Philosophic Question:Solve It!

[Liriena]

Therefor...compulsory nudity is in order. Think of Jesus and the children!

No, because as sinful people, nudity often causes people to commit sins like lust and adultery.

We should try to avoid doing things that cause others to sin.

Therefor...we should ban property, good looks, intelligence, competition in any form, and vulnerability to other people's abuses?

Ok...

[Vulpae]

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[Free Soviets]

This is a truly original philosophical statement.

Ah, but have I got a stumper for you, even newer than Epicurus: how many angels do you suppose can fit on the head of a pin? eh? EH?

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[Blasveck]

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The problem of evil is certainly an interesting one to debate, that's for sure.

[Liriena]

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Nope.

[Liriena]

The problem of evil is certainly an interesting one to debate, that's for sure.

The problem of evil has been done to death. Many Christians already have a wide array of mental contortionisms to justify it.

Now...the problem of our Universe being deadly and wasteful, almost completely hostile to human life and needlessly complicated, is an interesting, practically uncharted territory.

[The North Polish Union]

Why do we need scriptural indications at all in this case? That's just common sense.

Not necessarily. Since they were like God before they sinned (Genesis 1:27) they only needed to become capable of committing evil.

Since Adam and Eve apparently didn't wear clothes until they had sinned; that means that being naked is not, in itself, evil.

1. It's "common sense" if you assume that original sin isn't a fucked up concept in the first place.
2. If they were "like God" then wouldn't that mean that they were already capable of committing evil? I mean, God blaming the whole of humanity for A&E's mistakes seems pretty evil to me.
3. So why the fuck did they put clothes on? "Being naked isn't sinful!" "So lets put this verse mentioning them putting clothes on for no apparent reason!"

1.) And why exactly is original sin "a fucked up concept?"

2.) No, because God does not break His own laws, and God's laws prohibit evil. Also, due to the fact that when Adam and Eve sinned, their nature became sinful. Thus, all their children were born with a sinful nature.

3.) See my reply to Liriena's post.

[Free Soviets]

in case anyone wants to take on the forms of the argument that philosophy still sometimes bothers with all this time later, start here:
http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/evil/

[Blasveck]

The problem of evil is certainly an interesting one to debate, that's for sure.

The problem of evil has been done to death. Many Christians already have a wide array of mental contortionisms to justify it.

Now...the problem of our Universe being deadly and wasteful, almost completely hostile to human life, is an interesting, practically uncharted territory.

True.

The problem of "The Universe was created FOR US!" Isn't much to debate though.

I mean, it can kill us at any moment. Whoop-dee-doo. I'm surprised we haveń been wiped out already.

[Torcularis Septentrionalis]

He could both want to do it and be capable of doing it, but does not for some reason we cannot understand.

[The North Polish Union]

No, because as sinful people, nudity often causes people to commit sins like lust and adultery.

We should try to avoid doing things that cause others to sin.

Therefor...we should ban property, good looks, intelligence, competition in any form, and vulnerability to other people's abuses?

Ok...

Um, that's not what I said...

All of those are unavoidable. Running down Main Street naked, on the other hand, is.

[The North Polish Union]

The problem of evil has been done to death. Many Christians already have a wide array of mental contortionisms to justify it.

Now...the problem of our Universe being deadly and wasteful, almost completely hostile to human life, is an interesting, practically uncharted territory.

True.

The problem of "The Universe was created FOR US!" Isn't much to debate though.

I mean, it can kill us at any moment. Whoop-dee-doo. I'm surprised we haveń been wiped out already.

Your use of the letter "ń" leads me to believe that you must be Polish, and therefore awesome.

[Blasveck]

1. It's "common sense" if you assume that original sin isn't a fucked up concept in the first place.
2. If they were "like God" then wouldn't that mean that they were already capable of committing evil? I mean, God blaming the whole of humanity for A&E's mistakes seems pretty evil to me.
3. So why the fuck did they put clothes on? "Being naked isn't sinful!" "So lets put this verse mentioning them putting clothes on for no apparent reason!"

1.) And why exactly is original sin "a fucked up concept?"

2.) No, because God does not break His own laws, and God's laws prohibit evil. Also, due to the fact that when Adam and Eve sinned, their nature became sinful. Thus, all their children were born with a sinful nature.

3.) See my reply to Liriena's post.

1. Do you have a grandad that committed a crime? Or an uncle that beat his wife? Have any of your older family members ever commit a crime and were jailed for it?

[The North Polish Union]

1.) And why exactly is original sin "a fucked up concept?"

2.) No, because God does not break His own laws, and God's laws prohibit evil. Also, due to the fact that when Adam and Eve sinned, their nature became sinful. Thus, all their children were born with a sinful nature.

3.) See my reply to Liriena's post.

1. Do you have a grandad that committed a crime? Or an uncle that beat his wife? Have any of your older family members ever commit a crime and were jailed for it?

My Grandfather was arrested for drunk driving a while ago. Does that count?

[Blasveck]

True.

The problem of "The Universe was created FOR US!" Isn't much to debate though.

I mean, it can kill us at any moment. Whoop-dee-doo. I'm surprised we haveń been wiped out already.

Your use of the letter "ń" leads me to believe that you must be Polish, and therefore awesome.

Stupid iPhone.

AFAIK, I am not Polish. But I probably am, considering I'm a mixture of practically every European "group" out there, plus a bit of Mexico.

[Liriena]

1. It's "common sense" if you assume that original sin isn't a fucked up concept in the first place.
2. If they were "like God" then wouldn't that mean that they were already capable of committing evil? I mean, God blaming the whole of humanity for A&E's mistakes seems pretty evil to me.
3. So why the fuck did they put clothes on? "Being naked isn't sinful!" "So lets put this verse mentioning them putting clothes on for no apparent reason!"

1.) And why exactly is original sin "a fucked up concept?"

2.) No, because God does not break His own laws, and God's laws prohibit evil. Also, due to the fact that when Adam and Eve sinned, their nature became sinful. Thus, all their children were born with a sinful nature.

3.) See my reply to Liriena's post.

1. Asides from the fact that it punishes newborns for the crimes of mythological ancestors from thousand of years ago? The "sin" itself was, really, mostly God's responsibility. That he was incapable or unwilling to foresee and/or prevent said sin, even though he himself provided that sin with its own context (humans capable of temptation, a forbidden tree, and a cunning and persuasive snake), makes God the driving force behind the original sin, and gives him no moral authority to punish anyone other than himself for it.

2. If God does not break his own laws...then why does the Biblical God constantly commit genocide? Or lie, while we are at it?

[Blasveck]

1. Do you have a grandad that committed a crime? Or an uncle that beat his wife? Have any of your older family members ever commit a crime and were jailed for it?

My Grandfather was arrested for drunk driving a while ago. Does that count?

Was he arrested?

Or just a ticket or something?

[Liriena]

The problem of evil has been done to death. Many Christians already have a wide array of mental contortionisms to justify it.

Now...the problem of our Universe being deadly and wasteful, almost completely hostile to human life, is an interesting, practically uncharted territory.

True.

The problem of "The Universe was created FOR US!" Isn't much to debate though.

I mean, it can kill us at any moment. Whoop-dee-doo. I'm surprised we haveń been wiped out already.

Just give the Sun some time. It's trying really hard to kill us.

[Liriena]

Therefor...we should ban property, good looks, intelligence, competition in any form, and vulnerability to other people's abuses?

Ok...

Um, that's not what I said...

All of those are unavoidable. Running down Main Street naked, on the other hand, is.

I'm pretty sure we could prevent private property, thus preventing greed and envy.

Just saying.

[Imsogone]

This is a good question :

If God was completely good then he would want to stop all evil, if God was completely powerful then he could stop all evil, but evil exists....so does that mean that God is not completely good or not completely powerful, or does god not exist?

Please post your ideas about this question!

How about God is completely indifferent - assuming he/she/it/they exist(s) at all.

[The Parkus Empire]

He could both want to do it and be capable of doing it, but does not for some reason we cannot understand.

Well I guess if we use that criterion, then the ancient Greek pantheon isn't necessarily bad.

[The North Polish Union]

Your use of the letter "ń" leads me to believe that you must be Polish, and therefore awesome.

Stupid iPhone.

AFAIK, I am not Polish. But I probably am, considering I'm a mixture of practically every European "group" out there, plus a bit of Mexico.

Oh well...

1.) And why exactly is original sin "a fucked up concept?"

2.) No, because God does not break His own laws, and God's laws prohibit evil. Also, due to the fact that when Adam and Eve sinned, their nature became sinful. Thus, all their children were born with a sinful nature.

3.) See my reply to Liriena's post.

1. Asides from the fact that it punishes newborns for the crimes of mythological ancestors from thousand of years ago? The "sin" itself was, really, mostly God's responsibility. That he was incapable or unwilling to foresee and/or prevent said sin, even though he himself provided that sin with its own context (humans capable of temptation, a forbidden tree, and a cunning and persuasive snake), makes God the driving force behind the original sin, and gives him no moral authority to punish anyone other than himself for it.

2. If God does not break his own laws...then why does the Biblical God constantly commit genocide? Or lie, while we are at it?

1.) God is capable of being tempted Himself (see Jesus being tempted by Satan), He just never bows to temptation. Thus, humans created in His own image would be temptable.

2.) Source for both of those claims, please. FYI, the Israelites conquest of Canaan was not committed by God, but by the Israelites.

My Grandfather was arrested for drunk driving a while ago. Does that count?

Was he arrested?

Or just a ticket or something?

I believe he was actually arrested.

[Tlaceceyaya]

He could both want to do it and be capable of doing it, but does not for some reason we cannot understand.

"Humanity is incapable of comprehending it."
What a wonderful way to dismiss anything against your god.

[Scholencia]

This is a good question :

If God was completely good then he would want to stop all evil, if God was completely powerful then he could stop all evil, but evil exists....so does that mean that God is not completely good or not completely powerful, or does god not exist?

Please post your ideas about this question!

That is not a philosophic question.

Does anything know what is the being of the whole world?

[Imsogone]

He could both want to do it and be capable of doing it, but does not for some reason we cannot understand.

"Humanity is incapable of comprehending it."
What a wonderful way to dismiss anything against your god.

The way I see it ... according to the Christians, we're made in this deity's image. This would, imo, mean in the intellectual image, since no one's ever seen this deity but we've all experienced his/her/it's "intellect". This means we're perfectly capable of comprehending anything the deity comprehends if we have enough information. So that particular little dismissal is meaningless, trivial and insulting.