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Why are you atheist?

Poll ended at Sun Sep 01, 2013 4:45 pm

Because I don't like any of the established religions
13
3%
Religions are corrupt
35
9%
It's illogical
95
24%
No proof
106
27%
Past events made me dislike them
20
5%
All the above
89
23%
Other (explain)
32
8%
 
Total votes : 390

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Leningrad Union
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Postby Leningrad Union » Thu Sep 05, 2013 4:50 pm

I am a cultural Jew and an ethnic nationalist but far from religious.

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Postby Divair » Thu Sep 05, 2013 4:51 pm

Tyriece wrote:I am not really atheist because i believe that supernatural things are possible, how ever until proven to me i do not believe in them.The universe is big, to big to rule out everything religions say, maybe most things, but not everything.

Do you believe in a god or gods?
If no, you're an atheist.


Everything else is irrelevant.

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Postby Kingdom of Israel » Thu Sep 05, 2013 4:53 pm

Leningrad Union wrote:Thou shalt be punished by our lord and saviour Jesus Christ. Thy is on passage to Satan.

Just kidding. I'm an atheist too. :)

:lol:
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Postby Kingdom of Israel » Thu Sep 05, 2013 4:54 pm

Leningrad Union wrote:I am a cultural Jew and an ethnic nationalist but far from religious.

You're also a Jewish ethnic nationalist? :hug:
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91% Nationalistic
57% Fundementalist
88% Reactionary
92% Authoritarian
31% Capitalistic
99% Militaristic
63% Anthropocentric
Jewish Ethnic Nationalism, Revisionist Zionism, Greater Israel, Capitalist Autarky, Population transfer of the Arabs, Hebrew culture and language, Militarism, Powerful government
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Postby Leningrad Union » Thu Sep 05, 2013 4:58 pm

Kingdom of Israel wrote:
Leningrad Union wrote:I am a cultural Jew and an ethnic nationalist but far from religious.

You're also a Jewish ethnic nationalist? :hug:

I am! :hug:

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Postby Tyriece » Thu Sep 05, 2013 4:58 pm

Divair wrote:
Tyriece wrote:I am not really atheist because i believe that supernatural things are possible, how ever until proven to me i do not believe in them.The universe is big, to big to rule out everything religions say, maybe most things, but not everything.

Do you believe in a god or gods?
If no, you're an atheist.


Everything else is irrelevant.


Not really, because you could say you dont believe in god and you are closed to the ideas of god.
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Postby Divair » Thu Sep 05, 2013 5:00 pm

Tyriece wrote:
Divair wrote:Do you believe in a god or gods?
If no, you're an atheist.


Everything else is irrelevant.


Not really, because you could say you dont believe in god and you are closed to the ideas of god.

Irrelevant. Still atheist.

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Postby Vultasia » Thu Sep 05, 2013 5:04 pm

God is real. His name is Neil deGrasse Tyson. REPENT!
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Postby Neo Rome Republic » Thu Sep 05, 2013 5:04 pm

Tyriece wrote:
Divair wrote:Do you believe in a god or gods?
If no, you're an atheist.


Everything else is irrelevant.


Not really, because you could say you dont believe in god and you are closed to the ideas of god.


:palm: Atheist just means you don't believe in God, THATS IT. Sheesh. Why is this so hard to understand?
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Postby Leningrad Union » Thu Sep 05, 2013 5:05 pm

I'm a Communist.

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Postby Genivaria » Thu Sep 05, 2013 5:06 pm

Tyriece wrote:
Divair wrote:Do you believe in a god or gods?
If no, you're an atheist.


Everything else is irrelevant.


Not really, because you could say you dont believe in god and you are closed to the ideas of god.

Then you'd be an atheist.
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Postby Divair » Thu Sep 05, 2013 5:06 pm

Vultasia wrote:God is real. His name is Neil deGrasse Tyson. REPENT!

aka Elon Musk.

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Tyriece
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Postby Tyriece » Thu Sep 05, 2013 5:08 pm

Divair wrote:
Tyriece wrote:
Not really, because you could say you dont believe in god and you are closed to the ideas of god.

Irrelevant. Still atheist.


Not all atheists have the same view points on everything other then god (i notice in other posts you say irrelevant a lot lol)
But yes in the end its all atheistic.
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Postby Divair » Thu Sep 05, 2013 5:09 pm

Tyriece wrote:
Divair wrote:Irrelevant. Still atheist.


Not all atheists have the same view points (i notice in other posts you say irrelevant a lot lol)
Butt yes in the end its all atheistic.

Duh. Atheists are absurdly varied. The only thing that is constant is that no atheist believes in a god or gods. Beyond that, anything is possible.

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Postby Neo Rome Republic » Thu Sep 05, 2013 5:09 pm

Tyriece wrote:
Divair wrote:Irrelevant. Still atheist.


Not all atheists have the same view points (i notice in other posts you say irrelevant a lot lol)
Butt yes in the end its all atheistic.


:eyebrow: No one was saying that Atheists, have the same POV.
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Postby Vultasia » Thu Sep 05, 2013 5:12 pm

Divair wrote:
Vultasia wrote:God is real. His name is Neil deGrasse Tyson. REPENT!

aka Elon Musk.

Elon Musk's just a disciple.

You want to start a nerd fite? I'll fookin' shank ya! Fite me irl
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Postby With Teeth » Thu Sep 05, 2013 5:12 pm

Anachronous Rex wrote:
Benuty wrote:Considering the corruption of paganistic influences and reverences over the generations I find it best to avoid accidentally giving them utterance.

I assume however you are talking about something completely different however :?.

Well, you know, it's not really possible to intelligently comment upon very vague notions of a deity. Unfortunately most notions of a deity tend to be very vague, the people using the term haven't really decided what they mean by the term, so where do you even begin? What do you say to someone who defines god as "that which is unseen, yet sustains reality?" That sounds like several things that actually exist; of course, they're probably attributing properties to it that are unjustified, but still. And there are people who define god as "love" or "everything" or whatnot, and what can you say about that? I mean, I believe in love... I'm not sure if I "believe in everything;" that seems either unarguably reasonable or else incredibly foolish. But the point is that unless you can pin a theist down as to what exactly their god is supposed to be (and you usually can't), you can't really argue one way or the other. It would be like arguing over the mating habits of unicorns.

But if they are kind enough to specify, "The God of the Old Testament" or somesuch, then I think I can fairly say that such a god does not exist.


I think any god who causes the universe, the first state of the universe, or any state of the universe to exist, does not exist.
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Postby Vareiln » Thu Sep 05, 2013 5:14 pm

Vultasia wrote:God is real. His name is Neil deGrasse Tyson. REPENT!

KNEEL BEFORE NEIL!!!

Nah, everyone knows that there are 11 gods. Just ask a certain occult order with an obsession towards eons and blacklights.

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Postby Divair » Thu Sep 05, 2013 5:15 pm

Vultasia wrote:
Divair wrote:aka Elon Musk.

Elon Musk's just a disciple.

You want to start a nerd fite? I'll fookin' shank ya! Fite me irl

Ok.
*fights irl*

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Postby Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro » Thu Sep 05, 2013 5:17 pm

Leningrad Union wrote:I'm a Communist.

Communism is incompatible with true ethnic nationalism... At least in the long term...
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Postby Vultasia » Thu Sep 05, 2013 5:17 pm

Divair wrote:
Vultasia wrote:Elon Musk's just a disciple.

You want to start a nerd fite? I'll fookin' shank ya! Fite me irl

Ok.
*fights irl*


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Las Palmeras wrote:The Vultasians do it better...

Hathradic States wrote:With one sentence, you have creeped me out more than my ex wife ever did.

Mr Rogers Neighbourhood wrote:I am honestly convinced you're one of the scariest nations on NationStates.

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Postby Anachronous Rex » Thu Sep 05, 2013 5:17 pm

With Teeth wrote:
Anachronous Rex wrote:Well, you know, it's not really possible to intelligently comment upon very vague notions of a deity. Unfortunately most notions of a deity tend to be very vague, the people using the term haven't really decided what they mean by the term, so where do you even begin? What do you say to someone who defines god as "that which is unseen, yet sustains reality?" That sounds like several things that actually exist; of course, they're probably attributing properties to it that are unjustified, but still. And there are people who define god as "love" or "everything" or whatnot, and what can you say about that? I mean, I believe in love... I'm not sure if I "believe in everything;" that seems either unarguably reasonable or else incredibly foolish. But the point is that unless you can pin a theist down as to what exactly their god is supposed to be (and you usually can't), you can't really argue one way or the other. It would be like arguing over the mating habits of unicorns.

But if they are kind enough to specify, "The God of the Old Testament" or somesuch, then I think I can fairly say that such a god does not exist.


I think any god who causes the universe, the first state of the universe, or any state of the universe to exist, does not exist.

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Postby Seitonjin » Thu Sep 05, 2013 5:17 pm

You could say I am an Atheist due to the fact that Buddhism mentions of no supreme being. (Unless you consider devas, boddistvas, brahmana, et all as such)

And I reject and oppose the ideas of such beings controlling our lives and the world.
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Postby Seitonjin » Thu Sep 05, 2013 5:18 pm

Vultasia wrote:
Divair wrote:Ok.
*fights irl*


*Stabs you with an Astrophysics textbook*
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Postby Blasveck » Thu Sep 05, 2013 5:19 pm

Seitonjin wrote:You could say I am an Atheist due to the fact that Buddhism mentions of no supreme being. (Unless you consider devas, boddistvas, brahmana, et all as such)

And I reject and oppose the ideas of such beings controlling our lives and the world.


Depending on the religion though, said being doesn't control the world or anybody's lives.
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