"Under God" in the Pledge of Allegiance

[Lord Tothe]

I just don't understand the fuss. Why would I pledge allegiance to a bit of cloth and the psychopaths who wave it to distract people from their misdeeds?

You're pledging allegiance to the republic for which it [the bit of cloth] stands, remember.

...which still isn't great, because having impressionable young children swear their loyalty to the state on a daily basis sounds a hell of a lot like political indoctrination. There's a reason the idea hasn't exactly caught on in just about any other democratic nation on earth.

Pretty much this.

[Abatael]

I like it. I support it. I want more of it (or stuff like it) everywhere.

I like that. I like, "In God we trust." I like, "So help me God." I like prayer in school. I like crucifixes in schools and hospitals. I like the Ten Commandments and the Nativity scene at courts and at schools. And so on. So, based on all that, it should be obvious that I support it and that I do not want it altered.

[Aurora Novus]

I like it. I support it. I want more of it (or stuff like it) everywhere.

I like that. I like, "In God we trust." I like, "So help me God." I like prayer in school. I like crucifixes in schools and hospitals. I like the Ten Commandments and the Nativity scene at courts and at schools. And so on. So, based on all that, it should be obvious that I support it and that I do not want it altered.

In other words, you like shoving religion down the throats of the populace?

[Abatael]

I like it. I support it. I want more of it (or stuff like it) everywhere.

I like that. I like, "In God we trust." I like, "So help me God." I like prayer in school. I like crucifixes in schools and hospitals. I like the Ten Commandments and the Nativity scene at courts and at schools. And so on. So, based on all that, it should be obvious that I support it and that I do not want it altered.

In other words, you like shoving religion down the throats of the populace?

If you can only understand it like that, then yes.

[Ifreann]

I like it. I support it. I want more of it (or stuff like it) everywhere.

I like that. I like, "In God we trust." I like, "So help me God." I like prayer in school. I like crucifixes in schools and hospitals. I like the Ten Commandments and the Nativity scene at courts and at schools. And so on. So, based on all that, it should be obvious that I support it and that I do not want it altered.

America may not be the country for you, then.

[Divair]

I like it. I support it. I want more of it (or stuff like it) everywhere.

I like that. I like, "In God we trust." I like, "So help me God." I like prayer in school. I like crucifixes in schools and hospitals. I like the Ten Commandments and the Nativity scene at courts and at schools. And so on. So, based on all that, it should be obvious that I support it and that I do not want it altered.

America may not be the country for you, then.

Maybe Uganda's a better fit.

[Lost heros]

I like it. I support it. I want more of it (or stuff like it) everywhere.

I like that. I like, "In God we trust." I like, "So help me God." I like prayer in school. I like crucifixes in schools and hospitals. I like the Ten Commandments and the Nativity scene at courts and at schools. And so on. So, based on all that, it should be obvious that I support it and that I do not want it altered.

I like the constitution. However, it seems you don't.

[Greed and Death]

It is harmless Ceremonial deism.

[Lost heros]

It is harmless Ceremonial deism.

Why do you hate the constitution?

[Abatael]

I like it. I support it. I want more of it (or stuff like it) everywhere.

I like that. I like, "In God we trust." I like, "So help me God." I like prayer in school. I like crucifixes in schools and hospitals. I like the Ten Commandments and the Nativity scene at courts and at schools. And so on. So, based on all that, it should be obvious that I support it and that I do not want it altered.

America may not be the country for you, then.

Yes. There are some policies I do not like or favor. But it's still my favorite country.

I like it. I support it. I want more of it (or stuff like it) everywhere.

I like that. I like, "In God we trust." I like, "So help me God." I like prayer in school. I like crucifixes in schools and hospitals. I like the Ten Commandments and the Nativity scene at courts and at schools. And so on. So, based on all that, it should be obvious that I support it and that I do not want it altered.

I like the constitution. However, it seems you don't.

I would like a revolution in terms of the Constitution. There are many things I do not agree with that are in it.

[Abatael]

It is harmless Ceremonial deism.

Why do you hate the constitution?

Enough of the petty, fallacious question, Lost heros.

[Ifreann]

America may not be the country for you, then.

Yes. There are some policies I do not like or favor. But it's still my favorite country.

Policies including the highest laws of the land, dating back to the nation's founding.

[Chinese Regions]

Yes, it should be removed.

[Eridel]

I like it. I support it. I want more of it (or stuff like it) everywhere.

I like that. I like, "In God we trust." I like, "So help me God." I like prayer in school. I like crucifixes in schools and hospitals. I like the Ten Commandments and the Nativity scene at courts and at schools. And so on. So, based on all that, it should be obvious that I support it and that I do not want it altered.

You like it because you're Catholic, and you want everybody to be Catholic.

[Lost heros]

America may not be the country for you, then.

Yes. There are some policies I do not like or favor. But it's still my favorite country.

I like the constitution. However, it seems you don't.

I would like a revolution in terms of the Constitution. There are many things I do not agree with that are in it.

So you don't like the things that give me the freedom to believe whatever I want and do whatever legal things I want. Good to know.

[Neo Rome Republic]

I like it. I support it. I want more of it (or stuff like it) everywhere.

I like that. I like, "In God we trust." I like, "So help me God." I like prayer in school. I like crucifixes in schools and hospitals. I like the Ten Commandments and the Nativity scene at courts and at schools. And so on. So, based on all that, it should be obvious that I support it and that I do not want it altered.

You like it because you're Catholic, and you want everybody to be Catholic.

*GASP* A Catholic *shoots himself in the head*

[Lost heros]

Why do you hate the constitution?

Enough of the petty, fallacious question, Lost heros.

I need a starting point somewhere.

[Aurora Novus]

In other words, you like shoving religion down the throats of the populace?

If you can only understand it like that, then yes.

What other way is there to understand it?

And you realize you live in a country with many beliefs. Why should yours get special recognition from the State and forced on others?

[Abatael]

I like it. I support it. I want more of it (or stuff like it) everywhere.

I like that. I like, "In God we trust." I like, "So help me God." I like prayer in school. I like crucifixes in schools and hospitals. I like the Ten Commandments and the Nativity scene at courts and at schools. And so on. So, based on all that, it should be obvious that I support it and that I do not want it altered.

You like it because you're Catholic, and you want everybody to be Catholic.

Where have you heard I'm Catholic?

Yes. There are some policies I do not like or favor. But it's still my favorite country.



I would like a revolution in terms of the Constitution. There are many things I do not agree with that are in it.

So you don't like the things that give me the freedom to believe whatever I want and do whatever legal things I want. Good to know.

I don't like the Establishment Clause in the 1st Amendment. And there are others. I won't be listing them out though.

If you can only understand it like that, then yes.

What other way is there to understand it?

And you realize you live in a country with many beliefs. Why should yours get special recognition from the State and forced on others?

I like to understand it as bringing the people to the right religion and getting rid of heresy. You understand it figuratively as "shoving religion down the throats of the populace."

Because I believe it's right, as does the majority of Americans and the government.

[Eridel]

If you can only understand it like that, then yes.

What other way is there to understand it?

And you realize you live in a country with many beliefs. Why should yours get special recognition from the State and forced on others?

There is no other way to understand it.
He wouldn't like it if a Muslim came up and said that the Pledge of Allegiance should say "In Allah We Trust."

[Eridel]

You like it because you're Catholic, and you want everybody to be Catholic.

Where have you heard I'm Catholic?

So you don't like the things that give me the freedom to believe whatever I want and do whatever legal things I want. Good to know.

I don't like the Establishment Clause in the 1st Amendment. And there are others. I won't be listing them out though.

What other way is there to understand it?

And you realize you live in a country with many beliefs. Why should yours get special recognition from the State and forced on others?

I like to understand it as bringing the people to the right religion and getting rid of heresy. You understand it figuratively as "shoving religion down the throats of the populace."

Because I believe it's right, as does the majority of Americans and the government.

"bringing people to the right religion"
And who are you to decide what is the "right" religion?

[Lost heros]

You like it because you're Catholic, and you want everybody to be Catholic.

Where have you heard I'm Catholic?

So you don't like the things that give me the freedom to believe whatever I want and do whatever legal things I want. Good to know.

I don't like the Establishment Clause in the 1st Amendment. And there are others. I won't be listing them out though.

What other way is there to understand it?

And you realize you live in a country with many beliefs. Why should yours get special recognition from the State and forced on others?

I like to understand it as bringing the people to the right religion and getting rid of heresy. You understand it figuratively as "shoving religion down the throats of the populace."

Because I believe it's right, as does the majority of Americans and the government.

The establishment clause allows me to believe whatever I want to believe. I'm glad you want to restrict my freedoms.

[Aurora Novus]

I like to understand it as bringing the people to the right religion and getting rid of heresy.

1) The "right" religion? As defined by who? You? Because I disagree entirely. And so do many many others.

2) You live in a democracy. Not a theocratic, totalitarian state. A democracy must be secular for it to function properly. Or do you dislike the whole notion of democracy as well?

3) There is no right religion, because all religions are false, yours included. You are deluded.

You understand it figuratively as "shoving religion down the throats of the populace."

Because that's exactly what it is. It's you trying to cram your religion into everyone's life, by means of legal endorsement.

Because I believe it's right, as does the majority of Americans and the government.

You can think it's right, but you're wrong.

[Neo Rome Republic]

You like it because you're Catholic, and you want everybody to be Catholic.

Where have you heard I'm Catholic?

So you don't like the things that give me the freedom to believe whatever I want and do whatever legal things I want. Good to know.

I don't like the Establishment Clause in the 1st Amendment. And there are others. I won't be listing them out though.

What other way is there to understand it?

And you realize you live in a country with many beliefs. Why should yours get special recognition from the State and forced on others?

I like to understand it as bringing the people to the right religion and getting rid of heresy. You understand it figuratively as "shoving religion down the throats of the populace."

Because I believe it's right, as does the majority of Americans and the government.

34% of Americans support Christianity as state Religion which is a lot of people, but isn't a majority. However 47% oppose it, so you're wrong on that point.

[Abatael]

What other way is there to understand it?

And you realize you live in a country with many beliefs. Why should yours get special recognition from the State and forced on others?

There is no other way to understand it.
He wouldn't like it if a Muslim came up and said that the Pledge of Allegiance should say "In Allah We Trust."

That would be wrong because the motto is, "In God We Trust." And, "In God We Trust" is not in the Pledge, so . . .

And where did you hear I'm Catholic?

Where have you heard I'm Catholic?



I don't like the Establishment Clause in the 1st Amendment. And there are others. I won't be listing them out though.



I like to understand it as bringing the people to the right religion and getting rid of heresy. You understand it figuratively as "shoving religion down the throats of the populace."

Because I believe it's right, as does the majority of Americans and the government.

The establishment clause allows me to believe whatever I want to believe. I'm glad you want to restrict my freedoms.

I'm well aware of what it allows. You should know that I'm not some liberal, who is obsessed with freedom.

I like to understand it as bringing the people to the right religion and getting rid of heresy.

1) The "right" religion? As defined by who? You? Because I disagree entirely. And so do many many others.

2) You live in a democracy. Not a theocratic, totalitarian state. A democracy must be secular for it to function properly. Or do you dislike the whole notion of democracy as well?

3) There is no right religion, because all religions are false, yours included. You are deluded.

1. As defined by me. You can disagree.
2. I am Fascist, so I wouldn't exactly call myself a proponent of democracy.
3. "There is no other right religion, because all other religion are false, including atheism. You are deluded." See? It's not that hard to say the opposite.

You understand it figuratively as "shoving religion down the throats of the populace."

Because that's exactly what it is. It's you trying to cram your religion into everyone's life, by means of legal endorsement.

What is it exactly? It's bringing people to the right religion through mottoes such as "Under God." That's why it's good and is being kept around. Come on, Aurora Novus; it's really not hard to issue claims like that. And it's not germane.

Because I believe it's right, as does the majority of Americans and the government.

You can think it's right, but you're wrong.

Really, now. You're posts are just getting old.

Where have you heard I'm Catholic?



I don't like the Establishment Clause in the 1st Amendment. And there are others. I won't be listing them out though.



I like to understand it as bringing the people to the right religion and getting rid of heresy. You understand it figuratively as "shoving religion down the throats of the populace."

Because I believe it's right, as does the majority of Americans and the government.

34% of Americans support Christianity as state Religion which is a lot of people, but isn't a majority. However 47% oppose it, so you're wrong on that point.

I was talking about a majority of Americans and government officials are Christian, not that they support Christianity as a state religion. Although, where did you hear that statistic from?