"Under God" in the Pledge of Allegiance

[Divair]

Words cannot express how ridiculous that statement is.

Fair enough, Let me rephrase this Basically everybody I have ever met is some form of catholic, even people who aren't claim to be catholic I withdraw my previous statement as something idiotic I said without thinking

Do you live in the Vatican or something?

[Tlaceceyaya]

Doesn't that make them Catholic?

they are not catholic, they do not follow catholic traditions, they do not celebrate Christmas, they say they are catholic because it is to much of a pain for them to have to deal with crazy Catholics that live in the vacinity

Are you confusing Catholic with Christian?

[Miopic]

Fair enough, Let me rephrase this Basically everybody I have ever met is some form of catholic, even people who aren't claim to be catholic I withdraw my previous statement as something idiotic I said without thinking

Do you live in the Vatican or something?

I live in a small town in the Southern U.S.A about 90-ish? people live there we all know each other, and the largest buildings are the hospital the school and the church

[Divair]

Do you live in the Vatican or something?

I live in a small town in the Southern U.S.A about 90-ish? people live there we all know each other, and the largest buildings are the hospital the school and the church

Truly the best representative of the US population.

[Miopic]

I live in a small town in the Southern U.S.A about 90-ish? people live there we all know each other, and the largest buildings are the hospital the school and the church

Truly the best representative of the US population.

your right my original statement was idiotic and only thought of my immediate surroundings, that is why I retracted said statement.

[Divair]

Truly the best representative of the US population.

your right my original statement was idiotic and only thought of my immediate surroundings, that is why I retracted said statement.

Good idea.

[Tekania]

I see no reason to continue the error of its inclusion. It does nothing to the pledge but intentionally nullifying it by adding words which are divisive to it. So, I say take it back out of it.

why exactly are the words "under God" divisive to the pledge?

Because, not everyone believes in God, and the intent of our country and a core element of the pledge is indivisibility, which inclusion of that term is in fact an affront to.

[Stovokor]

why exactly are the words "under God" divisive to the pledge?

Because, not everyone believes in God, and the intent of our country and a core element of the pledge is indivisibility, which inclusion of that term is in fact an affront to.

There's also this little issue called the separation of church and state, of which the pledge quite conveniently puts the two right next to each other. And though we've survived for 59 years with it in, it's still a breech none the less.

[Katganistan]

2. I am an anti-intellectual barbarian, so I wouldn't exactly call myself a proponent of democracy.

Fix'd.

Yeah. *** Warned for flaming/baiting. ***

[Dyakovo]

Because they imply that the nation is under the Christian God.

No they don't. Again, the courts have ruled that the words "under God" have nothing to do with religion and are merely "ceremonial and patriotic in nature"

And the ruling that "under God" isn't a violation of the separation of church and state because it is "ceremonial and patriotic in nature" is absolute bullshit. You don't have to believe in a deity to be patriotic, and certainly don't have to believe in the christian god (which if you look at the history behind its addition, the "under God" obviously refers too) to be patriotic.

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Why even pledge your allegiance to a flag? I offer no allegiance to inanimate objects!!!1!!11!¹

In all seriousness I don't really understand the fuss It doesn't say what god², Even if though the us has no national religion basically everybody is some form of Catholic³, for those who aren't just don't say it.

1: You're pledging allegiance to the nation, not the flag specifically.
2: It doesn't have to.
3: Utter bollocks.

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[Miopic]

No they don't. Again, the courts have ruled that the words "under God" have nothing to do with religion and are merely "ceremonial and patriotic in nature"

And the ruling that "under God" isn't a violation of the separation of church and state because it is "ceremonial and patriotic in nature" is absolute bullshit. You don't have to believe in a deity to be patriotic, and certainly don't have to believe in the christian god (which if you look at the history behind its addition, the "under God" obviously refers too) to be patriotic.

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Why even pledge your allegiance to a flag? I offer no allegiance to inanimate objects!!!1!!11!¹

In all seriousness I don't really understand the fuss It doesn't say what god², Even if though the us has no national religion basically everybody is some form of Catholic³, for those who aren't just don't say it.

1: You're pledging allegiance to the nation, not the flag specifically.
2: It doesn't have to.
3: Utter bollocks.

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refer to poss made immediately after post in question I retracted the third statement as something I said without thinking of anything other than my immediate surroundings.

[The Archregimancy]

"Under God" should be removed; it never should have been added in 1954.

Similarly, "In God We Trust" never should have been made this official motto of the United States over the existing unofficial E Pluribus Unum in 1956 (though its use on US coins predates its adoption as an official motto), and it shouldn't be the state motto of Florida. Quite apart from the constitutional issues, E Pluribus Unum is a much better reflection of US national ideology anyway, and has never been replaced on the national seal.

However, no point in retrospectively removing "And this be our motto: 'In God is our Trust'" from the fourth stanza of the Star-Spangled Banner since that's the way Francis Scott Key wrote the original poem.

Finally, children who aren't US citizens shouldn't be forced to stand up and recite the Pledge.

Sorry; still have a chip on my shoulder about that last one some 30 years on.

[Shaggai]

"Under God" should be removed; it never should have been added in 1954.

Similarly, "In God We Trust" never should have been made this official motto of the United States over the existing unofficial E Pluribus Unum in 1956 (though its use on US coins predates its adoption as an official motto), and it shouldn't be the state motto of Florida. Quite apart from the constitutional issues, E Pluribus Unum is a much better reflection of US national ideology anyway, and has never been replaced on the national seal.

However, no point in retrospectively removing "And this be our motto: 'In God is our Trust'" from the fourth stanza of the Star-Spangled Banner since that's the way Francis Scott Key wrote the original poem.

Finally, children who aren't US citizens shouldn't be forced to stand up and recite the Pledge.

Sorry; still have a chip on my shoulder about that last one some 30 years on.

About the last one: Legally nobody can be forced to recite the Pledge. I agree on all the rest.

[Dyakovo]

"Under God" should be removed; it never should have been added in 1954.

Similarly, "In God We Trust" never should have been made this official motto of the United States over the existing unofficial E Pluribus Unum in 1956 (though its use on US coins predates its adoption as an official motto), and it shouldn't be the state motto of Florida. Quite apart from the constitutional issues, E Pluribus Unum is a much better reflection of US national ideology anyway, and has never been replaced on the national seal.

However, no point in retrospectively removing "And this be our motto: 'In God is our Trust'" from the fourth stanza of the Star-Spangled Banner since that's the way Francis Scott Key wrote the original poem.

Finally, children who aren't US citizens shouldn't be forced to stand up and recite the Pledge.

Sorry; still have a chip on my shoulder about that last one some 30 years on.

About the last one: Legally nobody can be forced to recite the Pledge. I agree on all the rest.

Thirty years ago that was not true...

[Shaggai]

About the last one: Legally nobody can be forced to recite the Pledge. I agree on all the rest.

Thirty years ago that was not true...

Yes, I know. My point was that what he advocated has already happened.

[Benuty]

"Under God" should be removed; it never should have been added in 1954.

Similarly, "In God We Trust" never should have been made this official motto of the United States over the existing unofficial E Pluribus Unum in 1956 (though its use on US coins predates its adoption as an official motto), and it shouldn't be the state motto of Florida. Quite apart from the constitutional issues, E Pluribus Unum is a much better reflection of US national ideology anyway, and has never been replaced on the national seal.

However, no point in retrospectively removing "And this be our motto: 'In God is our Trust'" from the fourth stanza of the Star-Spangled Banner since that's the way Francis Scott Key wrote the original poem.

Finally, children who aren't US citizens shouldn't be forced to stand up and recite the Pledge.

Sorry; still have a chip on my shoulder about that last one some 30 years on.

Do not know why you are complaining about it the christian and Jewish right and left have no loyalty to a piece of cloth let alone some words on a pledge. If anyone is to blame its the Tritheistic blood-cultists who infiltrated the US political, financial, and military system at the time.

[Farnhamia]

"Under God" should be removed; it never should have been added in 1954.

Similarly, "In God We Trust" never should have been made this official motto of the United States over the existing unofficial E Pluribus Unum in 1956 (though its use on US coins predates its adoption as an official motto), and it shouldn't be the state motto of Florida. Quite apart from the constitutional issues, E Pluribus Unum is a much better reflection of US national ideology anyway, and has never been replaced on the national seal.

However, no point in retrospectively removing "And this be our motto: 'In God is our Trust'" from the fourth stanza of the Star-Spangled Banner since that's the way Francis Scott Key wrote the original poem.

Finally, children who aren't US citizens shouldn't be forced to stand up and recite the Pledge.

Sorry; still have a chip on my shoulder about that last one some 30 years on.

Do not know why you are complaining about it the christian and Jewish right and left have no loyalty to a piece of cloth let alone some words on a pledge. If anyone is to blame its the Tritheistic blood-cultists who infiltrated the US political, financial, and military system at the time.

Are you channeling Bluth? And does he know about it?

[Divair]

"Under God" should be removed; it never should have been added in 1954.

Similarly, "In God We Trust" never should have been made this official motto of the United States over the existing unofficial E Pluribus Unum in 1956 (though its use on US coins predates its adoption as an official motto), and it shouldn't be the state motto of Florida. Quite apart from the constitutional issues, E Pluribus Unum is a much better reflection of US national ideology anyway, and has never been replaced on the national seal.

However, no point in retrospectively removing "And this be our motto: 'In God is our Trust'" from the fourth stanza of the Star-Spangled Banner since that's the way Francis Scott Key wrote the original poem.

Finally, children who aren't US citizens shouldn't be forced to stand up and recite the Pledge.

Sorry; still have a chip on my shoulder about that last one some 30 years on.

Do not know why you are complaining about it the christian and Jewish right and left have no loyalty to a piece of cloth let alone some words on a pledge. If anyone is to blame its the Tritheistic blood-cultists who infiltrated the US political, financial, and military system at the time.

u wot m8?


Because I'm very confused.

[Benuty]

Do not know why you are complaining about it the christian and Jewish right and left have no loyalty to a piece of cloth let alone some words on a pledge. If anyone is to blame its the Tritheistic blood-cultists who infiltrated the US political, financial, and military system at the time.

Are you channeling Bluth? And does he know about it?

*Hivemind telepathic powers activate summoning all members!*

[Kormanthor]

I think it sounds better with it in it.

[Kormanthor]

"Under God" should be removed; it never should have been added in 1954.

Similarly, "In God We Trust" never should have been made this official motto of the United States over the existing unofficial E Pluribus Unum in 1956 (though its use on US coins predates its adoption as an official motto), and it shouldn't be the state motto of Florida. Quite apart from the constitutional issues, E Pluribus Unum is a much better reflection of US national ideology anyway, and has never been replaced on the national seal.

However, no point in retrospectively removing "And this be our motto: 'In God is our Trust'" from the fourth stanza of the Star-Spangled Banner since that's the way Francis Scott Key wrote the original poem.

Finally, children who aren't US citizens shouldn't be forced to stand up and recite the Pledge.

Sorry; still have a chip on my shoulder about that last one some 30 years on.

I think it sounds better with it in it.

[Farnhamia]

"Under God" should be removed; it never should have been added in 1954.

Similarly, "In God We Trust" never should have been made this official motto of the United States over the existing unofficial E Pluribus Unum in 1956 (though its use on US coins predates its adoption as an official motto), and it shouldn't be the state motto of Florida. Quite apart from the constitutional issues, E Pluribus Unum is a much better reflection of US national ideology anyway, and has never been replaced on the national seal.

However, no point in retrospectively removing "And this be our motto: 'In God is our Trust'" from the fourth stanza of the Star-Spangled Banner since that's the way Francis Scott Key wrote the original poem.

Finally, children who aren't US citizens shouldn't be forced to stand up and recite the Pledge.

Sorry; still have a chip on my shoulder about that last one some 30 years on.

I think it sounds better with it in it.

No doubt. I think it sounds odd without it because it's always had it since I became aware of the Pledge. That doesn't mean it has to have it. After all, the phrase was a nose-thumb at the Communists during the 1950s. It's not really necessary now (it wasn't then either).

[Lost heros]

I think it sounds better with it in it.

Since when do sounds allow something to be unconstitutional.
"I know it's illegal to shoot someone, but I love the sound of people's screams..."

[Benuty]

"Under God" should be removed; it never should have been added in 1954.

Similarly, "In God We Trust" never should have been made this official motto of the United States over the existing unofficial E Pluribus Unum in 1956 (though its use on US coins predates its adoption as an official motto), and it shouldn't be the state motto of Florida. Quite apart from the constitutional issues, E Pluribus Unum is a much better reflection of US national ideology anyway, and has never been replaced on the national seal.

However, no point in retrospectively removing "And this be our motto: 'In God is our Trust'" from the fourth stanza of the Star-Spangled Banner since that's the way Francis Scott Key wrote the original poem.

Finally, children who aren't US citizens shouldn't be forced to stand up and recite the Pledge.

Sorry; still have a chip on my shoulder about that last one some 30 years on.

I think it sounds better with it in it.

The US was fine with out it, the christian & jewish left and right were getting along fine with others. Unfortunately in the 1950s tritheistic blood-cultists acted in the name of "Morality & anti-communism" and managed to force their way into the US via its political, military, and financial system. In turn they are to blame for the insanity of the late 1960s and 1970s which happened as a backlash to their rule.

[Benuty]

I think it sounds better with it in it.

No doubt. I think it sounds odd without it because it's always had it since I became aware of the Pledge. That doesn't mean it has to have it. After all, the phrase was a nose-thumb at the Communists during the 1950s. It's not really necessary now (it wasn't then either).

It was a red herring nose-thumb at communist to blind the masses of what was encroaching inside the US during the 1950s.