Posted: Tue Sep 03, 2013 5:38 pmNeed a name wrote:Gah! You don't understand at all. Good bye.
See, that's something someone would say when they're not arguing.
See, that's something someone would say when they're not arguing.
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Posted: Tue Sep 03, 2013 5:38 pmSee, that's something someone would say when they're not arguing.
Posted: Tue Sep 03, 2013 5:38 pmNeed a name wrote:Skrewalkers wrote:
I particularly enjoy how they went from this:
Declaring the matter solved, to quickly shifting gears to:
"I don't have time to debate! I need three hours! I need to read more books! I don't have time to debate!"
when confronted with several reasons the matter is not so easily solved.
I really think this might be an atheist here pretending to be Christian to make Christians look bad.
Gah! You don't understand at all. Good bye.
You don't understand, but I won't tell you why!
Posted: Tue Sep 03, 2013 5:44 pmWith Teeth wrote:
You don't understand, but I won't tell you why!
Maybe it's a Zen koan.
Repeating it to myself...repeating...repeating....repeating it...
Okay, my mind is clear. I'm enlightened.
No, shit, wait, I've lost it.
Posted: Tue Sep 03, 2013 7:44 pmMy philosophy professor told me philosophical questions aren't something you can solve. He had a Ph.D, so I trust him.
But, I'll give it a shot.
FUCKING DUH.
But, I'll give it a shot.
FUCKING DUH.
Posted: Tue Sep 03, 2013 7:44 pmThe Rich Port wrote:My philosophy professor told me philosophical questions aren't something you can solve. He had a Ph.D, so I trust him.
But, I'll give it a shot.
FUCKING DUH.
I disagree with him.
Posted: Tue Sep 03, 2013 7:45 pm“Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?”
~Epicurus
I think this pretty much "answers" it.
~Epicurus
I think this pretty much "answers" it.
Posted: Tue Sep 03, 2013 7:46 pmPandeeria wrote:“Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?”
~Epicurus
"A witty saying proves nothing."
-Voltaire
Posted: Tue Sep 03, 2013 7:46 pmPandeeria wrote:“Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?”
~Epicurus
1: It did not come from Epicurus.
2: God can have morally sufficient reasons for allowing evil, making the logical problem of evil unsound.
Posted: Tue Sep 03, 2013 7:46 pmBlasveck wrote:Pandeeria wrote:“Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?”
~Epicurus
"A witty saying proves nothing."
-Voltaire
''A witty saying from Voltaire proves nothing.'' -With Teeth
Posted: Tue Sep 03, 2013 7:47 pm
Posted: Tue Sep 03, 2013 7:47 pmWith Teeth wrote:Pandeeria wrote:“Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?”
~Epicurus
1: It did not come from Epicurus.
2: God can have morally sufficient reasons for allowing evil, making the logical problem of evil unsound.
I believe it was from Epicurus.
What morally sufficient reasons are there for allowing evil in the first place?
Posted: Tue Sep 03, 2013 7:47 pmPandeeria wrote:“Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?”
~Epicurus
I think this pretty much "answers" it.
"I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things." ~Isaiah 45:7
Posted: Tue Sep 03, 2013 7:48 pmPandeeria wrote:“Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?”
~Epicurus
I think this pretty much "answers" it.
Do the last time, he doesn't not control our lives. We are supposed to make the right decisions in life.
Posted: Tue Sep 03, 2013 7:49 pmVazdania wrote:Pandeeria wrote:“Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?”
~Epicurus
I think this pretty much "answers" it.
"I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things." ~Isaiah 45:7
"This shit is bananas: B-A-N-A-N-A-S" - Gwen Stefani on The Bible.
Posted: Tue Sep 03, 2013 7:49 pmSmoya wrote:Pandeeria wrote:“Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?”
~Epicurus
I think this pretty much "answers" it.
Do the last time, he doesn't not control our lives. We are supposed to make the right decisions in life.
But why does god allow evil? Why does he allow sin? Why does it allow that when everyone can be happy (and still control their lives) without burning in hell?
Posted: Tue Sep 03, 2013 7:50 pmPosted: Tue Sep 03, 2013 7:51 pmHe can't stop us from committing evil acts. It's OUR lives. He can't control is, but to help guide us. Think of a parent. They can't stop their child from being bad. When they do they spank them; but the parent always loves the child even in spankings.
See?
Posted: Tue Sep 03, 2013 7:51 pmHow are we more readily changed? By positive experiences, or painful experiences?
Posted: Tue Sep 03, 2013 7:52 pmAll that needs to be asserted is the modal possibility that morally sufficient reasons exist. As an omniscient being, god would understand more than we do. You have to show that gratuitous evil exists.
Posted: Tue Sep 03, 2013 7:52 pmSmoya wrote:Pandeeria wrote:“Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?”
~Epicurus
I think this pretty much "answers" it.
Do the last time, he doesn't not control our lives. We are supposed to make the right decisions in life.
That's weird, because he sticks his big Godly nose in everyone's business in The Bible.
Hell, he's had his nose up the ass of humanity since CREATION.
Posted: Tue Sep 03, 2013 7:52 pmPrins Maurits wrote:This is a good question :
If God was completely good then he would want to stop all evil, if God was completely powerful then he could stop all evil, but evil exists....so does that mean that God is not completely good or not completely powerful, or does god not exist?
Please post your ideas about this question!
God doesn't exist, but not because of this. If God did exist he certainly would not be all good.
Posted: Tue Sep 03, 2013 7:52 pmPosted: Tue Sep 03, 2013 7:54 pmWith Teeth wrote:Pandeeria wrote:
I believe it was from Epicurus.
What morally sufficient reasons are there for allowing evil in the first place?
All that needs to be asserted is the modal possibility that morally sufficient reasons exist. As an omniscient being, god would understand more than we do. You have to show that gratuitous evil exists.
So just assume that he knows better than us? What of the fact that religion has no true supporting evidence?
Posted: Tue Sep 03, 2013 7:54 pmWell if we look at recidivism rates concerning crime vs rehab, that could be a basis.
Prison = Painful
Rehab = Positive
If that makes sense, at all.
Posted: Tue Sep 03, 2013 7:57 pmPandeeria wrote:With Teeth wrote:
All that needs to be asserted is the modal possibility that morally sufficient reasons exist. As an omniscient being, god would understand more than we do. You have to show that gratuitous evil exists.
So just assume that he knows better than us? What of the fact that religion has no true supporting evidence?
Assume that the premises ''gratuitous evil exists'' has not been supported.