Ahh faith healing.

[Genivaria]

It's not my fault many of you aren't open to the possibility that faith healing can work and that sometimes God does intervene and show us miracles...

It's sad really.

I see that there's no convincing people with narrow views... I've seen plenty of things in my life that are better explained by religion or magic than science... I'm sure listing them won't convince anyone.

Just think of this way... science bestows us with the tools to measure the laws of the natural world. It is restricted to the natural world and being a man-made tools, has serious limitations.

It can never hope to comprehend the supernatural in a manner that is ''scientific''... It doesn't work like that. There are things that are out of the reach of science...

Things are not true because you claim they are, you actually have to prove them.
You've refused to provide any proof for your insane claims so I dub thee a liar.

[Blasveck]

It's not my fault many of you aren't open to the possibility that faith healing can work and that sometimes God does intervene and show us miracles...

It's sad really.

I see that there's no convincing people with narrow views... I've seen plenty of things in my life that are better explained by religion or magic than science... I'm sure listing them won't convince anyone.

Just think of this way... science bestows us with the tools to measure the laws of the natural world. It is restricted to the natural world and being a man-made tools, has serious limitations.

It can never hope to comprehend the supernatural in a manner that is ''scientific''... It doesn't work like that. There are things that are out of the reach of science...

You wan to know why I doubt it Kefka?

Because a member of my family fucking died because somebody decided, "Hey, we don't need doctors! Faith heals all!"

[Lost heros]

It's not my fault many of you aren't open to the possibility that faith healing can work and that sometimes God does intervene and show us miracles...

It's sad really.

What's sad is that you have more faith in a mythical being that you can't prove exists than a bunch of scientists and doctors who spend the majority of their lives learning and trying to find the cure to the many diseases that plague society today.

I see that there's no convincing people with narrow views... I've seen plenty of things in my life that are better explained by religion or magic than science... I'm sure listing them won't convince anyone.

Examples?

Just think of this way... science bestows us with the tools to measure the laws of the natural world. It is restricted to the natural world and being a man-made tools, has serious limitations.

It can never hope to comprehend the supernatural in a manner that is ''scientific''... It doesn't work like that. There are things that are out of the reach of science...

So we should believe in a mythical god that told us the wrong things about the natural world?

[Floating mountain]

There are things that are out of the reach of science...

Souce

[Genivaria]

It's not my fault many of you aren't open to the possibility that faith healing can work and that sometimes God does intervene and show us miracles...

It's sad really.

I see that there's no convincing people with narrow views... I've seen plenty of things in my life that are better explained by religion or magic than science... I'm sure listing them won't convince anyone.

Just think of this way... science bestows us with the tools to measure the laws of the natural world. It is restricted to the natural world and being a man-made tools, has serious limitations.

It can never hope to comprehend the supernatural in a manner that is ''scientific''... It doesn't work like that. There are things that are out of the reach of science...

You wan to know why I doubt it Kefka?

Because a member of my family fucking died because somebody decided, "Hey, we don't need doctors! Faith heals all!"

I'm sorry to hear that Blas. What happened after?

[Blasveck]

You wan to know why I doubt it Kefka?

Because a member of my family fucking died because somebody decided, "Hey, we don't need doctors! Faith heals all!"

I'm sorry to hear that Blas. What happened after?

Many words were exchanged.

The whole family hated him for it for a long time. It only happened once though so there's that at least.

[Caecuser]

It's not my fault many of you aren't open to the possibility that faith healing can work and that sometimes God does intervene and show us miracles...

It's sad really.

I see that there's no convincing people with narrow views... I've seen plenty of things in my life that are better explained by religion or magic than science... I'm sure listing them won't convince anyone.

Just think of this way... science bestows us with the tools to measure the laws of the natural world. It is restricted to the natural world and being a man-made tools, has serious limitations.

It can never hope to comprehend the supernatural in a manner that is ''scientific''... It doesn't work like that. There are things that are out of the reach of science...

It's fortunate we live in the natural world then and the supernatural one is irrelevant/non-existent.

[God Kefka]

It's not my fault many of you aren't open to the possibility that faith healing can work and that sometimes God does intervene and show us miracles...

It's sad really.

I see that there's no convincing people with narrow views... I've seen plenty of things in my life that are better explained by religion or magic than science... I'm sure listing them won't convince anyone.

Just think of this way... science bestows us with the tools to measure the laws of the natural world. It is restricted to the natural world and being a man-made tools, has serious limitations.

It can never hope to comprehend the supernatural in a manner that is ''scientific''... It doesn't work like that. There are things that are out of the reach of science...

It's fortunate we live in the natural world then and the supernatural one is irrelevant/non-existent.

Doesn't quite work like that...

[Genivaria]

I'm sorry to hear that Blas. What happened after?

Many words were exchanged.

The whole family hated him for it for a long time. It only happened once though so there's that at least.

I'm glad at least that a lesson was learned from it even with the high cost, many people never learn from such mistakes sadly.

[Caecuser]

It's fortunate we live in the natural world then and the supernatural one is irrelevant/non-existent.

Doesn't quite work like that...

It kinda does.

[Genivaria]

It's fortunate we live in the natural world then and the supernatural one is irrelevant/non-existent.

Doesn't quite work like that...

Yes it does. Unless you have evidence to the contrary.

[God Kefka]

Doesn't quite work like that...

Yes it does. Unless you have evidence to the contrary.

Plenty of people, myself included, can attest to seeing happenings that can be explained by supernatural mechanisms but not by scientific mechanisms.

Also, the two realms intersect... I am sure you've heard of ghosts...

[Pan Asian Amercian Coalition]

Happy thoughts and good intentions aren't going to stop that polio

[Genivaria]

Yes it does. Unless you have evidence to the contrary.

Plenty of people, myself included, can attest to seeing happenings that can be explained by supernatural mechanisms but not by scientific mechanisms.

Also, the two realms intersect... I am sure you've heard of ghosts...

Evidence not anecdotes, and yes I've also heard of goblins, faeries, unicorns, centaurs, vampires and werewolves.
I don't believe in those either.

[Democratic Republic of Sapientia]

Yes it does. Unless you have evidence to the contrary.

Plenty of people, myself included, can attest to seeing happenings that can be explained by supernatural mechanisms but not by scientific mechanisms.

Also, the two realms intersect... I am sure you've heard of ghosts...

I'm sorry but but I can't accept circumstantial evidence, you may have seen things you personally could not explain but that does not mean it was "supernatural". As for ghosts, again all the evidence is circumstantial and can usually be explained by other factors. Out of curiosity, what are the details of these "happenings"?

[God Kefka]

Plenty of people, myself included, can attest to seeing happenings that can be explained by supernatural mechanisms but not by scientific mechanisms.

Also, the two realms intersect... I am sure you've heard of ghosts...

Evidence not anecdotes, and yes I've also heard of goblins, faeries, unicorns, centaurs, vampires and werewolves.
I don't believe in those either.

Anecdotes are evidence where the person giving the anecdote is not insane.

Witness testimonies qualify as evidence in courts of law no?

So there you go... I do have evidence. Plenty. Unless you want to suggest that EVERYONE who saw ghosts or any kind of supernatural event was insane... You do know the odds of that are infinitesimally small?

[Arglorand]

Plenty of people, myself included, can attest to seeing happenings that can be explained by supernatural mechanisms but not by scientific mechanisms.

Also, the two realms intersect... I am sure you've heard of ghosts...

Evidence not anecdotes, and yes I've also heard of goblins, faeries, unicorns, centaurs, vampires and werewolves.
I don't believe in those either.

I'll have you know I have some very good centaur friends.

Yes, they haven't shown up in my room when my parents weren't around since when I was seven, but they exist.

[God Kefka]

Evidence not anecdotes, and yes I've also heard of goblins, faeries, unicorns, centaurs, vampires and werewolves.
I don't believe in those either.

I'll have you know I have some very good centaur friends.

Yes, they haven't shown up in my room when my parents weren't around since when I was seven, but they exist.

Good for you then... if you are telling the truth.

[Genivaria]

Evidence not anecdotes, and yes I've also heard of goblins, faeries, unicorns, centaurs, vampires and werewolves.
I don't believe in those either.

1. Anecdotes are evidence where the person giving the anecdote is not insane.

2. Witness testimonies qualify as evidence in courts of law no?

So there you go... I do have evidence. Plenty. Unless you want to suggest that EVERYONE who saw ghosts or any kind of supernatural event was insane... You do know the odds of that are infinitesimally small?

1. No they don't.
2. Not by themselves no.
So no you have no evidence.

And appeal to popularity is not an argument.

[Democratic Republic of Sapientia]

Evidence not anecdotes, and yes I've also heard of goblins, faeries, unicorns, centaurs, vampires and werewolves.
I don't believe in those either.

Anecdotes are evidence where the person giving the anecdote is not insane.

Witness testimonies qualify as evidence in courts of law no?

So there you go... I do have evidence. Plenty. Unless you want to suggest that EVERYONE who saw ghosts or any kind of supernatural event was insane... You do know the odds of that are infinitesimally small?

You do not have to be insane to misidentify or misunderstand something.

[Caecuser]

Evidence not anecdotes, and yes I've also heard of goblins, faeries, unicorns, centaurs, vampires and werewolves.
I don't believe in those either.

Anecdotes are evidence where the person giving the anecdote is not insane.

Witness testimonies qualify as evidence in courts of law no?

So there you go... I do have evidence. Plenty. Unless you want to suggest that EVERYONE who saw ghosts or any kind of supernatural event was insane... You do know the odds of that are infinitesimally small?

This isn't a court of law and people can't be reliable witnesses in this case - people can make up whatever they like or convince themselves of whatever they want.

[Caecuser]

I'll have you know I have some very good centaur friends.

Yes, they haven't shown up in my room when my parents weren't around since when I was seven, but they exist.

Good for you then... if you are telling the truth.

He's obviously joking - Centaurs don't exist and neither do ghosts.

[Arglorand]

I'll have you know I have some very good centaur friends.

Yes, they haven't shown up in my room when my parents weren't around since when I was seven, but they exist.

Good for you then... if you are telling the truth.

You cannot seriously have taken that seriously.

[God Kefka]

Anecdotes are evidence where the person giving the anecdote is not insane.

Witness testimonies qualify as evidence in courts of law no?

So there you go... I do have evidence. Plenty. Unless you want to suggest that EVERYONE who saw ghosts or any kind of supernatural event was insane... You do know the odds of that are infinitesimally small?

This isn't a court of law and people can't be reliable witnesses in this case - people can make up whatever they like or convince themselves of whatever they want.

It's still a type of evidence. If you saw something and you tell people about what you saw... it's a form of testimony.

Before the advent of modern forensic science, witness testimonies may have been one of the ONLY types of evidence courts relied on. Are you telling me that didn't count as evidence?

Also, doesn't your approach seem a bit close-minded?

You want to prove the existence of the supernatural (by definition it is supernatural because it transcends the world of the natural and is probably at least on some level above the methods of science)... with tools from the natural world (science).

It doesn't work like that. You can't prove using science what by definition cannot be proved by science...

[Shaggai]

Evidence not anecdotes, and yes I've also heard of goblins, faeries, unicorns, centaurs, vampires and werewolves.
I don't believe in those either.

Anecdotes are evidence where the person giving the anecdote is not insane.

Witness testimonies qualify as evidence in courts of law no?

So there you go... I do have evidence. Plenty. Unless you want to suggest that EVERYONE who saw ghosts or any kind of supernatural event was insane... You do know the odds of that are infinitesimally small?

You can hallucinate without being insane. If you are overly tired or hungry or even just randomly, you can hallucinate.