by Regnum Dominae » Tue Sep 03, 2013 8:01 pm
by Maklohi Vai » Tue Sep 03, 2013 8:04 pm
by Genivaria » Tue Sep 03, 2013 8:04 pm
Warda wrote:1. You don't have to say it
2. God can refer to any god
3. I think it sounds better with it in it
by Regnum Dominae » Tue Sep 03, 2013 8:05 pm
Warda wrote:1. You don't have to say it
2. God can refer to any god
3. I think it sounds better with it in it
by The Scientific States » Tue Sep 03, 2013 8:09 pm
by Maklohi Vai » Tue Sep 03, 2013 8:09 pm
by Pandeeria » Tue Sep 03, 2013 8:09 pm
The Scientific States wrote:Remove it, for a nation that claims to have no state religion, it seems Christianity is the state religion due to the countless references of the Christian God in our government, having our president swear to oath with a bible etc.
Lavochkin wrote:Never got why educated people support communism.
In capitalism, you pretty much have a 50/50 chance of being rich or poor. In communism, it's 1/99. What makes people think they have the luck/skill to become the 1% if they can't even succeed in a 50/50 society???
by Genivaria » Tue Sep 03, 2013 8:11 pm
Pandeeria wrote:"Under God" should be removed from the pledge, and "In god we trust" shouldn't be our motto. We could just change the god part to something like "In liberty we trust" or "In justice he trust" or "In freedom we trust" etc.
by Mike the Progressive » Tue Sep 03, 2013 8:13 pm
by Dyakovo » Tue Sep 03, 2013 8:13 pm
Regnum Dominae wrote:"I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."
These words were added to the Pledge in 1954 due to Cold War-era political pressure to differentiate America from the "godless commies" of the Soviet Union. However, this addition is growing more and more controversial due to its conflict with the principle of separation of church and state as outlined in the Constitution. Supporters of the phrase's inclusion claim that because most Americans are Christian, the phrase is a simple reflection of the will of the people. However, opponents of the phrase's presence in the Pledge argue that it is violates the constitutional principles of church-state separation and freedom of religion, as well as that the US is not a Christian nation.
My opinion:
The addition of "Under God" to the Pledge was unacceptable even considering the circumstances of the Cold War, and now that the Cold War has long been over, it is especially egregious. America is not meant to be a Christian nation, and this is especially true nowadays considering that more and more Americans are not following the Christian religion. Based on Pew Research data from 2012, 27 percent of Americans are not followers of Christianity. When the many non-Christians of America have to recite the Pledge, they are being forced to acknowledge a religious deity that they do not believe to exist. Also, the phrase's presence in the Pledge contradicts freedom of religion and separation of church and state as outlined in the Constitution.
So, what is your opinion? Should the phrase "under God" in the Pledge of Allegiance stay, or should it go?
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by Warda » Tue Sep 03, 2013 8:14 pm
Mike the Progressive wrote:I honestly don't have a problem with it either way. Remove it, keep it, I'm really indifferent.
Las Palmeras wrote:Decent enough for the Middle East.
by Pandeeria » Tue Sep 03, 2013 8:14 pm
Lavochkin wrote:Never got why educated people support communism.
In capitalism, you pretty much have a 50/50 chance of being rich or poor. In communism, it's 1/99. What makes people think they have the luck/skill to become the 1% if they can't even succeed in a 50/50 society???
by Mike the Progressive » Tue Sep 03, 2013 8:15 pm
by Geilinor » Tue Sep 03, 2013 8:15 pm
Warda wrote:1. You don't have to say it
2. God can refer to any god
3. I think it sounds better with it in it
by Mike the Progressive » Tue Sep 03, 2013 8:16 pm
Geilinor wrote:Warda wrote:1. You don't have to say it
2. God can refer to any god
3. I think it sounds better with it in it
1. Having it there is still close to state sponsorship of theism.
2. Not everyone believes in a God.
3. "Under glorious and beautiful God" sounds even better, does that mean we should change it to that?
by Geilinor » Tue Sep 03, 2013 8:16 pm
by Geilinor » Tue Sep 03, 2013 8:17 pm
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