"Under God" in the Pledge of Allegiance

[Kormanthor]

No it was a belief that a country that believes in God and is not afraid to say so will be blessed by God for doing so, and that is still true today.

[Lost heros]

No it was a belief that a country that believes in God and is not afraid to say so will be blessed by God for doing so, and that is still true today.

You're so wrong in so many ways.
Where should I start?

[Benuty]

No it was a belief that a country that believes in God and is not afraid to say so will be blessed by God for doing so, and that is still true today.

Then why did militant secularism explode in the late 1960s and 1970s after the pledge was added in the 1950s?

Because the addition of the pledge allowed those in the government to begin a system of systematic indoctrination which turned against them when the counter-culture protested against the state after being fed up with it. The war only added more fuel to the fire of the protestors which unfortunately didn't mobilize long enough to get the pledge changed back.

[Kormanthor]

No it was a belief that a country that believes in God and is not afraid to say so will be blessed by God for doing so, and that is still true today.

You're so wrong in so many ways.
Where should I start?

You can start anywhere you wish. So far you haven't told me why you think I am wrong.

[Kormanthor]

No it was a belief that a country that believes in God and is not afraid to say so will be blessed by God for doing so, and that is still true today.

Then why did militant secularism explode in the late 1960s and 1970s after the pledge was added in the 1950s?

Because the addition of the pledge allowed those in the government to begin a system of systematic indoctrination which turned against them when the counter-culture protested against the state after being fed up with it. The war only added more fuel to the fire of the protestors which unfortunately didn't mobilize long enough to get the pledge changed back.

And what kind of indoctination do you think our children are being introduced to in school now?

[Divair]

I think it sounds better with it in it.

Why do you hate the Constitution?

[Lost heros]

You're so wrong in so many ways.
Where should I start?

You can start anywhere you wish. So far you haven't told me why you think I am wrong.

1st. "Under God" wasn't included to show what devout followers of Jesus we are. It was added to show we are better than the Soviet Union.

2nd. "Under God" is fundamentally unconstitutional. The first amendment states, "Congress shall make no law respecting the establishment of a religion."
The US Flag code, that includes the pledge of allegiance, is a law, and by including "Under God" it respects the establishment of Christianity.

Anything you would like for me to elaborate on?

[Benuty]

Then why did militant secularism explode in the late 1960s and 1970s after the pledge was added in the 1950s?

Because the addition of the pledge allowed those in the government to begin a system of systematic indoctrination which turned against them when the counter-culture protested against the state after being fed up with it. The war only added more fuel to the fire of the protestors which unfortunately didn't mobilize long enough to get the pledge changed back.

And what kind of indoctination do you think our children are being introduced to in school now?

It is the same indoctrination but under a different name and angle to appear different from its ancestor when it is really not.

[Benuty]

You can start anywhere you wish. So far you haven't told me why you think I am wrong.

1st. "Under God" wasn't included to show what devout followers of Jesus we are. It was added to show we are better than the Soviet Union.

2nd. "Under God" is fundamentally unconstitutional. The first amendment states, "Congress shall make no law respecting the establishment of a religion."
The US Flag code, that includes the pledge of allegiance, is a law, and by including "Under God" it respects the establishment of Christianity.

Anything you would like for me to elaborate on?

The first amendment includes that for a reason, it was a mostly successful attempt to repel the corrupting influences of the perverse national of the Church of England during the time of George the 3rd. In the end I suppose it came back to bite the British in the ass.

[Kormanthor]

And what kind of indoctination do you think our children are being introduced to in school now?

It is the same indoctrination but under a different name and angle to appear different from its ancestor when it is really not.

What about the idea that the government is your family?

[Farnhamia]

It is the same indoctrination but under a different name and angle to appear different from its ancestor when it is really not.

What about the idea that the government is your family?

Whose idea is that?

[Divair]

What about the idea that the government is your family?

Whose idea is that?

Ayn Rand's, clearly.

[Benuty]

It is the same indoctrination but under a different name and angle to appear different from its ancestor when it is really not.

What about the idea that the government is your family?

Parens Patriae?

[Norstal]

Whose idea is that?

Ayn Rand's, clearly.

Nah, Ayn Rand is godless and...let's be honest, who'd make a family with her?

It's Zombie McCarthy's.

[Enadail]

Whose idea is that?

Ayn Rand's, clearly.

Nah nah, she didn't like the government. Or did she not like her family? I'm not sure anymore...

[Norstal]

And what kind of indoctination do you think our children are being introduced to in school now?

It is the same indoctrination but under a different name and angle to appear different from its ancestor when it is really not.

When I had to do pledges, let me guarantee that none of the kids gave a milligram of shit about the pledge, patriotism, or the flag. Then again California is one of the better states, so I might be wrong for other states.

[Benuty]

Ayn Rand's, clearly.

Nah nah, she didn't like the government. Or did she not like her family? I'm not sure anymore...

Ayn Rand was to busy being a supinical idolatrous blood cultist feasting on the minds of the disillusioned.

[Norstal]

No it was a belief that a country that believes in God and is not afraid to say so will be blessed by God for doing so, and that is still true today.

Yeah, I wonder why Congress hasn't made an Inquisition to purge the Godless, Heathen Indians, and the Muslims out of our country yet.

[Divair]

Ayn Rand's, clearly.

Nah nah, she didn't like the government. Or did she not like her family? I'm not sure anymore...

Her parents were the government. Don't you see the connection?

[Kormanthor]

Whose idea is that?

Ayn Rand's, clearly.

It's a stupid idea regardless of who thought of it?

[Benuty]

No it was a belief that a country that believes in God and is not afraid to say so will be blessed by God for doing so, and that is still true today.

Yeah, I wonder why Congress hasn't made an Inquisition to purge the Godless, Heathen Indians, and the Muslims out of our country yet.

You can thank the true heroes of the counter-culture and the true patriots for keeping congress in line (somewhat).

[Divair]

Ayn Rand's, clearly.

It's a stupid idea regardless of who thought of it?

The point is that it's entirely irrelevant to the discussion at hand. And you still haven't told me why you hate the Constitution.

[Disserbia]

It should be optional, as in people should have the right not to say that part.

[Benuty]

It should be optional, as in people should have the right not to say that part.

It shouldn't be an issue as a majority of the country should naturally be against the addition in the pledge.

[Husqvarnia]

"I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."

These words were added to the Pledge in 1954 due to Cold War-era political pressure to differentiate America from the "godless commies" of the Soviet Union. However, this addition is growing more and more controversial due to its conflict with the principle of separation of church and state as outlined in the Constitution. Supporters of the phrase's inclusion claim that because most Americans are Christian, the phrase is a simple reflection of the will of the people. However, opponents of the phrase's presence in the Pledge argue that it is violates the constitutional principles of church-state separation and freedom of religion, as well as that the US is not a Christian nation.

My opinion:
The addition of "Under God" to the Pledge was unacceptable even considering the circumstances of the Cold War, and now that the Cold War has long been over, it is especially egregious. America is not meant to be a Christian nation, and this is especially true nowadays considering that more and more Americans are not following the Christian religion. Based on Pew Research data from 2012, 27 percent of Americans are not followers of Christianity. When the many non-Christians of America have to recite the Pledge, they are being forced to acknowledge a religious deity that they do not believe to exist. Also, the phrase's presence in the Pledge contradicts freedom of religion and separation of church and state as outlined in the Constitution.

So, what is your opinion? Should the phrase "under God" in the Pledge of Allegiance stay, or should it go?

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You don't "have" to recite the pledge by the way.

Yes, but our children are indoctrinated into it without reaching the age to critically think about its symbolism. Also, the government should not be sponsoring any religion or any god at all, it should have no stance whatsoever on religion, even if the majority says it should stay, that's not constitutional; the majority must respect the minority- a principle with which this country was founded upon.