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Postby Norstal » Mon Sep 02, 2013 1:21 pm

Saint Kitten wrote:
Divair wrote:No it isn't.

I think he's talking about the debt. But that never stopped super powers from collapsing :P

Instead, we must increase the GDP per capita in order to create an absurd bubble. Like Latvia. Yes, we must follow Latvia's path of progress.
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Postby The Scientific States » Mon Sep 02, 2013 1:21 pm

Lamaredia wrote:
Brissia wrote:State secession is illegal. American Civil War....


You think that would matter when the US turns into Greece?


But it won't.
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Postby Lamaredia » Mon Sep 02, 2013 1:21 pm

Divair wrote:
Lamaredia wrote:
America is in 11th place. 11th

According to who?
7th here:
http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY. ... &sort=desc

6th here:
http://bit.ly/15hc2ex


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_co ... P_(nominal)_per_capita

Several sources where America is 11th place and lower.
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Postby Divair » Mon Sep 02, 2013 1:21 pm

Lamaredia wrote:
Brissia wrote:The American GDPpc is about 50k. Your point?


The Swedish GDPpc is about 60k. Sweden is more than 30 times smaller. Also, the American GDPpc is decreasing.

Actually it's 43k according to the World Bank and 41k according to the IMF.

And country size is entirely irrelevant. Do you even know what per capita means?

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Postby Vetter » Mon Sep 02, 2013 1:21 pm

The Grey Wolf wrote:Sounds good. Dissolve the United States and create various ethnic nation states.


Yes!

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Postby Pandeeria » Mon Sep 02, 2013 1:21 pm

Lamaredia wrote:
Brissia wrote:The American GDPpc is about 50k. Your point?


The Swedish GDPpc is about 60k[Citation Needed]. Sweden is more than 30 times smaller[Citation Needed]. Also, the American GDPpc is decreasing[Citation Needed].



Fixed.
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Postby Lamaredia » Mon Sep 02, 2013 1:21 pm

The Scientific States wrote:
Lamaredia wrote:
You think that would matter when the US turns into Greece?


But it won't.


It will if the debt continues to increase.
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Postby Divair » Mon Sep 02, 2013 1:21 pm

Lamaredia wrote:


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_co ... P_(nominal)_per_capita

Several sources where America is 11th place and lower.

Why the hell are you using nominal? Who cares about nominal figures?

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Postby The Scientific States » Mon Sep 02, 2013 1:22 pm

Lamaredia wrote:
The Scientific States wrote:
But it won't.


It will if the debt continues to increase.


The debt increase is coming to a halt.
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Postby Brissia » Mon Sep 02, 2013 1:22 pm

Lamaredia wrote:
Brissia wrote:State secession is illegal. American Civil War....


You think that would matter when the US turns into Greece?

Yeah, because, guess what: each American is supported somehow by all other states, and vice verca.
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Postby The Scientific States » Mon Sep 02, 2013 1:22 pm

Vetter wrote:
The Grey Wolf wrote:Sounds good. Dissolve the United States and create various ethnic nation states.


Yes!


No, Nope, and Please no.
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Postby Saint Kitten » Mon Sep 02, 2013 1:22 pm

Divair wrote:
Lamaredia wrote:
The states would probably secede after the US gets in the same situation as Greece.

So never.

Saint Kitten wrote:I think he's talking about the debt. But that never stopped super powers from collapsing :P

The debt is fine.


Just a few trillion. Could be worse i guess
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Postby Norstal » Mon Sep 02, 2013 1:22 pm

Divair wrote:
Lamaredia wrote:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_co ... P_(nominal)_per_capita

Several sources where America is 11th place and lower.

Why the hell are you using nominal? Who cares about nominal figures?

Because fucking numbers Divair. If it's LOW, it's BAD! AND WHAT IF IT'S NEGATIVE? IT'S BADDER! LIKE THE DEBT!
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Postby Divair » Mon Sep 02, 2013 1:22 pm

Lamaredia wrote:
The Scientific States wrote:
But it won't.


It will if the debt continues to increase.

No it won't. The US isn't experiencing mass unemployment, huge increases in social welfare usage, widespread tax evasion, and a lack of investor confidence.

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Postby Rosov » Mon Sep 02, 2013 1:23 pm

It can happen, but I doubt it will be anytime soon, if it does.
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Postby Arglorand » Mon Sep 02, 2013 1:23 pm

Arglorand wrote:
Lamaredia wrote:
The states would probably secede after the US gets in the same situation as Greece.

Because Crete, the Peloponnese, and Chalkidike have announced their intent to secede from Greece due to the economic crisis, amirite?

Still waiting for an answer.
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Postby Divair » Mon Sep 02, 2013 1:23 pm

Saint Kitten wrote:
Divair wrote:So never.


The debt is fine.


Just a few trillion. Could be worse i guess

Nominal figures are irrelevant. l2debt as a % of GDP. The US survived WW2, it can survive this quite easily.

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Postby Releign » Mon Sep 02, 2013 1:24 pm

This thread is the stupidestestestestestestestestest thread I have ever encountered in all m years of pokemon encounters.
I demand we try whoever wrote this load of conspiracy for 2nd degree bullshittery.

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Postby Saint Kitten » Mon Sep 02, 2013 1:24 pm

Divair wrote:
Saint Kitten wrote:
Just a few trillion. Could be worse i guess

Nominal figures are irrelevant. l2debt as a % of GDP. The US survived WW2, it can survive this quite easily.

I know, I was agreeing. If we really put our back into it, we could clear the debt in a year or two
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Postby Lamaredia » Mon Sep 02, 2013 1:24 pm

The Scientific States wrote:
Lamaredia wrote:
It will if the debt continues to increase.


The debt increase is coming to a halt.


And just as always, it will increase because Republicans will be voted into office again and again.

The two-party system is probably the most ridiculous thing ever.
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Visionary - 50%
Secular - 53%
Pacifist - 12%
Anthropocentric– 16%

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Socio-Economic Ideology = Social Democracy
Social Democracy = 100%
Democratic Socialism = 83%
Anarchism 58%


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Postby The Scientific States » Mon Sep 02, 2013 1:24 pm

Releign wrote:This thread is the stupidestestestestestestestestest thread I have ever encountered in all m years of pokemon encounters.
I demand we try whoever wrote this load of conspiracy for 2nd degree bullshittery.


I've seen stupider threads this summer.
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Postby Pandeeria » Mon Sep 02, 2013 1:25 pm

Arglorand wrote:
Arglorand wrote:Because Crete, the Peloponnese, and Chalkidike have announced their intent to secede from Greece due to the economic crisis, amirite?

Still waiting for an answer.


I'm also waiting for the citations.

Pandeeria wrote:
Lamaredia wrote:
The Swedish GDPpc is about 60k[Citation Needed]. Sweden is more than 30 times smaller[Citation Needed]. Also, the American GDPpc is decreasing[Citation Needed].



Fixed.
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Postby Brissia » Mon Sep 02, 2013 1:25 pm

Lamaredia wrote:
The Scientific States wrote:
The debt increase is coming to a halt.


And just as always, it will increase because Republicans will be voted into office again and again.

The two-party system is probably the most ridiculous thing ever.

Now that's just mean to Republicans, son.
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Postby Divair » Mon Sep 02, 2013 1:25 pm

Saint Kitten wrote:
Divair wrote:Nominal figures are irrelevant. l2debt as a % of GDP. The US survived WW2, it can survive this quite easily.

I know, I was agreeing. If we really put our back into it, we could clear the debt in a year or two

Not that there's any reason to, of course.

Lamaredia wrote:
The Scientific States wrote:
The debt increase is coming to a halt.


And just as always, it will increase because Republicans will be voted into office again and again.

The two-party system is probably the most ridiculous thing ever.

The GOP isn't going to win in 2016. Next.

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Postby Lamaredia » Mon Sep 02, 2013 1:25 pm

Arglorand wrote:
Arglorand wrote:Because Crete, the Peloponnese, and Chalkidike have announced their intent to secede from Greece due to the economic crisis, amirite?

Still waiting for an answer.


Is Crete, the Peloponnese and Chalkidike states? Do they basically have their own country within a country? No, didn't think so.
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Economic Left/Right: -6.75
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Result


Political test = Social Democrat
Cosmopolitan – 15%
Communistic - 44%
Anarchistic - 28%
Visionary - 50%
Secular - 53%
Pacifist - 12%
Anthropocentric– 16%

Result


Socio-Economic Ideology = Social Democracy
Social Democracy = 100%
Democratic Socialism = 83%
Anarchism 58%


Result
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