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Postby Dakini » Sun Sep 01, 2013 9:26 pm

The North Polish Union wrote:
Dakini wrote:What.

They did pull the ad of their own accord. Did you just read the OP which presented this ad as a "dark skinned person" and skip to the end of the thread or...?

Having read the whole OP before posting in the thread and having just re-read it after seeing your post, I got the impression that Dunkin' Donuts Thailand HQ was essentially coerced by Western groups into removing an ad that no one in Thailand viewed as offensive. That is not "pulling the ad of their own accord."

Right. So, like I said, you just read the OP which was full of shit (as I pointed out, the OP also claimed the ad featured a dark skinned person when it does not).

...I wasn't comparing to post-reconstruction era. If anything, the roots of blackface and minstrel shows are in slavery which involved abduction, cultural genocide, forced work and extensive abuse. Followed, of course, by widespread discrimination which persists to this day.

I'm still not quite seeing that as quite equal to the actions of Nazi Germany. Point taken however.
But you know, thanks for trying to pretend you know what I'm talking about.

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Maybe you could try reading something other than the OP and last posts of a thread. Especially when the OP is by Hippo, who has this habit of misrepresenting the facts in order to blame liberals for everything.

Then perhaps you'll know what other people are arguing instead of inserting your opinion of what you think they're arguing.


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Postby Yumyumsuppertime » Sun Sep 01, 2013 9:41 pm

Regnum Dominae wrote:Hippo,

You have said in the past that the sole responsibility of a business is to generate profit:

Hippostania wrote:
Yes it is. Everything else is secondary.


And that's exactly what this business was doing. Consumers complained, and the company responded by doing what the consumers asked of them. If they had ignored the consumers, their bottom line would have suffered, and the company would have failed to generate maximum profit for its shareholders. To ignore the demands of these consumers would have been a blatantly anti-profit move, and you know it.

Stop being so hypocritical - or, should I say, hippocritical, and stop ignoring your own principles when it suits your "EVIL AMERICA-HATING LIBERALS" narrative.

But that's just the commie's two cents.


Hippo? Hippo ain't been seen in these parts for ages, no sir. Just founded the thread, then disappeared for good. We sent out search parties, but all they could find was an American flag lapel, a tear-stained copy of Atlas Shrugged, and a pair of boxer briefs with a bald eagle silk screened across the crotch. However, they say on some nights, when the moon is full and the wind blows in from the west, you can hear the faint strains of "God Bless America" sung in a Finnish accent.

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Postby Dakini » Sun Sep 01, 2013 9:44 pm

Yumyumsuppertime wrote:
Regnum Dominae wrote:Hippo,

You have said in the past that the sole responsibility of a business is to generate profit:



And that's exactly what this business was doing. Consumers complained, and the company responded by doing what the consumers asked of them. If they had ignored the consumers, their bottom line would have suffered, and the company would have failed to generate maximum profit for its shareholders. To ignore the demands of these consumers would have been a blatantly anti-profit move, and you know it.

Stop being so hypocritical - or, should I say, hippocritical, and stop ignoring your own principles when it suits your "EVIL AMERICA-HATING LIBERALS" narrative.

But that's just the commie's two cents.


Hippo? Hippo ain't been seen in these parts for ages, no sir. Just founded the thread, then disappeared for good. We sent out search parties, but all they could find was an American flag lapel, a tear-stained copy of Atlas Shrugged, and a pair of boxer briefs with a bald eagle silk screened across the crotch. However, they say on some nights, when the moon is full and the wind blows in from the west, you can hear the faint strains of "God Bless America" sung in a Finnish accent.

Oh, no, he did make three other posts on the first page.


Then he disappeared to chat on other threads because why bother sticking around to respond to people who are pointing out that his OP is misleading and inconsistent with his past positions when he can just go somewhere else.
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Postby Yumyumsuppertime » Sun Sep 01, 2013 9:45 pm

Dakini wrote:
Yumyumsuppertime wrote:
Hippo? Hippo ain't been seen in these parts for ages, no sir. Just founded the thread, then disappeared for good. We sent out search parties, but all they could find was an American flag lapel, a tear-stained copy of Atlas Shrugged, and a pair of boxer briefs with a bald eagle silk screened across the crotch. However, they say on some nights, when the moon is full and the wind blows in from the west, you can hear the faint strains of "God Bless America" sung in a Finnish accent.

Oh, no, he did make three other posts on the first page.


Then he disappeared.


I seen 'em, but I suspect they're echoes of a man who no longer exists.

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Postby The Grey Wolf » Sun Sep 01, 2013 10:10 pm

The Tiger Kingdom wrote:
The Grey Wolf wrote:
^ Dang, we agree again.

All right, same follow-up then:

The Tiger Kingdom wrote:But you are aware of the historically explicit use of that sort of "blackface" imagery (which is essentially charcoal-colored, as you pointed out) to portray people of African descent, right? That's not new to you?


Yeah, but that wasn't blackface, and any blacks who get offended should really learn to get rid of that self entitlement issue they have.

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Postby Cu Math » Sun Sep 01, 2013 10:17 pm

The Grey Wolf wrote:
The Tiger Kingdom wrote:All right, same follow-up then:



Yeah, but that wasn't blackface, and any blacks/Jews/japanese who get offended by the historical disenfranchisement and racist ad/final solution/internment camps should really learn to get rid of that self entitlement issue they have.

Fixed.
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Postby The Grey Wolf » Sun Sep 01, 2013 10:19 pm

Cu Math wrote:
The Grey Wolf wrote:
Yeah, but that wasn't blackface, and any blacks/Jews/japanese who get offended by the historical disenfranchisement and racist ad/final solution/internment camps should really learn to get rid of that self entitlement issue they have.

Fixed.


This has nothing to do with concentration camps. It has to do with (white) liberals getting offended for black people over something nobody even cares about.

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Postby Yumyumsuppertime » Sun Sep 01, 2013 10:20 pm

The Grey Wolf wrote:
Cu Math wrote:Fixed.


This has nothing to do with concentration camps. It has to do with (white) liberals getting offended for black people over something nobody even cares about.


Are you certain that it was only white liberals getting offended?

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Postby Warda » Sun Sep 01, 2013 10:20 pm

Blakk Metal wrote:Black face was a thing in Siam? :blink:

why are we calling body paint black face
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Postby Christmahanikwanzikah » Sun Sep 01, 2013 10:22 pm

Yumyumsuppertime wrote:
The Grey Wolf wrote:
This has nothing to do with concentration camps. It has to do with (white) liberals getting offended for black people over something nobody even cares about.


Are you certain that it was only white liberals getting offended?


I'm a white conservative, and though I'm not offended, I can see clearly why this is offensive.

My name is Christmahanikwanzikah, and I approve this Anecdote.

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Postby Cu Math » Sun Sep 01, 2013 10:24 pm

The Grey Wolf wrote:
Cu Math wrote:Fixed.


This has nothing to do with concentration camps. It has to do with (white) liberals getting offended for black people over something nobody even cares about.

I'm an Arab liberal, and I'm offended. Frankly, If I started advertising used cars in an SS uniform or dressed like Mickey Rooney in Breakfast at Tiffany's to sell insurance, they'd run me out on a rail.
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Postby Christmahanikwanzikah » Sun Sep 01, 2013 10:26 pm

Warda wrote:
Blakk Metal wrote:Black face was a thing in Siam? :blink:

why are we calling body paint black face


Because it was used to cover the face and body in a color mimicking that of the donut they were selling.

The genius idea of, "'What're we going to do to sell this new donut?' 'I know, let's use a black actor!'" itself would be bad enough.

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Postby Warda » Sun Sep 01, 2013 10:28 pm

Christmahanikwanzikah wrote:
Warda wrote:why are we calling body paint black face


Because it was used to cover the face and body in a color mimicking that of the donut they were selling.

The genius idea of, "'What're we going to do to sell this new donut?' 'I know, let's use a black actor!'" itself would be bad enough.

black·face


/ˈblakˌfās/


noun

noun: black-face



1.



the makeup used by a nonblack performer playing a black role. The role played is typically comedic or musical and usually is considered offensive.


"he appeared in blackface"




used to imply patronization of blacks by whites or by institutions perceived to be insincerely or ineffectively nonracist.

I guess donuts are black people now.
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Postby Uelvan » Sun Sep 01, 2013 10:28 pm

I think the point of calling something blackface isn't exactly because someone is painted black. It's because they're painted black and act in a degrading manner directed at the black community... this is clearly just an art design, people are just looking for reasons to be offended here.

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Postby The Black Forrest » Sun Sep 01, 2013 10:32 pm

Uelvan wrote:I think the point of calling something blackface isn't exactly because someone is painted black. It's because they're painted black and act in a degrading manner directed at the black community... this is clearly just an art design, people are just looking for reasons to be offended here.


did you read the article?
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Postby Regnum Dominae » Sun Sep 01, 2013 10:32 pm

Yumyumsuppertime wrote:
Regnum Dominae wrote:Hippo,

You have said in the past that the sole responsibility of a business is to generate profit:



And that's exactly what this business was doing. Consumers complained, and the company responded by doing what the consumers asked of them. If they had ignored the consumers, their bottom line would have suffered, and the company would have failed to generate maximum profit for its shareholders. To ignore the demands of these consumers would have been a blatantly anti-profit move, and you know it.

Stop being so hypocritical - or, should I say, hippocritical, and stop ignoring your own principles when it suits your "EVIL AMERICA-HATING LIBERALS" narrative.

But that's just the commie's two cents.


Hippo? Hippo ain't been seen in these parts for ages, no sir. Just founded the thread, then disappeared for good. We sent out search parties, but all they could find was an American flag lapel, a tear-stained copy of Atlas Shrugged, and a pair of boxer briefs with a bald eagle silk screened across the crotch. However, they say on some nights, when the moon is full and the wind blows in from the west, you can hear the faint strains of "God Bless America" sung in a Finnish accent.

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Postby Uelvan » Sun Sep 01, 2013 10:34 pm

The Black Forrest wrote:
Uelvan wrote:I think the point of calling something blackface isn't exactly because someone is painted black. It's because they're painted black and act in a degrading manner directed at the black community... this is clearly just an art design, people are just looking for reasons to be offended here.


did you read the article?


I did.

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Postby Christmahanikwanzikah » Sun Sep 01, 2013 10:35 pm

Warda wrote:
Christmahanikwanzikah wrote:
Because it was used to cover the face and body in a color mimicking that of the donut they were selling.

The genius idea of, "'What're we going to do to sell this new donut?' 'I know, let's use a black actor!'" itself would be bad enough.

black·face


/ˈblakˌfās/


noun

noun: black-face



1.



the makeup used by a nonblack performer playing a black role. The role played is typically comedic or musical and usually is considered offensive.


"he appeared in blackface"




used to imply patronization of blacks by whites or by institutions perceived to be insincerely or ineffectively nonracist.

I guess donuts are black people now.


Clearly.

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Postby Wolfmanne » Sun Sep 01, 2013 10:39 pm

Blasveck wrote:I think you, Hippo, need to quit embarrassing yourself with "DA LIBRULS" bullshit.

It's fucking stupid as hell, and you need to get over the fact that other people think differently from you.

Now, whether or not this ad is racist really doesn't matter much to me. I don't care.

What matters is the bullshit that you spew nearly every time you post. Just stop.

Lol.

My view is that it's not racist, but Blasveck, I think you should be a bit more respectful of other people's opinions.
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Postby Galborg » Sun Sep 01, 2013 11:14 pm

Blakk Metal wrote:Black face was a thing in Siam? :blink:


King and I: Tuptin directed a play, Uncle Tom's Cabin.

The actors playing black characters or white actors had makeup and masks.
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Postby Greed and Death » Sun Sep 01, 2013 11:21 pm

Blakk Metal wrote:Black face was a thing in Siam? :blink:

Dunkin donuts is American so if an American does something overseas that is racist it is ok right ?


Also Thailand has a lot of tourist from the west so there will be those who would be offended.

I mean this is how it broke down. Dunkin Thailand made an ad that would offend american racial sensibilities. Americans in Thailand inform Dunkin USA about the ad. Dunkin USA tells Dunkin Thailand to pull the ad. Nothing at all should be controversial or even worthy of discussion.
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Postby Aurora Novus » Mon Sep 02, 2013 12:43 am

I really don't see anything racist about this image at all, "blackface" be damned. That something was used in a particular manner in the past, does not mean all future events similar to it carry the same connotation.
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Postby Electroconvulsive Glee » Mon Sep 02, 2013 1:35 am

Aurora Novus wrote:I really don't see anything racist about this image at all, "blackface" be damned. That something was used in a particular manner in the past, does not mean all future events similar to it carry the same connotation.

Of course not. I mean it is not like communication is based on images, symbols, or sounds that have been used in a particular manner in the past that helps us determine their meaning in the present. Instead, all communication begins tabula rasa.

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Postby West Faristan2 » Mon Sep 02, 2013 1:44 am

Nevanmaa wrote:
Slafstopia wrote:It's not so much that the woman was painted black - it's that her makeup imitated the theatrical traditional 'blackface' makeup from minstrel shows and such, which was used in the old days of segregation by white actors to make black people look goofy and below white people, with extremely dark faces and big, pink lips. This is, unfortunately, still rather common in eastern countries such as Thailand and Japan. Honestly, I'm a huge liberal and I wouldn't have minded it if she was charcoal black all-over. The pink lips, however, made it obviously an imitation of blackface.

I'm glad that the political correctness hasn't infiltrated most Asian nations yet. If you can't handle white people painted black, then boo hoo, learn to deal with it. The world doesn't revolve around a few sensitive people's feelings.

As I said, the combination of a very few basic colors and unique style make it a great ad from a marketing perspective. Had the woman been depicted without pink lips, the ad would've been much less eye-catching. The pink lips create sharp contrast between the dark skin and make it very noticeable.

From a marketing perspective, it's a great ad.


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