Ahh faith healing.

[Shaggai]

Faith healing should be banned.

That would be an infringement on the freedom of religion....

So no.

For once we agree. Faith healing should not be banned. Whatever methods consenting adults use to try and heal themselves should be allowed if they cause no harm to others.

Of course, failing to give children proper medical care should be illegal, so it's all fine.

[The Serbian Empire]

Depends on the denomination, they still invoke magic however.

Not really. From an atheist's viewpoint, maybe, but to a religious person it's just faith.

Blind faith... Jesus Take the Wheel only makes a good song and not a mindset to live life with.

[Wisconsin9]

Mind you, I'm only against faith healing in the cases of minors and infectious disease. If you want God to set your broken arm, I've got no problem with you asking.

[Solaray]

Well, not really, unless I'm missing something. Adding in prayer to a standard medical procedure shouldn't cause any negative effects from my understanding.

Whether it shouldn't is wholly irrelevant. Though, if you do pray for them, don't actually tell them. It seems that the patients that know others are praying for them experience the largest amount of complications.

That's strange, but alright. I'd imagine it's got something to do with what I initially thought, with the whole "will to live" business.

[Solaray]

Not really. From an atheist's viewpoint, maybe, but to a religious person it's just faith.

Blind faith... Jesus Take the Wheel only makes a good song and not a mindset to live life with.

One shouldn't base their whole life on their faith. Even priests and pastors have a life outside the faith. A persons faith is something similar to their sexuality, in that it's typically only one aspect of their person.

[Mavorpen]

Whether it shouldn't is wholly irrelevant. Though, if you do pray for them, don't actually tell them. It seems that the patients that know others are praying for them experience the largest amount of complications.

That's strange, but alright. I'd imagine it's got something to do with what I initially thought, with the whole "will to live" business.

Actually it was hypothesized that the culprit is stress. Again though, it's unsure.

[Solaray]

It is faith, which is not a bad thing. And you're just being nonsensical with the magic business.

Faith is an awful thing. You believe that God can do things without any explanation. AKA magic.

This is just ignorance to how religion and faith actually works. Do you actually know anything about religion, or just what your idols Maher and Dawkins tell you?

[Solaray]

That's strange, but alright. I'd imagine it's got something to do with what I initially thought, with the whole "will to live" business.

Actually it was hypothesized that the culprit is stress. Again though, it's unsure.

Hmm, learn something everyday...

[The Serbian Empire]

Blind faith... Jesus Take the Wheel only makes a good song and not a mindset to live life with.

One shouldn't base their whole life on their faith. Even priests and pastors have a life outside the faith. A persons faith is something similar to their sexuality, in that it's typically only one aspect of their person.

Blind faith is dangerous in comparison. They merely possess faith except for the faith healing types.

[Wolfmanne]

One of the many reasons I do not like religion.

Ideology in general should really be abolished.

And in it's place, Parkus shall be installed as Dictator of the world and his ideology shall be the only one allowed. Everyone else must be apathetic, amirite?

[Solaray]

One shouldn't base their whole life on their faith. Even priests and pastors have a life outside the faith. A persons faith is something similar to their sexuality, in that it's typically only one aspect of their person.

Blind faith is dangerous in comparison. They merely possess faith except for the faith healing types.

Faith healing is more a scam than anything. If one wants to be healed through faith on their own free will, whatever. But if they impose it on minors or there dependents, then we have a problem.

[Utceforp]

Faith is an awful thing. You believe that God can do things without any explanation. AKA magic.

This is just ignorance to how religion and faith actually works.

relevent. Evidence trumps faith.

Do you actually know anything about religion, or just what your idols Maher and Dawkins tell you?

I don't know who "Maher" is, and honestly, I've never read anything by Dawkins, I only know his name from a few debates I've been in on this site. Strawman much?

[Yes Im Biop]

Funny how you pretend as though you care about science and yet apparently don't understand how it works.

Until you provide evidence for a God, we fall back onto the null hypothesis, which is that God doesn't exist.

Except God can't be proven or disproven... he's greater than science. Do you see the logical problem?

Science isn't God...

God is not subordinate to anything created by mankind... you can't use tools created by mankind to understand him 100%.

The only thing you can do is pray on a regular basis... He will choose to reveal His will to you from time to time.

I see a total denial in progress. It's not healthy.

[Solaray]

This is just ignorance to how religion and faith actually works.

relevent. Evidence trumps faith.

Do you actually know anything about religion, or just what your idols Maher and Dawkins tell you?

I don't know who "Maher" is, and honestly, I've never read anything by Dawkins, I only know his name from a few debates I've been in on this site. Strawman much?

You wanna talk about strawman? What do you call that comic?

[Utceforp]

relevent. Evidence trumps faith.

I don't know who "Maher" is, and honestly, I've never read anything by Dawkins, I only know his name from a few debates I've been in on this site. Strawman much?

You wanna talk about strawman? What do you call that comic?

The problems with using faith in any given situation, religious or otherwise?

[Yes Im Biop]

If you'd read my post, you'd know that I didn't say a single thing about God being proven or disproved.

But it's nice to see you that you admit you have no evidence.

I have heard the voice of God many times so I pretty much know He's real.

Love I've heard many voices in my head NONE of which are real. Most are nice though. Edd, Edd though is an asshole

[Solaray]

You wanna talk about strawman? What do you call that comic?

The problems with using faith in any given situation, religious or otherwise?

No. That was strawman and hyperbole. Religious faith is not the same as having faith in any given thing and relying solely on faith for every single thing in life. All the comic proved is that you have little to no understanding in how religious faith works.

[Utceforp]

The problems with using faith in any given situation, religious or otherwise?

No. That was strawman and hyperbole. Religious faith is not the same as having faith in any given thing and relying solely on faith for every single thing in life. All the comic proved is that you have little to no understanding in how religious faith works.

What's the point in your argument? What could people possibly have to gain by preferring faith over logic and going "yes, there is a god." Why believe in God?

[Solaray]

No. That was strawman and hyperbole. Religious faith is not the same as having faith in any given thing and relying solely on faith for every single thing in life. All the comic proved is that you have little to no understanding in how religious faith works.

What's the point in your argument? What could people possibly have to gain by preferring faith over logic and going "yes, there is a god." Why believe in God?

Spiritual well-being, a sense of confidence and tranquility, general happiness, fellowship, a sense of purpose. The list goes on.

[Utceforp]

What's the point in your argument? What could people possibly have to gain by preferring faith over logic and going "yes, there is a god." Why believe in God?

Spiritual well-being, a sense of confidence and tranquility, general happiness, fellowship, a sense of purpose. The list goes on.

You don't need religion to be happy, have friends or have a sense of purpose. By saying that you prove your ignorance and your arrogance.

[Solaray]

Spiritual well-being, a sense of confidence and tranquility, general happiness, fellowship, a sense of purpose. The list goes on.

You don't need religion to be happy, have friends or have a sense of purpose. By saying that you prove your ignorance and your arrogance.

I wasn't saying that. I was saying that religion offers those things to many people, and it's one way to achieve those things.

Don't jump to conclusions, it's foolhardy.

[Utceforp]

You don't need religion to be happy, have friends or have a sense of purpose. By saying that you prove your ignorance and your arrogance.

I wasn't saying that. I was saying that religion offers those things to many people, and it's one way to achieve those things.

Don't jump to conclusions, it's foolhardy.

Given the price to pay for those small rewards is people being able to justify their racism, homophobia and luddism, among other things, the existence of religion isn't something to be encouraged.

[Genivaria]

That would be an infringement on the freedom of religion....

So no.

For once we agree. Faith healing should not be banned. Whatever methods consenting adults use to try and heal themselves should be allowed if they cause no harm to others.

Of course, failing to give children proper medical care should be illegal, so it's all fine.

Agreed. They can practice whatever tribal voodoo they want as long as they then go to an actual doctor.
If they allow a child in their care to die from something preventable then they should be arrested.

[Genivaria]

Mind you, I'm only against faith healing in the cases of minors and infectious disease. If you want God to set your broken arm, I've got no problem with you asking.

Well of course, it's the fact that the child can't legally consent to it that's the issue and the fact that they are their parents responsibility.
If some nut wants to handle snakes and gets bitten then what do I care?

[Solaray]

I wasn't saying that. I was saying that religion offers those things to many people, and it's one way to achieve those things.

Don't jump to conclusions, it's foolhardy.

Given the price to pay for those small rewards is people being able to justify their racism, homophobia and luddism, among other things, the existence of religion isn't something to be encouraged.

Wow. That's a gross generalization and just downright dumb to say. Stalin killed a bunch of people. Staling promoted atheism. Does that mean all atheists are Stalinists who advocate mass killing? No. Does it mean atheism should be discouraged? No. Don't make generalizations.