"Under God" in the Pledge of Allegiance

[Vazdania]

Not according to the 9th Circuit court of appeals.

Even if it isn't ruled unconstitutional, I still think it should be removed out of respect to atheists, secularists, and polytheists.

"I want special privileges"

[The Scientific States]

Not according to the 9th Circuit court of appeals.

Even if it isn't ruled unconstitutional, I still think it should be removed out of respect to atheists, secularists, and polytheists.

Lets just scrap the pledge in general.

And if we can't do that, remove under God.

[Mike the Progressive]

http://www.gallup.com/poll/11551/americans-indivisible-pledge-allegiance.aspx
*Results are based on telephone interviews with 1,001 national adults, aged 18 and older, conducted March 26-28, 2004. For results based on the total sample of national adults, one can say with 95% confidence that the margin of sampling error is ±3 percentage points.

That poll is almost ten years old.

Picky, picky.

[NERVUN]

http://www.gallup.com/poll/11551/americans-indivisible-pledge-allegiance.aspx
*Results are based on telephone interviews with 1,001 national adults, aged 18 and older, conducted March 26-28, 2004. For results based on the total sample of national adults, one can say with 95% confidence that the margin of sampling error is ±3 percentage points.

That poll is almost ten years old.

I wouldn't expect much movement on it however.

[Vazdania]

Not really.

Yes really. It's unconstitutional and should be removed.

Not according to both the first and ninth circuit court of appeals.

[The Scientific States]

Even if it isn't ruled unconstitutional, I still think it should be removed out of respect to atheists, secularists, and polytheists.

"I want special privileges"

Removed for respect of beliefs/=/I Want Special Privileges

[NERVUN]

Even if it isn't ruled unconstitutional, I still think it should be removed out of respect to atheists, secularists, and polytheists.

"I want special privileges"

WHAT special privileges?

[Regnum Dominae]

Even if it isn't ruled unconstitutional, I still think it should be removed out of respect to atheists, secularists, and polytheists.

"I want special privileges"

The real "special privilege" here is the privilege of Christians to ram their religion down everyone else's throats.

[Warda]

http://www.gallup.com/poll/11551/americans-indivisible-pledge-allegiance.aspx
*Results are based on telephone interviews with 1,001 national adults, aged 18 and older, conducted March 26-28, 2004. For results based on the total sample of national adults, one can say with 95% confidence that the margin of sampling error is ±3 percentage points.

That poll is almost ten years old.

That was the last time is was a national issue. I can't say I really think it's changed much though. I mean people got upset about Obama not saying God enough in his campaign speeches.

[Vazdania]

"I want special privileges"

Removed for respect of beliefs/=/I Want Special Privileges

Well fine then, I want The statue of liberty removed from New York Harbor.

[Wisconsin9]

I'd like a link to that study, please.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/11551/americans-indivisible-pledge-allegiance.aspx
*Results are based on telephone interviews with 1,001 national adults, aged 18 and older, conducted March 26-28, 2004. For results based on the total sample of national adults, one can say with 95% confidence that the margin of sampling error is ±3 percentage points.

A poll from nine years ago is hardly the most compelling argument.

[Blasveck]

I'd like a link to that study, please.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/11551/americans-indivisible-pledge-allegiance.aspx
*Results are based on telephone interviews with 1,001 national adults, aged 18 and older, conducted March 26-28, 2004. For results based on the total sample of national adults, one can say with 95% confidence that the margin of sampling error is ±3 percentage points.

A lot can change in nearly 10 years.

[Vazdania]

"I want special privileges"

The real "special privilege" here is the privilege of Christians to ram their religion down everyone else's throats.

Monotheists*

and no it doesn't.

[Galla-]

"Under God" should be removed from the pledge, and "In god we trust" shouldn't be our motto. We could just change the god part to something like "In liberty we trust" or "In justice he trust" or "In freedom we trust" etc.

The original motto was E Pluribus Unum. Out of many, one.

It was never changed, it's never been the official motto.

[United Furry Alliance]

I'm against having god in the pledge. We have a separation of church and state when I stopped doing the pledge because it had god in it I was told to damn stand and heck some teachers had the nerve to ask me to recite it some students look at me eyes filled with hatred.

Of course that was only in elementary and middle school. Possibly because I was in a small town at the time but still it was hard deal with.

[Wisconsin9]

Removed for respect of beliefs/=/I Want Special Privileges

Well fine then, I want The statue of liberty removed from New York Harbor.

On what grounds?

[Warda]

http://www.gallup.com/poll/11551/americans-indivisible-pledge-allegiance.aspx
*Results are based on telephone interviews with 1,001 national adults, aged 18 and older, conducted March 26-28, 2004. For results based on the total sample of national adults, one can say with 95% confidence that the margin of sampling error is ±3 percentage points.

A poll from nine years ago is hardly the most compelling argument.

k then go find a poll giving different data

[Vazdania]

"I want special privileges"

WHAT special privileges?

Because I'm group X and don't like Idea Y, Group Z should remove Idea Y.

[The Scientific States]

Removed for respect of beliefs/=/I Want Special Privileges

Well fine then, I want The statue of liberty removed from New York Harbor.

Are you trying to prove a point or something?

Because that's hugely unrelated.

[Mike the Progressive]

That poll is almost ten years old.

I wouldn't expect much movement on it however.

Yeah. This is unlikely to go anywhere. I suspect it will remain even if most of America becomes nonreligious for sometime, because nobody really cares. Until somebody gets it to SCOTUS, they now shaped by public opinion, strike it down and 5% of people respond "huh, apparently we had a pledge."

[Wisconsin9]

A poll from nine years ago is hardly the most compelling argument.

k then go find a poll giving different data

Burden of proof is on you.

[Vazdania]

Well fine then, I want The statue of liberty removed from New York Harbor.

On what grounds?

it constitutes an establishment of religion in New York.

[NERVUN]

Yes really. It's unconstitutional and should be removed.

Not according to both the first and ninth circuit court of appeals.

Not the full court, and as it has been noted, it ain't over till SCOTUS sings.

[The Scientific States]

WHAT special privileges?

Because I'm group X and don't like Idea Y, Group Z should remove Idea Y.

It's more like group X doesn't want to have to be forced to follow the beliefs of Group Y.

[Blasveck]

WHAT special privileges?

Because I'm group X and don't like Idea Y, Group Z should remove Idea Y.

If idea Y is unconstitutional, then yes.