Ahh faith healing.

[Solaray]

You're grasping at straws now. Religion and theology don't require proof because they are a belief system. Atheism works similarly, but not quite the same. The existence of deity or lack therefore of, is something that cannot be scientifically proven. Once you understand that, you'll realize that you are wrong.

That is exactly why we cannot believe a God exists. Because there is no way to prove or disprove its existence. I could say that on the other side of the universe there's a pink fluffy bunny who shoots butterflies from its belly button the size of the sun. You can't prove me wrong, but I can't prove I'm right. However, the argument that "giant fluffy butterfly space-bunny" exists makes the most assumptions, therefore it has the burden of proof, therefore it must be considered incorrect. Also, Atheism is not based on belief, but rather, facts.

If you cannot prove that something exists or does not exist, than it is up to people to decide whether they believe that it exists. No one is more right or wrong than the other in that case.

[Neo-Assyrian Empire]

If you'd read my post, you'd know that I didn't say a single thing about God being proven or disproved.

But it's nice to see you that you admit you have no evidence.

I have heard the voice of God many times so I pretty much know He's real.

How is it that most people never hear him and yet you hear him often? I'm at the point where I can't believe a single word you say... er, post

[The Black Forrest]

Of course not. How are you supposed to pray when you don't have hands?

Use your feet.

But if you do that aren't you sending your prayers towards hell?

[Solaray]

That still does not disprove the existence of a deity. You believe God doesn't exist. You don't know God doesn't exist, because you can't know. I believe God does exist, but I do not know God exists. You have to consider that the existence or non-existence of a deity is not something that can be proven. There is no evidence, because there can't be evidence. It's something outside the realms of science.

God is an unfalsifiable claim, as you have pointed out, which means we must assume it is not real. See my earlier post:

That is exactly why we cannot believe a God exists. Because there is no way to prove or disprove its existence. I could say that on the other side of the universe there's a pink fluffy bunny who shoots butterflies from its belly button the size of the sun. You can't prove me wrong, but I can't prove I'm right. However, the argument that "giant fluffy butterfly space-bunny" exists makes the most assumptions, therefore it has the burden of proof, therefore it must be considered incorrect. Also, Atheism is not based on belief, but rather, facts.

Just because something cannot be proven, does not mean we must assume it does't exist. You can assume, but you don't have to assume.

[God Kefka]

Except God can't be proven or disproven... he's greater than science. Do you see the logical problem?

Science isn't God...

God is not subordinate to anything created by mankind... you can't use tools created by mankind to understand him 100%.

The only thing you can do is pray on a regular basis... He will choose to reveal His will to you from time to time.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falsifiability

Exactly why God isn't real.

You are falling into the very trap I am describing.

The problem lies with your tools...

You are using man-made tools to try and discern absolute reality about a being infinitely greater than yourself or your tools...

[Utceforp]

If you'd read my post, you'd know that I didn't say a single thing about God being proven or disproved.

But it's nice to see you that you admit you have no evidence.

I have heard the voice of God many times so I pretty much know He's real.

Everyone has heard the voice of their deity at some point in their life, it doesn't matter if they're Muslim, Jewish, Christian, Roman, Sumerian...

With all these groups claiming to have heard their gods, your claim doesn't offer much in the way of concrete proof.

[Neo Rome Republic]

That is exactly why we cannot believe a God exists. Because there is no way to prove or disprove its existence. I could say that on the other side of the universe there's a pink fluffy bunny who shoots butterflies from its belly button the size of the sun. You can't prove me wrong, but I can't prove I'm right. However, the argument that "giant fluffy butterfly space-bunny" exists makes the most assumptions, therefore it has the burden of proof, therefore it must be considered incorrect. Also, Atheism is not based on belief, but rather, facts.

If you cannot prove that something exists or does not exist, than it is up to people to decide whether they believe that it exists. No one is more right or wrong than the other in that case.

Assuming that is true, there is still the matter of which is more logical. So even then, they still aren't equiprobable.

[Chinese Regions]

If you'd read my post, you'd know that I didn't say a single thing about God being proven or disproved.

But it's nice to see you that you admit you have no evidence.

I have heard the voice of God many times so I pretty much know He's real.

Who hasn't seen a film with Morgan Freeman in?

[Mavorpen]

If you'd read my post, you'd know that I didn't say a single thing about God being proven or disproved.

But it's nice to see you that you admit you have no evidence.

I have heard the voice of God many times so I pretty much know He's real.

Cool, thanks for admitting you have no evidence.

[Edlichbury]

If you'd read my post, you'd know that I didn't say a single thing about God being proven or disproved.

But it's nice to see you that you admit you have no evidence.

I have heard the voice of God many times so I pretty much know He's real.

Was this voice later Batman's corporate helper?

[Shaggai]

You mean Yahweh? Yahweh was a war god, not a god of fortune. Or healing for that matter.

Hardly

God translates from Gad, the Semitic deity of fortune worshiped by the Tyreans, Canaanites, moabites, and ammonites.

No, actually, the God of the Israelites is referred to in the Bible as either Yahweh or El, El meaning god and Yahweh being the Canaanite war god.

[Solaray]

That still does not disprove the existence of a deity.

I never said it did.

Are you intentionally not understanding what I'm actually arguing so that you can continue to pretend you have an actual argument?

You had said that God doesn't exist. Granted you meant that you believe God doesn't exist via null hypothesis, so... whoops.

[Utceforp]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falsifiability

Exactly why God isn't real.

You are falling into the very trap I am describing.

The problem lies with your tools...

You are using man-made tools to try and discern absolute reality about a being infinitely greater than yourself or your tools...

You are using the Bible, also known as a man-made tool, to try and discern reality. The only difference between you and I is that your "tool" is thousands of years out of date and explains things by saying that they're magic.

[Mavorpen]

You had said that God doesn't exist. Granted you meant that you believe God doesn't exist via null hypothesis, so... whoops.

Right, so you admit your post was a bullshit straw man?

[Solaray]

You had said that God doesn't exist. Granted you meant that you believe God doesn't exist via null hypothesis, so... whoops.

Right, so you admit your post was a bullshit straw man?

I wouldn't say straw man per se. I'd go more along the lines of misunderstanding.

[Edlichbury]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falsifiability

Exactly why God isn't real.

You are falling into the very trap I am describing.

The problem lies with your tools...

You are using man-made tools to try and discern absolute reality about a being infinitely greater than yourself or your tools...

God's will supposedly came to us through writings, a man-made tool. Why is your tool of writing superior?

[God Kefka]

I have heard the voice of God many times so I pretty much know He's real.

Cool, thanks for admitting you have no evidence.

If hearing the voice of God Himself in prayer doesn't count as ''evidence'' to you... then this requires such a radical re-definition of evidence that I wouldn't even recognize the word anymore.

It's clear to you that NOTHING counts as evidence besides evidence towards what you want to believe...

I am pretty sure that if you heard the voice of God YOU would consider it pretty good evidence.

Though of course it requires humility first. You see you have to believe before God reveals Himself to you, that's USUALLY (though not always) how He works...

[Benuty]

Hardly

God translates from Gad, the Semitic deity of fortune worshiped by the Tyreans, Canaanites, moabites, and ammonites.

No, actually, the God of the Israelites is referred to in the Bible as either Yahweh or El, El meaning god and Yahweh being the Canaanite war god.

Wasn't El the husband of Asherah, chief of the semitic pantheon, and creator of all in Semitic mythology?

[The Serbian Empire]

I am strongly against faith healing. Why? Well, I am a wonder of modern medicine who probably wouldn't be alive otherwise.

[God Kefka]

You are falling into the very trap I am describing.

The problem lies with your tools...

You are using man-made tools to try and discern absolute reality about a being infinitely greater than yourself or your tools...

God's will supposedly came to us through writings, a man-made tool. Why is your tool of writing superior?

God used the tools of writing to spread His word... it was in the service of His will.

YOU are trying to use man-made tools and turn them against God. An impossible task because is greater than your proofs, theorems, theories etc...

[Mavorpen]

Cool, thanks for admitting you have no evidence.

If hearing the voice of God Himself in prayer doesn't count as ''evidence'' to you...

Of course it doesn't. Otherwise, this would mean that Zeus and Thor exist.

[Utceforp]

Cool, thanks for admitting you have no evidence.

If hearing the voice of God Himself in prayer doesn't count as ''evidence'' to you... then this requires such a radical re-definition of evidence that I wouldn't even recognize the word anymore.

It's clear to you that NOTHING counts as evidence besides evidence towards what you want to believe...

I am pretty sure that if you heard the voice of God YOU would consider it pretty good evidence.

Though of course it requires humility first. You see you have to believe before God reveals Himself to you, that's USUALLY (though not always) how He works...

If I heard the voice of God, and I know 100% that I was NOT, in fact, insane/secretly given hallucinogenic drugs, I would believe in God. If I hear someone SAYING they heard the voice of God, I tend not to immediately convert to Christianity.

[Neo Rome Republic]

Cool, thanks for admitting you have no evidence.

If hearing the voice of God Himself in prayer doesn't count as ''evidence'' to you... then this requires such a radical re-definition of evidence that I wouldn't even recognize the word anymore.

It's clear to you that NOTHING counts as evidence besides evidence towards what you want to believe...

I am pretty sure that if you heard the voice of God YOU would consider it pretty good evidence.

Though of course it requires humility first. You see you have to believe before God reveals Himself to you, that's USUALLY (though not always) how He works...

Actually, if I heard the voice of God, I'd seek medical help.

[Benuty]

I am strongly against faith healing. Why? Well, I am a wonder of modern medicine who probably wouldn't be alive otherwise.

Pretty much anyone born has need help from modern medicine so in a sense this whole abstaining of modern medicine is a tad bit hypocritical.

[Edlichbury]

Cool, thanks for admitting you have no evidence.

If hearing the voice of God Himself in prayer doesn't count as ''evidence'' to you... then this requires such a radical re-definition of evidence that I wouldn't even recognize the word anymore.

It's clear to you that NOTHING counts as evidence besides evidence towards what you want to believe...

I am pretty sure that if you heard the voice of God YOU would consider it pretty good evidence.

Though of course it requires humility first. You see you have to believe before God reveals Himself to you, that's USUALLY (though not always) how He works...

In that case, I heard the voice of Robert Downey Jr. Obviously, he is God now.