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Philosophic Question:Solve It!

Postby Prins Maurits » Tue Sep 03, 2013 2:23 pm

This is a good question :

If God was completely good then he would want to stop all evil, if God was completely powerful then he could stop all evil, but evil exists....so does that mean that God is not completely good or not completely powerful, or does god not exist?

Please post your ideas about this question!
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Postby Farnhamia » Tue Sep 03, 2013 2:25 pm

Prins Maurits wrote:This is a good question :

If God was completely good then he would want to stop all evil, if God was completely powerful then he could stop all evil, but evil exists....so does that mean that God is not completely good or not completely powerful, or does god not exist?

Please post your ideas about this question!

You first, please.
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Postby DesAnges » Tue Sep 03, 2013 2:26 pm

God's an asshole. Which is good, because you need an asshole in charge otherwise it all grinds to a halt. Assholes gets things done and dispose of things.
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Postby Prins Maurits » Tue Sep 03, 2013 2:26 pm

Farnhamia wrote:
Prins Maurits wrote:This is a good question :

If God was completely good then he would want to stop all evil, if God was completely powerful then he could stop all evil, but evil exists....so does that mean that God is not completely good or not completely powerful, or does god not exist?

Please post your ideas about this question!

You first, please.

I personally think that god doesn't exist, or does want us to solve our own problems

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Postby The North Polish Union » Tue Sep 03, 2013 2:33 pm

Prins Maurits wrote:This is a good question :

If God was completely good then he would want to stop all evil, if God was completely powerful then he could stop all evil, but evil exists....so does that mean that God is not completely good or not completely powerful, or does god not exist?

Please post your ideas about this question!

God would love to stop evil but will not because He gave humans free will. Because they have free will, they chose to sin, therefore letting evil into the world. God (being all-powerful) could stop evil, but chooses not to because eliminating evil would violate humanity's free will (i.e. we could not choose to do evil).
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Postby Priory Academy USSR » Tue Sep 03, 2013 2:35 pm

The North Polish Union wrote:
Prins Maurits wrote:This is a good question :

If God was completely good then he would want to stop all evil, if God was completely powerful then he could stop all evil, but evil exists....so does that mean that God is not completely good or not completely powerful, or does god not exist?

Please post your ideas about this question!

God would love to stop evil but will not because He gave humans free will. Because they have free will, they chose to sin, therefore letting evil into the world. God (being all-powerful) could stop evil, but chooses not to because eliminating evil would violate humanity's free will (i.e. we could not choose to do evil).


I'm pretty sure God was against the idea of giving humans free will, if I remember Genesis correctly.
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Postby Warda » Tue Sep 03, 2013 2:36 pm

Priory Academy USSR wrote:
The North Polish Union wrote:God would love to stop evil but will not because He gave humans free will. Because they have free will, they chose to sin, therefore letting evil into the world. God (being all-powerful) could stop evil, but chooses not to because eliminating evil would violate humanity's free will (i.e. we could not choose to do evil).


I'm pretty sure God was against the idea of giving humans free will, if I remember Genesis correctly.

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Postby Olivaero » Tue Sep 03, 2013 2:37 pm

Prins Maurits wrote:This is a good question :

If God was completely good then he would want to stop all evil, if God was completely powerful then he could stop all evil, but evil exists....so does that mean that God is not completely good or not completely powerful, or does god not exist?

Please post your ideas about this question!

The fourth option: god allows humanity to make it's own choices as he gave the gift of free will. I really hate the way some internet "intellectuals" ask these tired old questions as if they're onto something revolutionary. There's good arguments for god not being real arguments that we base our very understanding of the universe on, use those, not a question which is probably as old the idea of an Omniscient, Omnipotent and Omnipresent god.
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Postby Tlaceceyaya » Tue Sep 03, 2013 2:38 pm

Olivaero wrote:
Prins Maurits wrote:This is a good question :

If God was completely good then he would want to stop all evil, if God was completely powerful then he could stop all evil, but evil exists....so does that mean that God is not completely good or not completely powerful, or does god not exist?

Please post your ideas about this question!

The fourth option: god allows humanity to make it's own choices as he gave the gift of free will. I really hate the way some internet "intellectuals" ask these tired old questions as if they're onto something revolutionary. There's good arguments for god not being real arguments that we base our very understanding of the universe on, use those, not a question which is probably as old the idea of an Omniscient, Omnipotent and Omnipresent god.

The gift of free will and malaria, you mean.
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Postby Olivaero » Tue Sep 03, 2013 2:38 pm

Priory Academy USSR wrote:
The North Polish Union wrote:God would love to stop evil but will not because He gave humans free will. Because they have free will, they chose to sin, therefore letting evil into the world. God (being all-powerful) could stop evil, but chooses not to because eliminating evil would violate humanity's free will (i.e. we could not choose to do evil).


I'm pretty sure God was against the idea of giving humans free will, if I remember Genesis correctly.

Well he allowed eve to bite the forbidden fruit...
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Postby The North Polish Union » Tue Sep 03, 2013 2:39 pm

Priory Academy USSR wrote:
The North Polish Union wrote:God would love to stop evil but will not because He gave humans free will. Because they have free will, they chose to sin, therefore letting evil into the world. God (being all-powerful) could stop evil, but chooses not to because eliminating evil would violate humanity's free will (i.e. we could not choose to do evil).


I'm pretty sure God was against the idea of giving humans free will, if I remember Genesis correctly.

Care to quote me the verse?
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Postby The Silence of Night » Tue Sep 03, 2013 2:40 pm

Warda wrote:
Priory Academy USSR wrote:
I'm pretty sure God was against the idea of giving humans free will, if I remember Genesis correctly.

guess you dont

Don't you remember the famous "You don't know about good, evil, life death, and only do what I tell you" ordeal? What about the "You do what I say or I burn your cities and turn your wife to salt"?
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Postby Priory Academy USSR » Tue Sep 03, 2013 2:40 pm

Warda wrote:
Priory Academy USSR wrote:
I'm pretty sure God was against the idea of giving humans free will, if I remember Genesis correctly.

guess you dont


Enlighten me, then.

but God did say, ‘You must not eat fruit from the tree that is in the middle of the garden, and you must not touch it, or you will die.’”

4 “You will not certainly die,” the serpent said to the woman. 5 “For God knows that when you eat from it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.”


God says, don't discover good and evil (aka free will) by threatening them with death. And when they do do it, God kicks them out of Eden. Seems pretty conclusive to me.
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Postby Olivaero » Tue Sep 03, 2013 2:40 pm

Tlaceceyaya wrote:
Olivaero wrote:The fourth option: god allows humanity to make it's own choices as he gave the gift of free will. I really hate the way some internet "intellectuals" ask these tired old questions as if they're onto something revolutionary. There's good arguments for god not being real arguments that we base our very understanding of the universe on, use those, not a question which is probably as old the idea of an Omniscient, Omnipotent and Omnipresent god.

The gift of free will and malaria, you mean.

Whether natural forces can be quantified as evil is a whole other debate. Can something be considered Evil if it is done without conscious thought? Is a dog evil when it bites a child?
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Postby Olivaero » Tue Sep 03, 2013 2:41 pm

Priory Academy USSR wrote:
Warda wrote:guess you dont


Enlighten me, then.

but God did say, ‘You must not eat fruit from the tree that is in the middle of the garden, and you must not touch it, or you will die.’”

4 “You will not certainly die,” the serpent said to the woman. 5 “For God knows that when you eat from it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.”


God says, don't discover good and evil (aka free will) by threatening them with death. Seems pretty conclusive to me.

He allowed her to bite it though... which if we're to buy into his omnipotentness he could of certainly stopped.
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Postby Tlaceceyaya » Tue Sep 03, 2013 2:42 pm

Olivaero wrote:
Tlaceceyaya wrote:The gift of free will and malaria, you mean.

Whether natural forces can be quantified as evil is a whole other debate. Can something be considered Evil if it is done without conscious thought? Is a dog evil when it bites a child?

No, the dog is not evil. But if god gave humans free will, then surely he created them. And everything else. And if dig a hole along a pathway, put spikes at the bottom and then cover it with leaves, I'm an evil son of a bitch, not the spikes.
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Postby Priory Academy USSR » Tue Sep 03, 2013 2:43 pm

Olivaero wrote:
Priory Academy USSR wrote:
Enlighten me, then.

but God did say, ‘You must not eat fruit from the tree that is in the middle of the garden, and you must not touch it, or you will die.’”

4 “You will not certainly die,” the serpent said to the woman. 5 “For God knows that when you eat from it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.”


God says, don't discover good and evil (aka free will) by threatening them with death. Seems pretty conclusive to me.

He allowed her to bite it though... which if we're to buy into his omnipotentness he could of certainly stopped.


If that's the case, he's just a serious bastard for then moaning about it.
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Postby Blasveck » Tue Sep 03, 2013 2:44 pm

I usually hear four answers concerning the problem of evil:

A: Humanity causes all the world's ills.
B: God tests us,tempts us with evil.
C: "You can't know the good without the evil!"
D: God lets evil exist, yes, but he also allows good-ness to exist. A trade-off, if you will.

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Postby DesAnges » Tue Sep 03, 2013 2:46 pm

Priory Academy USSR wrote:
Olivaero wrote:He allowed her to bite it though... which if we're to buy into his omnipotentness he could of certainly stopped.


If that's the case, he's just a serious bastard for then moaning about it.

God is an asshole, this much is evident.
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Postby The Parkus Empire » Tue Sep 03, 2013 2:47 pm

Humanity made up good and evil, then says God made them up. Fundamentally flawed paradox.
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Postby Olivaero » Tue Sep 03, 2013 2:47 pm

Tlaceceyaya wrote:
Olivaero wrote:Whether natural forces can be quantified as evil is a whole other debate. Can something be considered Evil if it is done without conscious thought? Is a dog evil when it bites a child?

No, the dog is not evil. But if god gave humans free will, then surely he created them. And everything else. And if dig a hole along a pathway, put spikes at the bottom and then cover it with leaves, I'm an evil son of a bitch, not the spikes.

Surely you already know where this line of questioning has to end? if god is Omnipresent then he can see the big picture and these things he's put on earth to test the faith of humans are not evil they are necessary. I'm just repeating the theological justification of Christians here it's not exactly rocket science to understand why they believe what they do.
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Postby The Orson Empire » Tue Sep 03, 2013 2:48 pm

DesAnges wrote:God's an asshole. Which is good, because you need an asshole in charge otherwise it all grinds to a halt. Assholes gets things done and dispose of things.

That was blunt.

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Postby Blasveck » Tue Sep 03, 2013 2:50 pm

Priory Academy USSR wrote:
Warda wrote:guess you dont


Enlighten me, then.

but God did say, ‘You must not eat fruit from the tree that is in the middle of the garden, and you must not touch it, or you will die.’”

4 “You will not certainly die,” the serpent said to the woman. 5 “For God knows that when you eat from it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.”


God says, don't discover good and evil (aka free will) by threatening them with death. And when they do do it, God kicks them out of Eden. Seems pretty conclusive to me.


The tree is called the "Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil"
No free will there.

God didn't want Adam and Eve to discover morality, not free will. The argument usually goes that they freely chose to eat the fruit.
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Postby The Silence of Night » Tue Sep 03, 2013 2:50 pm

The Orson Empire wrote:
DesAnges wrote:God's an asshole. Which is good, because you need an asshole in charge otherwise it all grinds to a halt. Assholes gets things done and dispose of things.

That was blunt.

He's a blunt person. I'd compare him to Divair it this aspect.
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To round out the picture you appear to be, political preference aside, a sensible realistic egalitarian with several strong convictions.

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