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Postby Shaggai » Tue Sep 03, 2013 5:23 pm

Of course there is a one supreme God who created everything. Why would It conflict with evil?

Edit: I mean Azathoth, of course. I realize that that may have been a rather confusing phrasing.
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Postby Need a Name » Tue Sep 03, 2013 5:23 pm

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Need a name wrote:I don't have the time nor the patients to debate.


Maybe you should close your practice.


I seriously don't have the time to debate right now. And I want to read a couple more books before I debate with anybody.
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Postby Skrewalkers » Tue Sep 03, 2013 5:23 pm

Need a name wrote:
I don't have the time nor the patients to debate. And you know nothing of my faith, God creating the universe is completely logical. Your perception of what I believe is flawed.


So you have the time to re-insist on your conclusions, but not enough to actually debate them. On a debate thread. Which is on a debate board.

I would think the time and patience necessary to comprehend the universe enough to confidently declare the existence of a God would exceed the time and patience necessary to articulate and defend that conclusion.
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Postby With Teeth » Tue Sep 03, 2013 5:24 pm

Need a name wrote:
With Teeth wrote:
Maybe you should close your practice.


I seriously don't have the time to debate right now. And I want to read a couple more books before I debate with anybody.


Then why are you here?
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Postby Need a Name » Tue Sep 03, 2013 5:25 pm

Skrewalkers wrote:
Need a name wrote:
I don't have the time nor the patients to debate. And you know nothing of my faith, God creating the universe is completely logical. Your perception of what I believe is flawed.


So you have the time to re-insist on your conclusions, but not enough to actually debate them. On a debate thread. Which is on a debate board.

I would think the time and patience necessary to comprehend the universe enough to confidently declare the existence of a God would exceed the time and patience necessary to articulate and defend that conclusion.


You don't get it, I don't have three hours for a debate that never goes anywhere.
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Postby Skrewalkers » Tue Sep 03, 2013 5:25 pm

Need a name wrote:
With Teeth wrote:
Maybe you should close your practice.


I seriously don't have the time to debate right now. And I want to read a couple more books before I debate with anybody.


Okay, I'm not asking this to be mean, honestly.

But are you actually an atheist here to misrepresent Christians as being incapable of sound discussion? It's fine if you are, I just can't tell.

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Postby With Teeth » Tue Sep 03, 2013 5:26 pm

Need a name wrote:
Skrewalkers wrote:
So you have the time to re-insist on your conclusions, but not enough to actually debate them. On a debate thread. Which is on a debate board.

I would think the time and patience necessary to comprehend the universe enough to confidently declare the existence of a God would exceed the time and patience necessary to articulate and defend that conclusion.


You don't get it, I don't have three hours for a debate that never goes anywhere.


Then don't post arguments.
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Postby Need a Name » Tue Sep 03, 2013 5:26 pm

Skrewalkers wrote:
Need a name wrote:
I seriously don't have the time to debate right now. And I want to read a couple more books before I debate with anybody.


Okay, I'm not asking this to be mean, honestly.

But are you actually an atheist here to misrepresent Christians as being incapable of sound discussion? It's fine if you are, I just can't tell.


I'm a Christian that doesn't have the time to debate.
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Postby Skrewalkers » Tue Sep 03, 2013 5:27 pm

Need a name wrote:
Skrewalkers wrote:
So you have the time to re-insist on your conclusions, but not enough to actually debate them. On a debate thread. Which is on a debate board.

I would think the time and patience necessary to comprehend the universe enough to confidently declare the existence of a God would exceed the time and patience necessary to articulate and defend that conclusion.


You don't get it, I don't have three hours for a debate that never goes anywhere.


But if you substituted your repeated insistences that you don't have time to debate with at least some non-zoero reasonable attempts at debate, you could at least make progress.

Nobody suggests that matter will be settled in the length of a Kubrick movie. But each post you spend saying that you don't want to debate could have been spent at least trying to debate and addressing the specific post you were replying to, which can be done in equal or less time then you've already spent saying you don't want to debate.

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Postby With Teeth » Tue Sep 03, 2013 5:27 pm

Need a name wrote:
Skrewalkers wrote:
Okay, I'm not asking this to be mean, honestly.

But are you actually an atheist here to misrepresent Christians as being incapable of sound discussion? It's fine if you are, I just can't tell.


I'm a Christian that doesn't have the time to debate.


Are your material desire more important than Christ's command to "Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have'?
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Postby Skrewalkers » Tue Sep 03, 2013 5:28 pm

Need a name wrote:
Skrewalkers wrote:
Okay, I'm not asking this to be mean, honestly.

But are you actually an atheist here to misrepresent Christians as being incapable of sound discussion? It's fine if you are, I just can't tell.


I'm a Christian that doesn't have the time to debate.


But you've had time to post four posts that you don't have time to debate.

Could you have posted four reasonable responses to the points made by other posters in that exact same time?

None of them took three hours to compose their replies.

"I don't have time to debate! Now excuse me, I need to post my fifth post about how I don't have time to post something that addresses the issue."

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Postby Need a Name » Tue Sep 03, 2013 5:29 pm

With Teeth wrote:
Need a name wrote:
You don't get it, I don't have three hours for a debate that never goes anywhere.


Then don't post arguments.


How am I arguing?
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Postby Pensalum » Tue Sep 03, 2013 5:29 pm

Need a name wrote:
With Teeth wrote:
Then don't post arguments.


How am I arguing?

If you weren't arguing you would just say ok and leave...
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Postby Skrewalkers » Tue Sep 03, 2013 5:30 pm

Need a name wrote:
With Teeth wrote:
Then don't post arguments.


How am I arguing?


That was never five minutes.

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Postby Smoya » Tue Sep 03, 2013 5:31 pm

He can't control us, that's why. We're supposed to make the right decision.
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Postby Need a Name » Tue Sep 03, 2013 5:31 pm

Pensalum wrote:
Need a name wrote:
How am I arguing?

If you weren't arguing you would just say ok and leave...


Say"okay" to what?
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Postby Liriena » Tue Sep 03, 2013 5:32 pm

Need a name wrote:
Prins Maurits wrote:This is a good question :

If God was completely good then he would want to stop all evil, if God was completely powerful then he could stop all evil, but evil exists....so does that mean that God is not completely good or not completely powerful, or does god not exist?

Please post your ideas about this question!


first: God exists. Second: God could(and will) destroy evil, he doesn't because he gives us free will to decide our lives.
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Postby Pensalum » Tue Sep 03, 2013 5:33 pm

Need a name wrote:
Pensalum wrote:If you weren't arguing you would just say ok and leave...


Say"okay" to what?

Ok to the fact that people are saying you're arguing.
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Postby With Teeth » Tue Sep 03, 2013 5:33 pm

Need a name wrote:
With Teeth wrote:
Then don't post arguments.


How am I arguing?


You started making assertions, and then spent the subsequent twenty minutes or so saying you didn't have the time to debate.
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Postby Need a Name » Tue Sep 03, 2013 5:33 pm

With Teeth wrote:
Need a name wrote:
I'm a Christian that doesn't have the time to debate.


Are your material desire more important than Christ's command to "Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have'?


Me not having time has nothing to do with my material desire. I want to debate when I have an argument fully formed so that I will show that God does exist.
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Postby Skrewalkers » Tue Sep 03, 2013 5:35 pm

With Teeth wrote:
Need a name wrote:
How am I arguing?


You started making assertions, and then spent the subsequent twenty minutes or so saying you didn't have the time to debate.


I particularly enjoy how they went from this:
Need a name wrote:first: God exists. Second: God could(and will) destroy evil, he doesn't because he gives us free will to decide our lives.
Solved


Declaring the matter solved, to quickly shifting gears to:

"I don't have time to debate! I need three hours! I need to read more books! I don't have time to debate!"

when confronted with several reasons the matter is not so easily solved.

I really think this might be an atheist here pretending to be Christian to make Christians look bad.

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Postby Need a Name » Tue Sep 03, 2013 5:36 pm

Skrewalkers wrote:
With Teeth wrote:
You started making assertions, and then spent the subsequent twenty minutes or so saying you didn't have the time to debate.


I particularly enjoy how they went from this:
Need a name wrote:first: God exists. Second: God could(and will) destroy evil, he doesn't because he gives us free will to decide our lives.
Solved


Declaring the matter solved, to quickly shifting gears to:

"I don't have time to debate! I need three hours! I need to read more books! I don't have time to debate!"

when confronted with several reasons the matter is not so easily solved.

I really think this might be an atheist here pretending to be Christian to make Christians look bad.

Gah! You don't understand at all. Good bye.
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"Better to fight for something than live for nothing." -- George S. Patton Jr.

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Postby Skrewalkers » Tue Sep 03, 2013 5:37 pm

Need a name wrote:
With Teeth wrote:
Are your material desire more important than Christ's command to "Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have'?


Me not having time has nothing to do with my material desire. I want to debate when I have an argument fully formed so that I will show that God does exist.


And how did you arrive at the conclusion without having first fully formed the argument?

You realize that your'e admitting that your conclusion (and you certainty of it) has preceded the composition of a "fully formed" argument in favor of it, right?

I guess that's the difference between what it takes to convince some people...

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Postby With Teeth » Tue Sep 03, 2013 5:37 pm

Need a name wrote:
With Teeth wrote:
Are your material desire more important than Christ's command to "Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have'?


Me not having time has nothing to do with my material desire. I want to debate when I have an argument fully formed so that I will show that God does exist.


Yes, it really does. You don't have time because there are other things in your life you have to do. Yet, these things are presumably more important than the requirement to always give an answer.
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Postby The Nihilistic view » Tue Sep 03, 2013 5:38 pm

God might or might not exist, if he does exist then it is safe to say (Presuming you are talking about the Lord god) he does not exist in the way the Bible makes him out to be.
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