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If the US became a monarchy, it would be...

An awesome thing and a sign of what other republics around the world must do
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A pretty decent improvement
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7%
Generally better than the current situation, though I fear they may choose an idiot for the job
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It might help, but I fail to see how
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An event I'd simply disregard or not care about
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It may be harmful and it would certainly be disruptive, but it wouldn't cause long-term damage
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5%
Probably a bad turn of events, as they'd likely choose a pretty horrible monarch
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10%
A great leap in the wrong direction
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27%
An utter and unforgivable violation of freedom that should be stomped out at all costs, by any means
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Good cause for us all to dive off a giant Kleenex box into a jar of lime pickle sauce mixed with whipped cream and Vladimir Putin's chewed erasers (i.e. I have no idea)
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Postby Great Kleomentia » Tue Sep 03, 2013 9:25 am

Condunum wrote:
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I'd be a King. Also, I will not get elected. Also I am not your King.


King does not need to be capitalized, as long as its not God, or Jesus, we are good.

What the fuck

Im not sure what hes saying either.
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Postby Lost heros » Tue Sep 03, 2013 9:56 am

Great Kleomentia wrote:
Condunum wrote:What the fuck

Im not sure what hes saying either.

No one does.
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Postby George Kaplan » Tue Sep 03, 2013 10:54 am

Yeah and if my aunt had a penis, she'd be my uncle. So what's the point?
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Postby Genivaria » Tue Sep 03, 2013 11:08 am

CM would loose his shit. :lol:
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Postby Dyakovo » Tue Sep 03, 2013 11:08 am

Southern Babylonia wrote:So, a hypothetical question for you guys:

Let's say it was declared tomorrow that the United States needed to become a constitutional monarchy, and everyone agreed to this proposition. Congress, the Senate, etc. would work the exact same way, the only difference being the position of a figurehead who could do nothing but give the royal seal of approval. In the end, they decided to allow every American to vote on who the first monarch would be. From that moment onwards, the position would be hereditary.

1. Now, supposing there was no voter fraud, who do you think would be elected to the office? Would it be a politician? A singer? An actor/actrice? Would this be the beginning of the Bradjolinian dynasty?

2. Regardless of whether or not you think they WOULD be elected, supposing you personally had to appoint one, who would it be? Would you at all be inclined to give yourself the position? If so, why would you want it?

3. Do you think, given a good degree of acceptance of the citizens of the US, that this monarchy could last? How do you think the international community would react? Would they want to influence the choice?

4. If it was simply decreed today, without any foregone conclusions about the general American population being more or less in favour of it, what do you think THEIR reaction would be? Would they be (obviously many would be) furious? Angered? Disconcerted? Apathetic? Content? Glad? Enthusiastic?

Personally, I have no idea who I think would be elected, or who would be best for a figurehead position. I'm of the opinion that their wouldn't be much of a kerfuffle internationally, but in the US, if it were simply declared right now, it'd definitely have huge consequences. That said, some of those into British royal pageantry and the viewing thereof might actually be really excited. Though I don't think it'd spark a civil war, I'm sure there'd be some armed resistance, somewhere. That said, I'm not American.

Well, your move, NSG.

EDIT: And no, for the record, I don't think this should happen. At least, not unless it also got many more people more interested in real politics.

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Postby Farnhamia » Tue Sep 03, 2013 11:10 am

Dyakovo wrote:
Southern Babylonia wrote:So, a hypothetical question for you guys:

Let's say it was declared tomorrow that the United States needed to become a constitutional monarchy, and everyone agreed to this proposition. Congress, the Senate, etc. would work the exact same way, the only difference being the position of a figurehead who could do nothing but give the royal seal of approval. In the end, they decided to allow every American to vote on who the first monarch would be. From that moment onwards, the position would be hereditary.

1. Now, supposing there was no voter fraud, who do you think would be elected to the office? Would it be a politician? A singer? An actor/actrice? Would this be the beginning of the Bradjolinian dynasty?

2. Regardless of whether or not you think they WOULD be elected, supposing you personally had to appoint one, who would it be? Would you at all be inclined to give yourself the position? If so, why would you want it?

3. Do you think, given a good degree of acceptance of the citizens of the US, that this monarchy could last? How do you think the international community would react? Would they want to influence the choice?

4. If it was simply decreed today, without any foregone conclusions about the general American population being more or less in favour of it, what do you think THEIR reaction would be? Would they be (obviously many would be) furious? Angered? Disconcerted? Apathetic? Content? Glad? Enthusiastic?

Personally, I have no idea who I think would be elected, or who would be best for a figurehead position. I'm of the opinion that their wouldn't be much of a kerfuffle internationally, but in the US, if it were simply declared right now, it'd definitely have huge consequences. That said, some of those into British royal pageantry and the viewing thereof might actually be really excited. Though I don't think it'd spark a civil war, I'm sure there'd be some armed resistance, somewhere. That said, I'm not American.

Well, your move, NSG.

EDIT: And no, for the record, I don't think this should happen. At least, not unless it also got many more people more interested in real politics.

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Postby Genivaria » Tue Sep 03, 2013 11:10 am

Dyakovo wrote:
Southern Babylonia wrote:So, a hypothetical question for you guys:

Let's say it was declared tomorrow that the United States needed to become a constitutional monarchy, and everyone agreed to this proposition. Congress, the Senate, etc. would work the exact same way, the only difference being the position of a figurehead who could do nothing but give the royal seal of approval. In the end, they decided to allow every American to vote on who the first monarch would be. From that moment onwards, the position would be hereditary.

1. Now, supposing there was no voter fraud, who do you think would be elected to the office? Would it be a politician? A singer? An actor/actrice? Would this be the beginning of the Bradjolinian dynasty?

2. Regardless of whether or not you think they WOULD be elected, supposing you personally had to appoint one, who would it be? Would you at all be inclined to give yourself the position? If so, why would you want it?

3. Do you think, given a good degree of acceptance of the citizens of the US, that this monarchy could last? How do you think the international community would react? Would they want to influence the choice?

4. If it was simply decreed today, without any foregone conclusions about the general American population being more or less in favour of it, what do you think THEIR reaction would be? Would they be (obviously many would be) furious? Angered? Disconcerted? Apathetic? Content? Glad? Enthusiastic?

Personally, I have no idea who I think would be elected, or who would be best for a figurehead position. I'm of the opinion that their wouldn't be much of a kerfuffle internationally, but in the US, if it were simply declared right now, it'd definitely have huge consequences. That said, some of those into British royal pageantry and the viewing thereof might actually be really excited. Though I don't think it'd spark a civil war, I'm sure there'd be some armed resistance, somewhere. That said, I'm not American.

Well, your move, NSG.

EDIT: And no, for the record, I don't think this should happen. At least, not unless it also got many more people more interested in real politics.

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If the US Became a Monarchy

Postby New Tsar Kingdom » Tue Sep 03, 2013 11:12 am

I think this would be a great improvement on a single government. Britain owned and still owns much of one quater of Earth, and that was with a Monarchy. America should follow the footsteps of our great founder!

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Postby New Tsar Kingdom » Tue Sep 03, 2013 11:13 am

I think this would be a great improvement on a single government. Britain owned and still owns much of one quater of Earth, and that was with a Monarchy. America should follow the footsteps of our great founder!

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Postby Magna Libero » Tue Sep 03, 2013 11:14 am

Arnold. I can't spell his surname for sure. You know the guy who starts with an 'S'.
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Postby George Kaplan » Tue Sep 03, 2013 11:15 am

Genivaria wrote:
Dyakovo wrote:How would the US become a monarchy?

Morgan Freeman was asked to be President and he said he would only ever be Emperor, and the people said "so be it" and it was good.


Except he is blackmailed by a North Korean paramilitary group into recalling the seventh fleet from the Sea of Japan and orders the withdrawal of all US troops from the Korean DMZ. Until a Scottish lawyer turned actor saves the day and Aaron Eckhart becomes president once again.
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Postby George Kaplan » Tue Sep 03, 2013 11:16 am

New Tsar Kingdom wrote:I think this would be a great improvement on a single government. Britain owned and still owns much of one quater of Earth, and that was with a Monarchy. America should follow the footsteps of our great founder!


How does Britain owe much of anything nowadays?

Not to mention monarchism is not necessarily the cause for the British Empire.
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Postby The United Egyptian Republic » Tue Sep 03, 2013 11:17 am

Probably Kim Kardashian or Snooki.
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Postby Evil Grantica » Tue Sep 03, 2013 11:18 am

1. Now, supposing there was no voter fraud, who do you think would be elected to the office? Kim Kardashian. America has no future. :palm:

2. Regardless of whether or not you think they WOULD be elected, supposing you personally had to appoint one, who would it be? Myself. :lol2:

Would you at all be inclined to give yourself the position? See above. :eyebrow:

If so, why would you want it? Because I'd seize power. Figurehead shmigurehead. :twisted:

3. Do you think, given a good degree of acceptance of the citizens of the US, that this monarchy could last? Yes. The secret police would ensure it. :evil:

How do you think the international community would react? They'd beg for mercy publicly and privately call us names. Kind of like it is now. :roll:

Would they want to influence the choice? Yes. :?

4. If it was simply decreed today, without any foregone conclusions about the general American population being more or less in favour of it, what do you think THEIR reaction would be? If the monarch weren't me, they'd move away to some place without a King, like the UK. If the monarch were me, they would cower and accept it. :clap:

Would they be (obviously many would be) furious? Angered? Disconcerted? Apathetic? Content? Glad? Enthusiastic? Who cares about their private feelings. As long as they bow. :bow:

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Postby Blakullar » Tue Sep 03, 2013 11:20 am

If the USA became a monarchy, the relationship between the federal government and tribes really would be between two sovereign entities.
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Postby Karrgath » Tue Sep 03, 2013 11:25 am

1.Now, supposing there was no voter fraud, who do you think would be elected to the office? Would it be a politician? A singer? An actor/actrice? Would this be the beginning of the Bradjolinian dynasty?

Likely Whatever Politician Or Figurehead that was the Flavor of the Month.

2. Regardless of whether or not you think they WOULD be elected, supposing you personally had to appoint one, who would it be? Would you at all be inclined to give yourself the position? If so, why would you want it?

I personally would appoint and this is assuming as you said HAD to do so would Appoint either David Duke or David Vitter. Both are qualified Leaders of Men with agreeable views. Of course this like all matters political is debatable.

3. Do you think, given a good degree of acceptance of the citizens of the US, that this monarchy could last? How do you think the international community would react? Would they want to influence the choice?

The world for the most power has taken a dim view of Hereditary Leadership and singular points of Authority that isn't elected so i would assume it would be unpopular. As for the citizens reactions? No; The Americans believe it or not fought a war not to be ruled by a King.

4. If it was simply decreed today, without any foregone conclusions about the general American population being more or less in favor of it, what do you think THEIR reaction would be? Would they be (obviously many would be) furious? Angered? Disconcerted? Apathetic? Content? Glad? Enthusiastic?

I believe the majority would be outraged and infuriated; You would of course have those in favor of it for whatever reasoning and of course those who didn't care. But i believe the majority would see how this trampled upon the very concept that America Forged centuries ago.

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Postby Zarodia » Tue Sep 03, 2013 11:28 am

1. Now, supposing there was no voter fraud, who do you think would be elected to the office? Would it be a politician? A singer? An actor/actrice? Would this be the beginning of the Bradjolinian dynasty?
If the public is voting, and there are no requirements for being eligible for candidacy, then very likely one of the more politically outspoken celebrities will win. Very likely it will be a celebrity who loudly adopts the views of the general public as soon as this whole "elect a monarch" this is announced.

2. Regardless of whether or not you think they WOULD be elected, supposing you personally had to appoint one, who would it be? Would you at all be inclined to give yourself the position? If so, why would you want it?
Myself, obviously. No one, especially no one likely to get elected, is better suited for the position than me, for numerous reasons. I'd be the best leader, also for numerous reasons, and I'd love to have the chance to influence politics even if it's only in the small way I'd be allowed to. The extraordinary amount of money that I'm likely to get while being monarch also factors into my desire.

3. Do you think, given a good degree of acceptance of the citizens of the US, that this monarchy could last? How do you think the international community would react? Would they want to influence the choice?
The monarchy wouldn't be doing anything, and would give congress a good scapegoat because people are stupid, so yes, it would likely last a while. The international community wouldn't care unless the monarch had extreme political ideas, and even then they would only care because those views would, because the monarch was elected, be approved by the general populace. It would make news in most countries, but in the same way celebrities make news here: no one really gives a fuck what they do, they just like reading about them.

4. If it was simply decreed today, without any foregone conclusions about the general American population being more or less in favour of it, what do you think THEIR reaction would be? Would they be (obviously many would be) furious? Angered? Disconcerted? Apathetic? Content? Glad? Enthusiastic?
Most wouldn't like it as they'd ridiculously assume that it would be easy for a ceremonial monarch to become an actual politically relevant monarch, however most wouldn't be bottom-befuddled enough to actually do anything about it. Most would whine on tumblr about the injustice of having a monarch, some might yell and hold poorly-written signs, but that'd be the extent of it.
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Postby Newfoundland-Labrador » Tue Sep 03, 2013 11:29 am

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Unless he's the king of the Romans too.


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Postby Karrgath » Tue Sep 03, 2013 11:37 am

Zarodia wrote:1. Now, supposing there was no voter fraud, who do you think would be elected to the office? Would it be a politician? A singer? An actor/actrice? Would this be the beginning of the Bradjolinian dynasty?
If the public is voting, and there are no requirements for being eligible for candidacy, then very likely one of the more politically outspoken celebrities will win. Very likely it will be a celebrity who loudly adopts the views of the general public as soon as this whole "elect a monarch" this is announced.

2. Regardless of whether or not you think they WOULD be elected, supposing you personally had to appoint one, who would it be? Would you at all be inclined to give yourself the position? If so, why would you want it?
Myself, obviously. No one, especially no one likely to get elected, is better suited for the position than me, for numerous reasons. I'd be the best leader, also for numerous reasons, and I'd love to have the chance to influence politics even if it's only in the small way I'd be allowed to. The extraordinary amount of money that I'm likely to get while being monarch also factors into my desire.

3. Do you think, given a good degree of acceptance of the citizens of the US, that this monarchy could last? How do you think the international community would react? Would they want to influence the choice?
The monarchy wouldn't be doing anything, and would give congress a good scapegoat because people are stupid, so yes, it would likely last a while. The international community wouldn't care unless the monarch had extreme political ideas, and even then they would only care because those views would, because the monarch was elected, be approved by the general populace. It would make news in most countries, but in the same way celebrities make news here: no one really gives a fuck what they do, they just like reading about them.

4. If it was simply decreed today, without any foregone conclusions about the general American population being more or less in favour of it, what do you think THEIR reaction would be? Would they be (obviously many would be) furious? Angered? Disconcerted? Apathetic? Content? Glad? Enthusiastic?
Most wouldn't like it as they'd ridiculously assume that it would be easy for a ceremonial monarch to become an actual politically relevant monarch, however most wouldn't be bottom-befuddled enough to actually do anything about it. Most would whine on tumblr about the injustice of having a monarch, some might yell and hold poorly-written signs, but that'd be the extent of it.



You truly don't believe their would be an armed Insurrection against an American Monarchy? The very system of governance this Nation cast off when it expelled the British during their founding as an independent Nation?

I truly believe that is the one system of governance that would be wholly unpopular; Just for historical sentimentality if nothing else and as you said People are stupid and you have plenty of outspoken politicians who would criticize the new regime i have no doubt. And once you have the masses believing it to be a bad thing then its popularity goes out the window and then you have either a peaceful dismantling of it as stated in the original constitution, the very document that would likely be cast aside for this change (another reason for political outcry)

Or you take it apart via violent military action, Much more likely in my eye.

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Postby Malfyria » Tue Sep 03, 2013 11:38 am

If the Americans decide to take away one of the few good things about their country I would predict American entry into the commonwealth and the house of Windsor becoming
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Postby Genivaria » Tue Sep 03, 2013 11:57 am

George Kaplan wrote:
Genivaria wrote:Morgan Freeman was asked to be President and he said he would only ever be Emperor, and the people said "so be it" and it was good.


Except he is blackmailed by a North Korean paramilitary group into recalling the seventh fleet from the Sea of Japan and orders the withdrawal of all US troops from the Korean DMZ. Until a Scottish lawyer turned actor saves the day and Aaron Eckhart becomes president once again.

God I hated that movie.
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Postby Oliver Boringwell » Tue Sep 03, 2013 11:59 am

Monarchies are fun and the US has to many fun things.

We must burn it all to the ground.

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Postby Karrgath » Tue Sep 03, 2013 12:01 pm

Genivaria wrote:
George Kaplan wrote:
Except he is blackmailed by a North Korean paramilitary group into recalling the seventh fleet from the Sea of Japan and orders the withdrawal of all US troops from the Korean DMZ. Until a Scottish lawyer turned actor saves the day and Aaron Eckhart becomes president once again.

God I hated that movie.


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Postby New Tsar Kingdom » Tue Sep 03, 2013 12:06 pm

Well, however you are, Capitalism, Communism and Fascism pushed the world in war. The British resisted this for a full year in the defense of the Empire-the Empire was achieved by Imperialism, and Imperialism was the and still is the Monarchy. Anyway, the USA should respect and follow their founders!

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