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Should the phrase "under God" be removed from the Pledge of Allegiance?

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Postby Lost heros » Sat Sep 07, 2013 10:18 am

Lord Tothe wrote:
Lost heros wrote:1. Pledge of Allegiance is included in the US Flag code, which is a law.
2. "Under God" refers to the Christian God, based on the fact that Muslims almost exclusively refer to their deity as Allah and the Jews to their deity as Adonai.
3. By referring to the Christian God, Congress shows respect to Christianity.
4. Therefore, including "Under God" in the pledge of allegiance is unconstitutional.

"Respecting" in the context of the amendment doesn't mean "Honoring" or "revering", it was more like a synonym for "regarding" or "on the subject of."

Good to know. That supplements my argument further.
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Postby Union Of Canadorian Socialists Republic » Sat Sep 07, 2013 11:22 am

What's wrong with the words "under God?" All three Abrahamic religions believe in the same God, so God does not just mean the Christian God.
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Postby Ifreann » Sat Sep 07, 2013 11:26 am

Union Of Canadorian Socialists Republic wrote:What's wrong with the words "under God?" All three Abrahamic religions believe in the same God, so God does not just mean the Christian God.

Yes it does, as Jews and Muslims don't usually refer to their deity as 'God'. Besides which, 'under God' was added to the pledge in the 50s. And besides that, even if you're right, it's still unconstitutional.

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Postby Union Of Canadorian Socialists Republic » Sat Sep 07, 2013 11:32 am

Ifreann wrote:
Union Of Canadorian Socialists Republic wrote:

Yes it does, as Jews and Muslims don't usually refer to their deity as 'God'. Besides which, 'under God' was added to the pledge in the 50s. And besides that, even if you're right, it's still unconstitutional.

God is an English word. Judaism and Islam have their own words for God.

And how is it unconstitutional?
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Postby Arumdaum » Sat Sep 07, 2013 11:33 am

Union Of Canadorian Socialists Republic wrote:What's wrong with the words "under God?" All three Abrahamic religions believe in the same God, so God does not just mean the Christian God.

The US is a secular nation, for one.

You really think it was made while also thinking of Jews and Muslims?
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Postby Genivaria » Sat Sep 07, 2013 11:40 am

Union Of Canadorian Socialists Republic wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Yes it does, as Jews and Muslims don't usually refer to their deity as 'God'. Besides which, 'under God' was added to the pledge in the 50s. And besides that, even if you're right, it's still unconstitutional.

God is an English word. Judaism and Islam have their own words for God.

And how is it unconstitutional?

How many times has this already been answered?

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Postby Ifreann » Sat Sep 07, 2013 11:41 am

Union Of Canadorian Socialists Republic wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Yes it does, as Jews and Muslims don't usually refer to their deity as 'God'. Besides which, 'under God' was added to the pledge in the 50s. And besides that, even if you're right, it's still unconstitutional.

God is an English word. Judaism and Islam have their own words for God.

Yes, and they tend to use them even when speaking English. And again, this was the 50s, it's silly to think that politicians of the day were declaring the US to be one nation under anything but the Christian God.

And how is it unconstitutional?

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion" ring any bells?

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Postby Benuty » Sat Sep 07, 2013 11:42 am

The pledge of allegiance is a false abhorrent construct that serves a cultic indoctrination practice. Christians and Jews should not swear oaths and make promises to secular authorities, oaths can only be legitimately made to Adonai nothing more.
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Postby Lost heros » Sat Sep 07, 2013 1:11 pm

Union Of Canadorian Socialists Republic wrote:What's wrong with the words "under God?" All three Abrahamic religions believe in the same God, so God does not just mean the Christian God.

Poor Hindus, Buddhists, pagans, atheists...
Union Of Canadorian Socialists Republic wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Yes it does, as Jews and Muslims don't usually refer to their deity as 'God'. Besides which, 'under God' was added to the pledge in the 50s. And besides that, even if you're right, it's still unconstitutional.

God is an English word. Judaism and Islam have their own words for God.

And how is it unconstitutional?

First amendment look it up.
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Union Of Canadorian Socialists Republic wrote:God is an English word. Judaism and Islam have their own words for God.

And how is it unconstitutional?

How many times has this already been answered?

Too many times.
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Postby Divair » Sat Sep 07, 2013 1:12 pm

Union Of Canadorian Socialists Republic wrote:What's wrong with the words "under God?" All three Abrahamic religions believe in the same God, so God does not just mean the Christian God.

Still unconstitutional. Do we have to go over this again ffs?

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Postby Salandriagado » Sat Sep 07, 2013 4:19 pm

Union Of Canadorian Socialists Republic wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Yes it does, as Jews and Muslims don't usually refer to their deity as 'God'. Besides which, 'under God' was added to the pledge in the 50s. And besides that, even if you're right, it's still unconstitutional.

God is an English word. Judaism and Islam have their own words for God.

And how is it unconstitutional?


Because it is a law respecting an establishment of religion made by congress.

Union Of Canadorian Socialists Republic wrote:What's wrong with the words "under God?" All three Abrahamic religions believe in the same God, so God does not just mean the Christian God.


There are more than three religions in the world.
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Postby Vazdania » Sat Sep 07, 2013 4:21 pm

Union Of Canadorian Socialists Republic wrote:What's wrong with the words "under God?" All three Abrahamic religions believe in the same God, so God does not just mean the Christian God.

Your argument is fail...as that would violate the establishment clause.
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Postby Torisakia » Sat Sep 07, 2013 4:21 pm

Union Of Canadorian Socialists Republic wrote:What's wrong with the words "under God?" All three Abrahamic religions believe in the same God, so God does not just mean the Christian God.

For one, it's unconstitutional.

And second, why should I be forced to believe in a fairytale?
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Postby Vazdania » Sat Sep 07, 2013 4:21 pm

Benuty wrote:The pledge of allegiance is a false abhorrent construct that serves a cultic indoctrination practice. Christians and Jews should not swear oaths and make promises to secular authorities, oaths can only be legitimately made to Adonai nothing more.

THANK YOU.
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Postby Minarchist States » Sat Sep 07, 2013 4:28 pm

Vazdania wrote:
Benuty wrote:The pledge of allegiance is a false abhorrent construct that serves a cultic indoctrination practice. Christians and Jews should not swear oaths and make promises to secular authorities, oaths can only be legitimately made to Adonai nothing more.

THANK YOU.


Indeed. Get rid of the pledge, it's not needed; it only serves as a statist brainwashing machine to control the sheeple.
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Postby Common Territories » Sat Sep 07, 2013 5:53 pm

Warda wrote:1. You don't have to say it
2. God can refer to any god
3. I think it sounds better with it in it


I saw this days ago and I was gonna write seriously on the topic but I looked at the post above that I quote and I see that I was beaten very fast. So I advise to take the rational sense above instead of making this issue any farther insane then I expect it has become on NSG.

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Postby Lost heros » Sat Sep 07, 2013 5:57 pm

Common Territories wrote:
Warda wrote:1. You don't have to say it
2. God can refer to any god
3. I think it sounds better with it in it


I saw this days ago and I was gonna write seriously on the topic but I looked at the post above that I quote and I see that I was beaten very fast. So I advise to take the rational sense above instead of making this issue any farther insane then I expect it has become on NSG.

Are you saying you support the post you quoted?
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Postby Blasveck » Sat Sep 07, 2013 5:58 pm

Minarchist States wrote:
Vazdania wrote:THANK YOU.


Indeed. Get rid of the pledge, it's not needed; it only serves as a statist brainwashing machine to control the sheeple.


Can't tell if serious....
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Sat Sep 07, 2013 6:04 pm

Union Of Canadorian Socialists Republic wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Yes it does, as Jews and Muslims don't usually refer to their deity as 'God'. Besides which, 'under God' was added to the pledge in the 50s. And besides that, even if you're right, it's still unconstitutional.

God is an English word. Judaism and Islam have their own words for God.

And how is it unconstitutional?


Because fuck the hindus, sikhs, buddhists, zoroastrians, taoists, shintoists, pagans, etc amirite?
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Postby Lord Tothe » Sat Sep 07, 2013 7:25 pm

I just don't understand the fuss. Why would I pledge allegiance to a bit of cloth and the psychopaths who wave it to distract people from their misdeeds?
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Postby Benuty » Sat Sep 07, 2013 8:16 pm

Ostroeuropa wrote:
Union Of Canadorian Socialists Republic wrote:God is an English word. Judaism and Islam have their own words for God.

And how is it unconstitutional?


Because fuck the hindus, sikhs, buddhists, zoroastrians, taoists, shintoists, pagans, etc amirite?


To be fair the deity referred to in the pledge is descended from the Semitic pagan cultic influences, this harlotrous pledge should hardly concern the abrahamic religions who owe no true loyalty to it at all.
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Postby Frisivisia » Sat Sep 07, 2013 8:44 pm

Lord Tothe wrote:I just don't understand the fuss. Why would I pledge allegiance to a bit of cloth and the psychopaths who wave it to distract people from their misdeeds?

The bit of cloth is representative of America and the "psychopaths" are elected officials.

By the way, have you got a bandage or anything? I cut myself on your post.
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Postby Shaggai » Sat Sep 07, 2013 8:53 pm

Benuty wrote:The pledge of allegiance is a false abhorrent construct that serves a cultic indoctrination practice. Christians and Jews should not swear oaths and make promises to secular authorities, oaths can only be legitimately made to Adonai nothing more.

Don't swear oaths even to God. Let your yea be yea and your nay be nay. Keep to one standard of truth. Affirm if you will. But you should not swear.
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Postby Icamera » Sat Sep 07, 2013 9:20 pm

Lord Tothe wrote:I just don't understand the fuss. Why would I pledge allegiance to a bit of cloth and the psychopaths who wave it to distract people from their misdeeds?

You're pledging allegiance to the republic for which it [the bit of cloth] stands, remember.

...which still isn't great, because having impressionable young children swear their loyalty to the state on a daily basis sounds a hell of a lot like political indoctrination. There's a reason the idea hasn't exactly caught on in just about any other democratic nation on earth.
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Postby Benuty » Sat Sep 07, 2013 9:22 pm

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Lord Tothe wrote:I just don't understand the fuss. Why would I pledge allegiance to a bit of cloth and the psychopaths who wave it to distract people from their misdeeds?

You're pledging allegiance to the republic for which it [the bit of cloth] stands, remember.

...which still isn't great, because having impressionable young children swear their loyalty to the state on a daily basis sounds a hell of a lot like political indoctrination. There's a reason the idea hasn't exactly caught on in just about any other democratic nation on earth.

People need to realize the cold war is over, its almost as if the policies are being set against the removal of a cold war attitude.
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