"Under God" in the Pledge of Allegiance

[Kington Langley]

They should get rid of the pledge of allegiance in schools full stop. It seems a bit like state-endorsed propaganda/brainwashing from my humble British perspective. When I first learnt about it, at first I didn't believe it, it put me in mind of Nazi Germany and the Hitler Youth. Coming from a nation where a politician would probably be branded racist if they even suggested such a thing, to me, it sounds like something out of an authoritarian state.

[Dyakovo]

SCotUS has been wrong before, as they are this time. Declaring the addition of "under god" to be "ceremonial deism" is ridiculous. All you have to do to see that that never was the intention of the addition is look at the history of its addition.

Changes to the pledge have almost always been fueled by xenophobia. Case in point: 1923, the clarification of the "United States of America" was added in fear that immigrants do bad things or something of that nature.

That was added on so as to remove confusion as to what flag they were swearing fealty to... Or at least that is the reason that was given for the change.

[Dyakovo]

They should get rid of the pledge of allegiance in schools full stop. It seems a bit like state-endorsed propaganda/brainwashing from my humble British perspective. When I first learnt about it, at first I didn't believe it, it put me in mind of Nazi Germany and the Hitler Youth. Coming from a nation where a politician would probably be branded racist if they even suggested such a thing, to me, it sounds like something out of an authoritarian state.

I agree that it should be gotten rid of entirely. Barring that happening, the least that should be done is eliminating the "under god" from it.

[Ostroeuropa]

They should get rid of the pledge of allegiance in schools full stop. It seems a bit like state-endorsed propaganda/brainwashing from my humble British perspective. When I first learnt about it, at first I didn't believe it, it put me in mind of Nazi Germany and the Hitler Youth. Coming from a nation where a politician would probably be branded racist if they even suggested such a thing, to me, it sounds like something out of an authoritarian state.

I agree.
It is a bit weird.
Either racist or trying too hard to be patriotic, in a "What are you hiding? Are you secretly a spy?" kind of way.
Like when people decide to be SUPER HETERO, and the immediate thought is "Huh. They must be gay."

[Imperializt Russia]

1. You don't have to say it
2. God can refer to any god
3. I think it sounds better with it in it

It doesn't quite refer to any god.
Especially in a country that professes itself to be so Christian-centric as the States.

If you openly substituted "another" God in there, you'd probably cop flak.
Especially since most religions consider other religions to be false deities.

[Nuclear Death Land]

1. You don't have to say it
2. God can refer to any god
3. I think it sounds better with it in it

Good point. I'll stick with him.

[Ostroeuropa]

1. You don't have to say it
2. God can refer to any god
3. I think it sounds better with it in it

It doesn't quite refer to any god.
Especially in a country that professes itself to be so Christian-centric as the States.

If you openly substituted "another" God in there, you'd probably cop flak.
Especially since most religions consider other religions to be false deities.

In addition, it's an endorsement of monotheism, and it precludes goddesses.

[Genivaria]

1. You don't have to say it
2. God can refer to any god
3. I think it sounds better with it in it

Good point. I'll stick with him.

It clearly endorses monotheism when the government shouldn't be endorsing any religious view.

[Nuclear Death Land]

They should get rid of the pledge of allegiance in schools full stop. It seems a bit like state-endorsed propaganda/brainwashing from my humble British perspective. When I first learnt about it, at first I didn't believe it, it put me in mind of Nazi Germany and the Hitler Youth. Coming from a nation where a politician would probably be branded racist if they even suggested such a thing, to me, it sounds like something out of an authoritarian state.

If you live in the US, chances are you want to be somewhat loyal?
Oh well, it's your opinion, and I'll respect that.

[Altarak]

Good point. I'll stick with him.

It clearly endorses monotheism when the government shouldn't be endorsing any religious view.

Agreed.

America should aso change In God We Trust.

[Lost heros]

1. You don't have to say it
2. God can refer to any god
3. I think it sounds better with it in it

Good point. I'll stick with him.

1. Tell that to the school system,
2. Yes, but it doesn't.
3. And if we took it, in ten years people will think it sounds better without it.

[Genivaria]

They should get rid of the pledge of allegiance in schools full stop. It seems a bit like state-endorsed propaganda/brainwashing from my humble British perspective. When I first learnt about it, at first I didn't believe it, it put me in mind of Nazi Germany and the Hitler Youth. Coming from a nation where a politician would probably be branded racist if they even suggested such a thing, to me, it sounds like something out of an authoritarian state.

If you live in the US, chances are you want to be somewhat loyal?
Oh well, it's your opinion, and I'll respect that.

Not sure what you're trying to say.

[Imperializt Russia]

If you live in the US, chances are you want to be somewhat loyal?
Oh well, it's your opinion, and I'll respect that.

Not sure what you're trying to say.

I am similarly confused.

I'm trying desperately not to take "Nazism is fine because Nationalism" from this.

[Ostroeuropa]

They should get rid of the pledge of allegiance in schools full stop. It seems a bit like state-endorsed propaganda/brainwashing from my humble British perspective. When I first learnt about it, at first I didn't believe it, it put me in mind of Nazi Germany and the Hitler Youth. Coming from a nation where a politician would probably be branded racist if they even suggested such a thing, to me, it sounds like something out of an authoritarian state.

If you live in the US, chances are you want to be somewhat loyal?
Oh well, it's your opinion, and I'll respect that.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxHKObRq-iE

For the same reason that these men are patriots for burning the flag on a regular basis, i'd think it would be patriotic to refuse to recite the pledge.
The country is nothing without the rights of it's citizens.

[Condunum]

Changes to the pledge have almost always been fueled by xenophobia. Case in point: 1923, the clarification of the "United States of America" was added in fear that immigrants do bad things or something of that nature.

That was added on so as to remove confusion as to what flag they were swearing fealty to... Or at least that is the reason that was given for the change.

Which is really a polite way of saying that they want immigrants to pledge to their flag. I get the motive, it's just that the pledge almost never changes for any reason besides, "ONO OUTSIDE SOMETHING THREATEN US"

[New Capria]

The original Pledge of Allegiance was written by a Baptist minister and he felt no need to include "Under God".

[Altarak]

The original Pledge of Allegiance was written by a Baptist minister and he felt no need to include "Under God".

So?

People might not believe in God, and as some pointed out, the "Under God" part violates parts of the US constitution?

[Malfyria]

Remove it to further weaken the monotheistic dogma that has infiltrated the administration of your country.

[Killzone35]

Remove it to further weaken the monotheistic dogma that has infiltrated the administration of your country.

how bout you shut up

[Altarak]

Remove it to further weaken the monotheistic dogma that has infiltrated the administration of your country.

how bout you shut up

?

You believe the Under God part should remain?

[Killzone35]

how bout you shut up

?

You believe the Under God part should remain?

yeah

[Altarak]

?

You believe the Under God part should remain?

yeah

Could you please say why?

[Salandriagado]

Remove it to further weaken the monotheistic dogma that has infiltrated the administration of your country.

how bout you shut up

What, you deny that such a dogma exists and is extraordinarily influential at all levels of government within the US?

[Agritum]

Remove it to further weaken the monotheistic dogma that has infiltrated the administration of your country.

how bout you shut up

Don't flame.

[Neo Rome Republic]

Remove it to further weaken the monotheistic dogma that has infiltrated the administration of your country.

how bout you shut up

How about no, we all have a right give our opinions, and some of us want your God, out of the pledge.