge may not be legally binding, it's odd to ask a child to make a sacred promise before he or she is able to fully comprehend it. Also, there's the fact that mindless repetition creates robots, not informed citizens.

And to stay on topic, the "Under God" part is just silly, especially nowadays. It was originally awkwardly shoved into the pledge as a way to distinguish ourselves from a "godless" enemy. Now that our most prominent enemy is a radical religious movement, it points out uncomfortable similarities in our cultures.

But they don't worship the true God. So it's all okay.

So, wait, what about when Muslim students recite the pledge? CONFUSED I AM!

[The Land of Truth]

We also don't allow them to sign contracts or make other legally binding promises. While the pledge may not be legally binding, it's odd to ask a child to make a sacred promise before he or she is able to fully comprehend it. Also, there's the fact that mindless repetition creates robots, not informed citizens.

And to stay on topic, the "Under God" part is just silly, especially nowadays. It was originally awkwardly shoved into the pledge as a way to distinguish ourselves from a "godless" enemy. Now that our most prominent enemy is a radical religious movement, it points out uncomfortable similarities in our cultures.

But they don't worship the true God. So it's all okay.

Boy are Christians gonna be pissed when they die and find out it was just one big episode of Punk'd, all along.

[Neo Rome Republic]

We also don't allow them to sign contracts or make other legally binding promises. While the pledge may not be legally binding, it's odd to ask a child to make a sacred promise before he or she is able to fully comprehend it. Also, there's the fact that mindless repetition creates robots, not informed citizens.

And to stay on topic, the "Under God" part is just silly, especially nowadays. It was originally awkwardly shoved into the pledge as a way to distinguish ourselves from a "godless" enemy. Now that our most prominent enemy is a radical religious movement, it points out uncomfortable similarities in our cultures.

But they don't worship the true God. So it's all okay.

Christians and Muslims both worship the ''God'' of Abraham. So it's not okay.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

But they don't worship the true God. So it's all okay.

Boy are Christians gonna be pissed when they die and find out it was just one big episode of Punk'd, all along.

Wait...

Ashton Kutcher is God?