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Should the phrase "under God" be removed from the Pledge of Allegiance?

Yes
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No
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Postby Des-Bal » Wed Sep 04, 2013 1:59 pm

Earth Empire wrote:Yeah I'm not trolling. I'm messing with you guys. Please, lighten up. ;)


Messing with someone because you want to make them mad is exactly what trolling is.
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Postby Ifreann » Wed Sep 04, 2013 2:00 pm

The Lost Souls wrote:I think it should be kept, if you don't like that part in it you can skip over it.

You can skip over all of it. You can't be made to say the pledge. That's not the point.
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Postby Earth Empire » Wed Sep 04, 2013 2:02 pm

Des-Bal wrote:
Earth Empire wrote:Yeah I'm not trolling. I'm messing with you guys. Please, lighten up. ;)


Messing with someone because you want to make them mad is exactly what trolling is.


I said who cares, sorry if that opinion offends you or makes you want to explode. Then I said waste of time because debating this really isn't going to do anything. I'm not trying to be an ass or anything. I type my point and it can come across rude.
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Postby Ifreann » Wed Sep 04, 2013 2:06 pm

Earth Empire wrote:
Des-Bal wrote:
Messing with someone because you want to make them mad is exactly what trolling is.


I said who cares, sorry if that opinion offends you or makes you want to explode. Then I said waste of time because debating this really isn't going to do anything. I'm not trying to be an ass or anything. I type my point and it can come across rude.

So you came to a debate and discussion forum to tell us to stop debating and discussing. I suppose everyone needs a hobby.
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Postby Neo Rome Republic » Wed Sep 04, 2013 2:06 pm

Earth Empire wrote:
Des-Bal wrote:
Messing with someone because you want to make them mad is exactly what trolling is.


I said who cares, sorry if that opinion offends you or makes you want to explode. Then I said waste of time because debating this really isn't going to do anything. I'm not trying to be an ass or anything. I type my point and it can come across rude.


*Thinks debating is a waste of time* *Posts on a debate forum*
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Postby Des-Bal » Wed Sep 04, 2013 2:07 pm

Earth Empire wrote:
I said who cares, sorry if that opinion offends you or makes you want to explode. Then I said waste of time because debating this really isn't going to do anything. I'm not trying to be an ass or anything. I type my point and it can come across rude.



That's not an opinion it's the antithesis of an opinion. You're saying you expressed disinterest to "mess with people" you are attempting to aggravate those vested in the topic.
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Postby Norstal » Wed Sep 04, 2013 2:07 pm

Earth Empire wrote:
Des-Bal wrote:
Messing with someone because you want to make them mad is exactly what trolling is.


I said who cares, sorry if that opinion offends you or makes you want to explode. Then I said waste of time because debating this really isn't going to do anything. I'm not trying to be an ass or anything. I type my point and it can come across rude.

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The Land of Truth
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Postby The Land of Truth » Wed Sep 04, 2013 2:07 pm

Earth Empire wrote:
Des-Bal wrote:
Messing with someone because you want to make them mad is exactly what trolling is.


I said who cares, sorry if that opinion offends you or makes you want to explode. Then I said waste of time because debating this really isn't going to do anything. I'm not trying to be an ass or anything. I type my point and it can come across rude.

So you're wasting your time to tell us how much we're wasting our time? Yeah, that makes perfect sense.
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Postby Enadail » Wed Sep 04, 2013 2:08 pm

Earth Empire wrote:
Des-Bal wrote:
Messing with someone because you want to make them mad is exactly what trolling is.


I said who cares, sorry if that opinion offends you or makes you want to explode. Then I said waste of time because debating this really isn't going to do anything. I'm not trying to be an ass or anything. I type my point and it can come across rude.


Its certainly not the opinion that offends anyone, its the attitude. Plus, if debating it is a waste of time, why bother being here? The whole point of this forum is debate, often items we can't directly influence. But by the extension of your mindset, there's no point in doing anything outside your immediate skillset. Of course, we know that's not true, because with time and effort, a lot has been achieved.

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Postby Lemanrussland » Wed Sep 04, 2013 2:08 pm

NEO Rome Republic wrote:
Earth Empire wrote:
I said who cares, sorry if that opinion offends you or makes you want to explode. Then I said waste of time because debating this really isn't going to do anything. I'm not trying to be an ass or anything. I type my point and it can come across rude.


*Thinks debating is a waste of time* *Posts on a debate forum*

Yo dawg I herd you like debating, so we're having a debate about debating, so you can waste time while wasting time.

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Postby Lost heros » Wed Sep 04, 2013 2:11 pm

Earth Empire wrote:
Des-Bal wrote:
Messing with someone because you want to make them mad is exactly what trolling is.


I said who cares,

And somebody answered.
The Land of Truth wrote:
Earth Empire wrote:Who really cares.

Anybody that's posted on this thread.

sorry if that opinion offends you or makes you want to explode.
It wasn't your opinion that was insulting.
Then I said waste of time because debating this really isn't going to do anything.

Incorrect you said that this was a waste of time, which made it seem that everyone who was debating in this thread were wasting their time.
I'm not trying to be an ass or anything.
Perhaps you should re-evaluate your posting style then.
I type my point and it can come across rude.

Your point and you were rude.
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Postby Neo Rome Republic » Wed Sep 04, 2013 2:11 pm

Lemanrussland wrote:
NEO Rome Republic wrote:
*Thinks debating is a waste of time* *Posts on a debate forum*

Yo dawg I herd you like debating, so we're having a debate about debating, so you can waste time while wasting time.


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Postby Rosov » Wed Sep 04, 2013 2:12 pm

I said "yes" to the poll, but I really don't care. Although, I do think it sounds better without it.
I don't say the pledge anyway.... :P
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Postby Earth Empire » Wed Sep 04, 2013 2:16 pm

High five for team work :bow:

Damn, now all you guys think I'm some idiotic troll. Ugh.

Honestly, I really am extremely bored right now. You guys didn't have to kill me that bad.
You are an Ordoliberal. 1 percent of the test participators are in the same category and 82 percent are more extremist than you.
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Postby Galborg » Wed Sep 04, 2013 2:18 pm

Ailiailia wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Making it compulsory ever is unreasonable. And probably illegal.


Yeah. I was with Galborg all the way, right up to "once a week".

No, wait. I'm not on-side with "beautiful patriotic poem" either. The original pledge has some rhythm to it, but it's hardly beautiful poetry.


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Postby Lost heros » Wed Sep 04, 2013 2:19 pm

Earth Empire wrote:High five for team work :bow:

Damn, now all you guys think I'm some idiotic troll. Ugh.

Honestly, I really am extremely bored right now. You guys didn't have to kill me that bad.

Perhaps if you are bored, you can state which side of the argument you support, and you know argue for it.
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Postby Earth Empire » Wed Sep 04, 2013 2:25 pm

Lost heros wrote:
Earth Empire wrote:High five for team work :bow:

Damn, now all you guys think I'm some idiotic troll. Ugh.

Honestly, I really am extremely bored right now. You guys didn't have to kill me that bad.

Perhaps if you are bored, you can state which side of the argument you support, and you know argue for it.


I'm sure you guys would make me see the "error of my ways". You guy probably think I'm like a 6 year old haha. Adios
You are an Ordoliberal. 1 percent of the test participators are in the same category and 82 percent are more extremist than you.
    Cosmopolitan 4%
    Fundamentalist 27%
    Reactionary 20%
    Authoritarian 14%
    Capitalistic 24%
    Militaristic 34%
    Anthropocentric 17%
You are a centrist moderate social authoritarian.
Right: 0.66, Authoritarian: 1.34


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Postby Israel State » Wed Sep 04, 2013 2:25 pm

I think we should keep it, because its not hurting anybody.
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Postby Lost heros » Wed Sep 04, 2013 2:26 pm

Israel State wrote:I think we should keep it, because its not hurting anybody.

And taking it out wouldn't hurt anybody. What's your point?
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Postby Enadail » Wed Sep 04, 2013 2:27 pm

Earth Empire wrote:
Lost heros wrote:Perhaps if you are bored, you can state which side of the argument you support, and you know argue for it.


I'm sure you guys would make me see the "error of my ways". You guy probably think I'm like a 6 year old haha. Adios


So you've given the chance to show us you're not a 6 year old... and instead just leave like a child who's lost interest in a toy. Yup, attitude changed.

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Postby Enadail » Wed Sep 04, 2013 2:27 pm

Israel State wrote:I think we should keep it, because its not hurting anybody.


Removing it would also not hurt anyone and would also be in agreement with the laws of the country.

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Postby Bodobol » Wed Sep 04, 2013 2:29 pm

The Under God part should be removed, and children should not be forced to recite the pledge in schools. I'm fine with there being a pledge, so long as it's not forced upon anyone. But forcing children to say that they live in one nation under God in a multireligious nation is completely and utterly wrong. I've stopped saying the pledge in my school and I alternatively switch between pledges to Satan and Stalin at the beginning of the school day.
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Postby Bodobol » Wed Sep 04, 2013 2:30 pm

Israel State wrote:I think we should keep it, because its not hurting anybody.


It's hurting nobody to force them to pledge allegiance to a single God in a multireligious nation?
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Postby Galborg » Wed Sep 04, 2013 2:31 pm

Israel State wrote:I think we should keep it, because its not hurting anybody.


It is hurting everybody who was persecuted by MacCarthy's inquisition.

It is boring students who have to do it every fucking day.

It is hurting Atheist and Druid students who must be hypocrites ifn they swear or punished ifn they don't.
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Postby Israel State » Wed Sep 04, 2013 2:32 pm

Bodobol wrote:
Israel State wrote:I think we should keep it, because its not hurting anybody.


It's hurting nobody to force them to pledge allegiance to a single God in a multireligious nation?



Well they shouldn’t be forced to recite the pledge if they don't want too,Ive never recited it in my life.
But Under God shouldn’t be removed.
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