If the US became a monarchy?

[Karrgath]

Well, however you are, Capitalism, Communism and Fascism pushed the world in war. The British resisted this for a full year in the defense of the Empire-the Empire was achieved by Imperialism, and Imperialism was the and still is the Monarchy. Anyway, the USA should respect and follow their founders!

They kicked their founder in the teeth; And the Founder now serves the Founded.

That should speak all that needs to be said on the subject.

[Genivaria]

God I hated that movie.

Olympus has fallen? Yeah it was cruddy.

The country that can't even feed its own people or arm its soldiers with modern weapons SOMEHOW manages to invade the fucking WHITE HOUSE, and this movie clearly takes place in an alternate reality if the North Koreans are apparently able to take over South Korea the moment American forces leave.
Bull. Shit.

[New Chalcedon]

I think a Koch brother would be elected. money talks, eh?

I think it should be the descendant of a great native American chief. the great grandson of Geronimo, crazy horse or Tecumseh.

King Koch?

[Karrgath]

Olympus has fallen? Yeah it was cruddy.

The country that can't even feed its own people or arm its soldiers with modern weapons SOMEHOW manages to invade the fucking WHITE HOUSE, and this movie clearly takes place in an alternate reality if the North Koreans are apparently able to take over South Korea the moment American forces leave.
Bull. Shit.

Well a Terrorist attack on the White House nearly occurred but it wasn't a seizing action, you would in all likelihood need a small army to seize the white house, You wouldn't see surprise in the action except in the initial volley and then you have the White Security and defenses either overridden or avoided. And you as the terrorists demonstrated in the film seize it within twenty to thirty minutes before Military Reinforcements came running.

I don't place their strategy as viable unless if you have resources committed to the operation in such a way you can turn off the automated defenses and have enough men to hamper the guard force.

As for it being alternative reality? Well...

Well to be honest most of the US military Intel on the respective strengths of North Korea, the few unclassified documents and speculations with verifiable and cited sources i can find place their actual military capabilities somewhere between 42 to 44 of their GDP. I wouldn't place them on Par with the United States but i would give them a fighting chance with china backing them against South Korea.

Their Strength comes from their proximity to the South Korean Border, they are well within range of both sides big guns but unfortunately for South Korea, China has given North Korea reportedly a lot of guns.

Because as we all know, China is the real force keeping North Korea Afloat and China has the fortune and the technology to keep North Korean Military strength relatively modern.

[George Kaplan]

Except he is blackmailed by a North Korean paramilitary group into recalling the seventh fleet from the Sea of Japan and orders the withdrawal of all US troops from the Korean DMZ. Until a Scottish lawyer turned actor saves the day and Aaron Eckhart becomes president once again.

God I hated that movie.

I thought it was ok.

[George Kaplan]

Olympus has fallen? Yeah it was cruddy.

The country that can't even feed its own people or arm its soldiers with modern weapons SOMEHOW manages to invade the fucking WHITE HOUSE, and this movie clearly takes place in an alternate reality if the North Koreans are apparently able to take over South Korea the moment American forces leave.
Bull. Shit.

It's not like NK hasn't had tried to assassinate the south's leaders before. If memory serves me correctly, I recall reading about some commando unit that actually got fairly close to the Blue House and they only captured one or two alive. Of course the plan in the movie would require a great deal of coordination. But the idea of a NK agent in the south's government isn't that farfetched. That was a big problem during the Korean war (determing which koreans were North and which were South).

[Lillitania]

Not only is this impossible, ridiculous, and overall just a silly thing to ask, this would be our rightful king.

No direct lineage would be possible however, George Washington was impotent, so the title of monarchy would likely given to his relatives' descendants.

[Genivaria]

The country that can't even feed its own people or arm its soldiers with modern weapons SOMEHOW manages to invade the fucking WHITE HOUSE, and this movie clearly takes place in an alternate reality if the North Koreans are apparently able to take over South Korea the moment American forces leave.
Bull. Shit.

Well a Terrorist attack on the White House nearly occurred but it wasn't a seizing action, you would in all likelihood need a small army to seize the white house, You wouldn't see surprise in the action except in the initial volley and then you have the White Security and defenses either overridden or avoided. And you as the terrorists demonstrated in the film seize it within twenty to thirty minutes before Military Reinforcements came running.

I don't place their strategy as viable unless if you have resources committed to the operation in such a way you can turn off the automated defenses and have enough men to hamper the guard force.

As for it being alternative reality? Well...

Well to be honest most of the US military Intel on the respective strengths of North Korea, the few unclassified documents and speculations with verifiable and cited sources i can find place their actual military capabilities somewhere between 42 to 44 of their GDP. I wouldn't place them on Par with the United States but i would give them a fighting chance with china backing them against South Korea.

Their Strength comes from their proximity to the South Korean Border, they are well within range of both sides big guns but unfortunately for South Korea, China has given North Korea reportedly a lot of guns.

Because as we all know, China is the real force keeping North Korea Afloat and China has the fortune and the technology to keep North Korean Military strength relatively modern.

China does nothing but send NK aid and serves as the shield for when NK inevitably gets its ass kicked and needs to hide behind China.
China has no interest in helping NK take over SK nor do they 'keep NK's military modern'.

[Karrgath]

Well a Terrorist attack on the White House nearly occurred but it wasn't a seizing action, you would in all likelihood need a small army to seize the white house, You wouldn't see surprise in the action except in the initial volley and then you have the White Security and defenses either overridden or avoided. And you as the terrorists demonstrated in the film seize it within twenty to thirty minutes before Military Reinforcements came running.

I don't place their strategy as viable unless if you have resources committed to the operation in such a way you can turn off the automated defenses and have enough men to hamper the guard force.

As for it being alternative reality? Well...

Well to be honest most of the US military Intel on the respective strengths of North Korea, the few unclassified documents and speculations with verifiable and cited sources i can find place their actual military capabilities somewhere between 42 to 44 of their GDP. I wouldn't place them on Par with the United States but i would give them a fighting chance with china backing them against South Korea.

Their Strength comes from their proximity to the South Korean Border, they are well within range of both sides big guns but unfortunately for South Korea, China has given North Korea reportedly a lot of guns.

Because as we all know, China is the real force keeping North Korea Afloat and China has the fortune and the technology to keep North Korean Military strength relatively modern.

China does nothing but send NK aid and serves as the shield for when NK inevitably gets its ass kicked and needs to hide behind China.
China has no interest in helping NK take over SK nor do they 'keep NK's military modern'.

Ignore the NK shipping vessels caught with Chinese Weapons in their Holds huh?

It's not like they brought to the world they supply Northern Korea but they do.

Cuba is still a relatively able Proxy force for China, Cuba giving them weapons technology is the about the same as China doing it except that China doesn't acknowledge that it does it.

And it goes beyond that little raid in Panama earlier this Year, you have had incidents like this going back to the 90s.

So if China isn't supplying NK it is certainly doing its darnedest to appear that way.

[Lost heros]

No king of mine will blatantly ignore the rules of grammar.

The 'king' wouldn't need to be capitalised in this instance. It would usually only be capitalised if you were referring to an individual king.

Eg:
King George the person- "King George had his coronation ceremony today"
King as in the position of king- "I think that the king should pay more taxes"

Which is why I highlighted it in red and lowercased it, changing it from being uppercase to lowercase....

[Arumdaum]

The country that can't even feed its own people or arm its soldiers with modern weapons SOMEHOW manages to invade the fucking WHITE HOUSE, and this movie clearly takes place in an alternate reality if the North Koreans are apparently able to take over South Korea the moment American forces leave.
Bull. Shit.

It's not like NK hasn't had tried to assassinate the south's leaders before. If memory serves me correctly, I recall reading about some commando unit that actually got fairly close to the Blue House and they only captured one or two alive. Of course the plan in the movie would require a great deal of coordination. But the idea of a NK agent in the south's government isn't that farfetched. That was a big problem during the Korean war (determing which koreans were North and which were South).

Funnily enough, the dictator they tried to assassinate ended up being assassinated by his own security chief, who apparently wanted Korea to become a democracy.

However, that was nearly fifty years ago. This was when the average North Korean was better off than the average South Korean. South Korea has advanced significantly since then, while North Korea suffered an economic and near societal collapse in the 1990s.

Back during the Korean War, whether you were from what was the American occupation zone or the Soviet occupation zone didn't matter. The anticommunist president of the ROK himself was from what would become known as North Korea. Both armies went up and down the peninsula, forcing young men from what would later be seen as North and South Korea to join their armies.

[George Kaplan]

It's not like NK hasn't had tried to assassinate the south's leaders before. If memory serves me correctly, I recall reading about some commando unit that actually got fairly close to the Blue House and they only captured one or two alive. Of course the plan in the movie would require a great deal of coordination. But the idea of a NK agent in the south's government isn't that farfetched. That was a big problem during the Korean war (determing which koreans were North and which were South).

Funnily enough, the dictator they tried to assassinate ended up being assassinated by his own security chief, who apparently wanted Korea to become a democracy.

However, that was nearly fifty years ago. This was when the average North Korean was better off than the average South Korean. South Korea has advanced significantly since then, while North Korea suffered an economic and near societal collapse in the 1990s.

Back during the Korean War, whether you were from what was the American occupation zone or the Soviet occupation zone didn't matter. The anticommunist president of the ROK himself was from what would become known as North Korea. Both armies went up and down the peninsula, forcing young men from what would later be seen as North and South Korea to join their armies.

Still some of the things you saw in the film could happen. We've had planes fly perilously close to the White House to not be shot down. It wouldn't be hard to smuggle in guns to the US or to even expect the President, on meeting high ranking South Korean officials, to invite them to the WH bunker on the event of some attack. If anything the fault with the film was the assumption that all of that could happen as coordinated and as quickly as it was w/o intelligence picking a hint or even a whiff of it up.

[George Kaplan]

Olympus has fallen? Yeah it was cruddy.

The country that can't even feed its own people or arm its soldiers with modern weapons SOMEHOW manages to invade the fucking WHITE HOUSE, and this movie clearly takes place in an alternate reality if the North Koreans are apparently able to take over South Korea the moment American forces leave.
Bull. Shit.

Eh, that's a bit tricky. There are some that argue the US forces are there to keep the South Koreans at bay. However, I also think you underestimate the desire North Korea has to have a unified Korea. While the South certainly has better weapons, you can overcome that with sheer numbers. As we did with the Germans during WW2 and as the Chinese did with the Soviets in some of their border skirmishes. It's also why we have refused to sign a no use of nukes first pledge.

[The Orson Empire]

I probably wouldn't even bother voting.

[Arumdaum]

The country that can't even feed its own people or arm its soldiers with modern weapons SOMEHOW manages to invade the fucking WHITE HOUSE, and this movie clearly takes place in an alternate reality if the North Koreans are apparently able to take over South Korea the moment American forces leave.
Bull. Shit.

Eh, that's a bit tricky. There are some that argue the US forces are there to keep the South Koreans at bay. However, I also think you underestimate the desire North Korea has to have a unified Korea. While the South certainly has better weapons, you can overcome that with sheer numbers. As we did with the Germans during WW2 and as the Chinese did with the Soviets in some of their border skirmishes. It's also why we have refused to sign a no use of nukes first pledge.

North Korea's government doesn't want a reunified Korea, as the only possible scenario for one is one in which the North Korean government gives up power, and this isn't something the fancy car-driving champagne-drinking elite is interested in.

In terms of sheer numbers, South Korea wins. It has twice the population, more industry, a larger war-making capacity, more people it can take away from its farms and factories to actually fight, and more. While North Korea does technically have larger reserves, having 40% of the population fighting is impossible. Who would work in the collective and private farms? The factories?

[Arumdaum]

The country that can't even feed its own people or arm its soldiers with modern weapons SOMEHOW manages to invade the fucking WHITE HOUSE, and this movie clearly takes place in an alternate reality if the North Koreans are apparently able to take over South Korea the moment American forces leave.
Bull. Shit.

Well a Terrorist attack on the White House nearly occurred but it wasn't a seizing action, you would in all likelihood need a small army to seize the white house, You wouldn't see surprise in the action except in the initial volley and then you have the White Security and defenses either overridden or avoided. And you as the terrorists demonstrated in the film seize it within twenty to thirty minutes before Military Reinforcements came running.

I don't place their strategy as viable unless if you have resources committed to the operation in such a way you can turn off the automated defenses and have enough men to hamper the guard force.

As for it being alternative reality? Well...

Well to be honest most of the US military Intel on the respective strengths of North Korea, the few unclassified documents and speculations with verifiable and cited sources i can find place their actual military capabilities somewhere between 42 to 44 of their GDP. I wouldn't place them on Par with the United States but i would give them a fighting chance with china backing them against South Korea.

Their Strength comes from their proximity to the South Korean Border, they are well within range of both sides big guns but unfortunately for South Korea, China has given North Korea reportedly a lot of guns.

Because as we all know, China is the real force keeping North Korea Afloat and China has the fortune and the technology to keep North Korean Military strength relatively modern.

And exactly how would a small army have arrived in Washington D.C. without anyone noticing? Not to mention, there's literally no incentive to such an action, and it would inevitably result in worse consequences for the army and North Korea than for the United States, even in the case of presidential assassination.

Well obviously, North Korea's military capacity comes nowhere close to that of the US'. There's also no chance of North Korea invading the South either. If there were no regard for civilian casualties and the destruction of large parts of the border (North Korea's navy can be easily neutralized by the navy), a South Korean incursion would be much more likely. I mean, South Korea's own military spending is roughly equivalent to North Korea's entire GDP, and its military capability is much, much greater than that of North Korea's.

Unless there's an actual Chinese invasion of Korea, of which the possibility is less than zero, not even Chinese support would result in a northern victory. China has already stated that it would be perfectly fine with a reunification of Korea under the government of the Republic of Korea, so long as it is not threatening towards the country. Nor are China and North Korea the best of friends as many often make them out to be. North Korea merely happens to have become dependent upon following the collapse of East Germany and the Soviet Union, as well its own economic collapse and the devastating famine during the mid-late 1990's. China, on the other hand, prefers Northeast Asia to be kept stable, and doesn't really want hundreds of thousands or millions of North Korean refugees flocking to its borders in Manchuria.

Both have shown their distaste towards each other numerous times. North Korea hates being dependent upon China, and China's increasingly fed up with its neighbor on the peninsula.

[Southern Babylonia]

Poll added, tell me if you have a better joke option.

[Risottia]

So, a hypothetical question for you guys:

Let's say it was declared tomorrow that the United States needed to become a constitutional monarchy, and everyone agreed to this proposition.

Well, we wouldn't have to hear any more that annoying bullshit about "the oldest republic in the world".
Especially annoying if you're from San Marino or Switzerland, btw.

[Coccygia]

What do you mean, if?

[Bodobol]

No king of mine will blatantly ignore the rules of grammar.

I'd be a King. Also, I will not get elected. Also I am not your King.


King does not need to be capitalized, as long as its not God, or Jesus, we are good.

Wrong. If you're referring to any one person, the word king is capitalized.

[Dyakovo]

What do you mean, if?

Seriously? Do you have any clue what a monarchy is?

[Southern Babylonia]

So, a hypothetical question for you guys:

Let's say it was declared tomorrow that the United States needed to become a constitutional monarchy, and everyone agreed to this proposition.

Well, we wouldn't have to hear any more that annoying bullshit about "the oldest republic in the world".
Especially annoying if you're from San Marino or Switzerland, btw.

The government of San Marino made United States President Abraham Lincoln an honorary citizen. He wrote in reply, saying that the republic proved that "government founded on republican principles is capable of being so administered as to be secure and enduring." -Wikipedia

Indeed. Come to think of it, even England had a republic before it for a while.

[Distruzio]

I probably wouldn't even bother voting.

That'd be the only time I would vote.

[Libertarian California]

Americans wouldn't take too kindly to having a family that is legally better than everyone else.

Kinda goes against "all men are created equal" (at least before the law).

[Mike the Progressive]

Americans wouldn't take too kindly to having a family that is legally better than everyone else.

Kinda goes against "all men are created equal" (at least before the law).

Interestingly enough, during the post-Revolutionary era and especially during the Jackson era, most Americans were so vehemently opposed to aristocrats they often verbally (and in some cases physically) abused the wealthy "elites." It's kind of strange that men in Jacksonian America, in how they treated blacks, women and Natives as subhuman, embraced this sort of ultra egalitarianism.

Ah well, you take the bad with the good.