The Power of the Atom.

[Divair]

Nuclear power is amazing stuff. More please.

omg we agree on something

This is the only time it'll ever happen.

[Pontium]

I would be in favor when better safeguards are in place as well as disposal of nuclear waste that has ZERO chance of contaminating the planet.

[Maineiacs]

If we can just figure out how to do it.

We have been able to reliably create Uncontrolled Fusion for 60+ years.
Controllable for what? 30?
Now the hurdle is to make it cost efficient (IE Create more power than it creates to jump start it)

Last I heard, we also couldn't maintain a controlled reaction for more than about half a second.

[Yes Im Biop]

Yes, albeit with extensive caution.
More importantly, we should also focus on research for fusion reactors. It's a very difficult source of energy, but the successful invention of a fusion power plant would end all problems of our energy crisis.

Fusion has been "just 20 years away" for twenty years now.

I say we build a network of LFT reactors first, as they are safer, smaller, and more efficient than the Uranium plants that we built to provide ammo for the nuclear arms race. Once that's done, we can divert additional resources to trying to achieve fusion.

Most reactors reuse "Spent" Fuel till it is nothing but a bit of DU that's used in tank shot and armor

[Sociobiology]

We have been able to reliably create Uncontrolled Fusion for 60+ years.
Controllable for what? 30?
Now the hurdle is to make it cost efficient (IE Create more power than it creates to jump start it)

Last I heard, we also couldn't maintain a controlled reaction for more than about half a second.

oh they can maintain one just not maintain AND get more power out than they put in.

[Conscentia]

I never suggested we drop ITER before testing it. I simply don't think fusion should be the focus of our attention. Certainly, I do not think we should divert additional resources to it until LFTR is as well implemented as it should be.

The thing is, if ITER proves fusion to be a viable source of energy, why would we not focus on it? Yes, LFTR is one of the best sources of energy we have so far, but if fusion can actually generate energy would we not be better served using it?

Even if ITER is successful in producing a self-sustaining fusion reaction, there's no guarantee that the net energy generated will be more than that produced by a LFTR. There's also no guarantee that it'd be cost effective.

[Shaggai]

The thing is, if ITER proves fusion to be a viable source of energy, why would we not focus on it? Yes, LFTR is one of the best sources of energy we have so far, but if fusion can actually generate energy would we not be better served using it?

Even if ITER is successful in producing a self-sustaining fusion reaction, there's no guarantee that the net energy generated will be more than that produced by a LFTR. There's also not guarantee that it'd be cost effective.

Oh, I see. Thank you for explaining.

[Furious Grandmothers]

I would be in favor when better safeguards are in place as well as disposal of nuclear waste that has ZERO chance of contaminating the planet.

Like, in light of how fossil fuels are currently wantonly contaminating the planet right now?

[Immoren]

I would be in favor when better safeguards are in place as well as disposal of nuclear waste that has ZERO chance of contaminating the planet.

Drop unusable waste into Mariana Trench in heavy metal/lead capsules.
Problem=Solved.

[Tule]

Chernobyl is inhabitable for a few hours if you have radiation suits.

Yeah, But it's not like it will cook you instantly like people seem to believe (That being said I'm never going there outside of a NCB Sealed Tank)

Chernobyl is perfectly inhabitable. The area has become a wildlife sanctuary.

It's certainly not healthy, but living there would not be much worse than smoking a pack a day.

[Tule]

I would be in favor when better safeguards are in place as well as disposal of nuclear waste that has ZERO chance of contaminating the planet.

Drop unusable waste into Mariana Trench in heavy metal/lead capsules.
Problem=Solved.

Are you crazy? The lead could get out of the container.

Just vitrify the waste, put it in a stainless steel container and dump it into a deep hole in a geologically stable area far above the water table.

Y'know, like Yucca mountain.

[Yes Im Biop]

Drop unusable waste into Mariana Trench in heavy metal/lead capsules.
Problem=Solved.

Are you crazy? The lead could get out of the container.

Just vitrify the waste, put it in a stainless steel container and dump it into a deep hole in a geologically stable area far above the water table.

Y'know, like Yucca mountain.

We do have Titan...Saturn5's that didn't ever explode. We could just drop the shit into the sun

[Tule]

Are you crazy? The lead could get out of the container.

Just vitrify the waste, put it in a stainless steel container and dump it into a deep hole in a geologically stable area far above the water table.

Y'know, like Yucca mountain.

We do have Titan...Saturn5's that didn't ever explode. We could just drop the shit into the sun

Much more dangerous and expensive than burying it in old bedrock.

[Thesan]

I'm against uranium/plutonium reactors because we don't know how to eliminate a waste that can be extremely dangerous for millions of years plus Fukushima is really a good example of what happens when a power plant gets some damage...

I'm absolutely pro Thorium nuclear reactors and quite favorable to fusion.... mainly because thorium decades in "only" 500 years and it should be much more safer (I'm not so enthusiast about fusion because it'll need hydrogen to work and probably in the future will start a "water rush" instead of a "oil rush")... plus my country is the second main financier after the USA of these two projects so...

[Maineiacs]

Last I heard, we also couldn't maintain a controlled reaction for more than about half a second.

oh they can maintain one just not maintain AND get more power out than they put in.

Unfortunately, sounds like a pretty big hurdle to overcome, and one that won't be solved in my lifetime. Shame, really. Fusion does sound like a solution, only in the long term.

[Onekawa-Nukanor]

I've never been a fan of nuclear energy, but then, as a New Zealander, it isn't terribly surprising, ever since we told the US to 'fuck off' with all their nuclear-powered and/or armed vessels. It probably never helped anyone when the French were found guilty of the Rainbow Warrior attack, and then no nation overseas really bothered to condemn a violation of sovereignty,

Of course, in New Zealand we have all sorts of alternative power sources, such as Hydro, Geothermal and so forth. So we probably don't really need any.

[Tule]

I'm against uranium/plutonium reactors because we don't know how to eliminate a waste that can be extremely dangerous for millions of years

Yeah we do.

Even just dumping it into the Ocean should be considered, It was done for decades by all the major nuclear states and the Environmental effects have been negligible. Turns out that water provides excellent radiation shielding.

Fukushima is really a good example of what happens when a power plant gets some damage...

Not really, the plant was built in the 60's.

This plant was closer to the epicenter and was also hit by the Tsunami. It shut down without incident and became a refuge for locals who lost their homes. It was built in the 80's.

That being said I am also a big fan of Thorium.

[NERVUN]

just look at what happended to chernobyl

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Godfuckingdamnit people.
For the 5th time in the thread.

1: Idiots at the controls
2: Idiotic building it
3: Graphite control rods
4: They wanted to see what would happen if it was Redlined
This was last page.

And I noticed that you don't have an answer for me.

[NERVUN]

Y'know, like Yucca mountain.

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Learn the issues of Yucca Mountain.

[Tule]

Y'know, like Yucca mountain.

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Learn the issues of Yucca Mountain.

What? Nimbyism, sentimentality and politics?

It's a perfectly safe place to put the waste.

[Yes Im Biop]

We do have Titan...Saturn5's that didn't ever explode. We could just drop the shit into the sun

Much more dangerous and expensive than burying it in old bedrock.

Not really. Yuccan is not a good place to bury Waste anyway. Nowhere is. Except probably the earth's core.
Neither are cheap. But both will get rid of ti forever

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Godfuckingdamnit people.
For the 5th time in the thread.

1: Idiots at the controls
2: Idiotic building it
3: Graphite control rods
4: They wanted to see what would happen if it was Redlined
This was last page.

And I noticed that you don't have an answer for me.

An answer to what question?

[Yes Im Biop]

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Learn the issues of Yucca Mountain.

What? Nimbyism, sentimentality and politics?

It's a perfectly safe place to put the waste.

I remember reading about one such waste site. It kinda exploded and wiped a 150 mile area off the map.

[Regnum Dominae]

What? Nimbyism, sentimentality and politics?

It's a perfectly safe place to put the waste.

I remember reading about one such waste site. It kinda exploded and wiped a 150 mile area off the map.

Link?

[Yes Im Biop]

I remember reading about one such waste site. It kinda exploded and wiped a 150 mile area off the map.

Link?

It was in an old Chemical waste book.

[Furious Grandmothers]

Link?

It was in an old Chemical waste book.

How old is old?