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Postby Galloism » Sat Aug 31, 2013 12:30 pm

Regnum Dominae wrote:
God Kefka wrote:
WOW!

The USA really needs to get on it then.

They need to quickly militarize space and take land ownership of the moon.

Right now the USA has the most capability to enforce its claims in outer space. America would become the world's most powerful space power.

Can't have the Chinese threaten us. They are on track to the moon, we got to step it out.

No. Space exploration should be peaceful. This isn't fucking Star Wars. :palm: :palm:

But what about when the aliens attack? If we don't have space weapons, they can bombard the planet with impunity.

I mean, it'll be like World War 2... in space.
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Postby Nevanmaa » Sat Aug 31, 2013 12:30 pm

Regnum Dominae wrote:Seriously what the fuck? Syria is at this point a giant clusterfuck, our only involvement should be to send humanitarian aid to the civilians caught in the middle.

The conflict needs to end to prevent any needless civilian casualties. The best way to end it is to intervene and establish a democratic pro-Western government.

Regnum Dominae wrote:What has Iran done to deserve being declared war on?

Overthrowing the Shah and generally violating human rights of millions of people.

Yes Im Biop wrote:1: We don't NEED TO. The Ni\z's are floating cities.

Yes we do. Right now the Nimitzes are doing just fine, but they'll be outdated in 10-20 years and we'll have to start replacing them with the Gerald Ford class. The problem is that we're not constructing enough Gerald R. Fords compared to the retirement rate of the old Nimitzes. Thus, the US Navy will have less than 11 aircraft carriers which is the bare minimum set by the DoD.

Yes Im Biop wrote:2: Thus we have B-52's, AC-130's and F-22 ("Upgrading" To the F-35's)

Yes, we'll be using 100-year old bombers in a few decades. Might as well start constructing Spitfires for the USAF. F-22 and F-35 are constant failures; we'll be forced to rely on F-15s and F-16s for a long, long, looong time.
What you don't seem to understand that while F-16s are good right now, they'll be severly outdated within the next decade. That's why we gotta plan ahead.

Yes Im Biop wrote:3: Why would the Finish be involving in Syria? The US Should not we don't need another fucking ground war

Maybe we'd get a sensible government that understands the importance of human rights? And actually you do. America must liberate the people of Syria and Iran.

Yes Im Biop wrote:4:Because it's not our fucking Job. The UN was made for a reason

The UN is useless as long as it is prevented from functioning by dictatorships like Russia and China.
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Postby Slafstopia » Sat Aug 31, 2013 12:30 pm

There's a reason NASA stopped with the Apollo missions, and started with space stations like SkyLab.

It's because they had already done everything worthwhile that was physically possible.

I see no reason to go there except to flip NASA the finger.
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Postby God Kefka » Sat Aug 31, 2013 12:31 pm

Regnum Dominae wrote:
God Kefka wrote:
WOW!

The USA really needs to get on it then.

They need to quickly militarize space and take land ownership of the moon.

Right now the USA has the most capability to enforce its claims in outer space. America would become the world's most powerful space power.

Can't have the Chinese threaten us. They are on track to the moon, we got to step it out.

No. Space exploration should be peaceful. This isn't fucking Star Wars. :palm: :palm:


It will be in the future...

The USA has a huge almost completely unassailable advantage in space weapons right now. It should take advantage of this temporary advantage to establish a space empire before the other countries catch up.

In the future, it's likely that control of minerals and resources in outer space could determine prosperity of nations on Earth.

The USA should play hard ball and start making claims. The moon would be a GREAT place to start.

The Chinese will do it first if the USA doesn't... they are already on track to the moon as the OP has said. USA can knock out this possibility... claim the moon!

Why should the USA share space with others when it can monopolize it as befits a superpower?
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Postby Fartsniffage » Sat Aug 31, 2013 12:31 pm

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Glad to see some more work in space from China. Maybe this'll put a bit of pressure on the US to ramp up their work.


WOW!

The USA really needs to get on it then.

They need to quickly militarize space and take land ownership of the moon.

Right now the USA has the most capability to enforce its claims in outer space. America would become the world's most powerful space power.

Can't have the Chinese threaten us. They are on track to the moon, we got to step it out.


Haven't the militaries of the world done enough damage right here on Earth?

How about we leave space to science for the moment and share data like a civilised race.

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Postby Aequalitia » Sat Aug 31, 2013 12:31 pm

Belligerent Alcoholics wrote:Anyway, back to the actual topic... If someone else gets to the moon before we go back, well, that's our own fucking fault, now isn't it?

Its the fault of the politicians who got no good heart for spaceflight. There just cut and cut on NASA. If there was already 1% of the DoD funds would be replaced to NASA, you would see much more cool things. You would see a future with the US as a big one in spaceflight.
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Postby Nevanmaa » Sat Aug 31, 2013 12:31 pm

Bojikami wrote:What about when America helped spread "freedom and democracy" to Chile in 1973?

Oh yes, we helped to overthrow the Soviet puppet who had crushed civil rights in Chile with unconstitutional reforms and then proceeded to help a patriotic Chilean to punish the traitorous communists for their crimes against Chile. What about it?
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Postby Belligerent Alcoholics » Sat Aug 31, 2013 12:32 pm

Galloism wrote:But what about when the aliens attack? If we don't have space weapons, they can bombard the planet with impunity.
I mean, it'll be like World War 2... in space.

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Postby God Kefka » Sat Aug 31, 2013 12:32 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:
God Kefka wrote:
WOW!

The USA really needs to get on it then.

They need to quickly militarize space and take land ownership of the moon.

Right now the USA has the most capability to enforce its claims in outer space. America would become the world's most powerful space power.

Can't have the Chinese threaten us. They are on track to the moon, we got to step it out.


Haven't the militaries of the world done enough damage right here on Earth?

How about we leave space to science for the moment and share data like a civilised race.


Why is it in the USA's interest to share what it can completely own?
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Postby Slafstopia » Sat Aug 31, 2013 12:32 pm

God Kefka wrote:
Regnum Dominae wrote:No. Space exploration should be peaceful. This isn't fucking Star Wars. :palm: :palm:


It will be in the future...

The USA has a huge almost completely unassailable advantage in space weapons right now. It should take advantage of this temporary advantage to establish a space empire before the other countries catch up.

In the future, it's likely that control of minerals and resources in outer space could determine prosperity of nations on Earth.

The USA should play hard ball and start making claims. The moon would be a GREAT place to start.

The Chinese will do it first if the USA doesn't... they are already on track to the moon as the OP has said. USA can knock out this possibility... claim the moon!

Why should the USA share space with others when it can monopolize it as befits a superpower?


...The fact that you think it's likely to be able to control minerals and resources from OUTER FUCKING SPACE in the future just shows that your arguments are horrible and you know little-to-nothing about astronomy.
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Postby Regnum Dominae » Sat Aug 31, 2013 12:32 pm

Nevanmaa wrote:
Regnum Dominae wrote:Seriously what the fuck? Syria is at this point a giant clusterfuck, our only involvement should be to send humanitarian aid to the civilians caught in the middle.

The conflict needs to end to prevent any needless civilian casualties. The best way to end it is to intervene and establish a democratic pro-Western government.

Regnum Dominae wrote:What has Iran done to deserve being declared war on?

Overthrowing the Shah and generally violating human rights of millions of people.

Yes Im Biop wrote:1: We don't NEED TO. The Ni\z's are floating cities.

Yes we do. Right now the Nimitzes are doing just fine, but they'll be outdated in 10-20 years and we'll have to start replacing them with the Gerald Ford class. The problem is that we're not constructing enough Gerald R. Fords compared to the retirement rate of the old Nimitzes. Thus, the US Navy will have less than 11 aircraft carriers which is the bare minimum set by the DoD.

Yes Im Biop wrote:2: Thus we have B-52's, AC-130's and F-22 ("Upgrading" To the F-35's)

Yes, we'll be using 100-year old bombers in a few decades. Might as well start constructing Spitfires for the USAF. F-22 and F-35 are constant failures; we'll be forced to rely on F-15s and F-16s for a long, long, looong time.
What you don't seem to understand that while F-16s are good right now, they'll be severly outdated within the next decade. That's why we gotta plan ahead.

Yes Im Biop wrote:3: Why would the Finish be involving in Syria? The US Should not we don't need another fucking ground war

Maybe we'd get a sensible government that understands the importance of human rights? And actually you do. America must liberate the people of Syria and Iran.

You're not American. Stop saying "we".
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Postby Fartsniffage » Sat Aug 31, 2013 12:33 pm

Galloism wrote:
Regnum Dominae wrote:No. Space exploration should be peaceful. This isn't fucking Star Wars. :palm: :palm:

But what about when the aliens attack? If we don't have space weapons, they can bombard the planet with impunity.

I mean, it'll be like World War 2... in space.


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Postby God Kefka » Sat Aug 31, 2013 12:33 pm

Galloism wrote:
Regnum Dominae wrote:No. Space exploration should be peaceful. This isn't fucking Star Wars. :palm: :palm:

But what about when the aliens attack? If we don't have space weapons, they can bombard the planet with impunity.

I mean, it'll be like World War 2... in space.


Exactly... we need to start militarizing space to try and stop that stuff too...

If the USA takes leadership of the space world, it's for the betterment of everyone.
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Postby Galloism » Sat Aug 31, 2013 12:33 pm

Belligerent Alcoholics wrote:
Galloism wrote:But what about when the aliens attack? If we don't have space weapons, they can bombard the planet with impunity.
I mean, it'll be like World War 2... in space.

Fun in fiction... Not so much in nonfiction.

I don't remember who said it, but...

"There are only two possibilities: we are either alone in the universe, or not. Both possibilities are terrifying."
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Postby Horizont » Sat Aug 31, 2013 12:34 pm

Nevanmaa wrote:
Bojikami wrote:What about when America helped spread "freedom and democracy" to Chile in 1973?

Oh yes, we helped to overthrow the Soviet puppet who had crushed civil rights in Chile with unconstitutional reforms and then proceeded to help a patriotic Chilean to punish the traitorous communists for their crimes against Chile. What about it?


Stop saying "we". I can't actually quite comprehend how people with such opinions can actually exist...

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Postby Fartsniffage » Sat Aug 31, 2013 12:34 pm

God Kefka wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:
Haven't the militaries of the world done enough damage right here on Earth?

How about we leave space to science for the moment and share data like a civilised race.


Why is it in the USA's interest to share what it can completely own?


Such hubris to imagine an American Empire would fare any better than any other empire in history.

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Postby Bojikami » Sat Aug 31, 2013 12:34 pm

Nevanmaa wrote:
Bojikami wrote:What about when America helped spread "freedom and democracy" to Chile in 1973?

Oh yes, we helped to overthrow the Soviet puppet who had crushed civil rights in Chile with unconstitutional reforms and then proceeded to help a patriotic Chilean to punish the traitorous communists for their crimes against Chile. What about it?

No, what the AMERICANS did was overthrow a democratically elected Marxist and helped install a dictator. But as long as he wasn't a communist, amirite?
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Postby Galloism » Sat Aug 31, 2013 12:35 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:
God Kefka wrote:
Why is it in the USA's interest to share what it can completely own?


Such hubris to imagine an American Empire would fare any better than any other empire in history.

I mean, that's true.

At best, it can only last a thousand years or so.
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Postby Slafstopia » Sat Aug 31, 2013 12:35 pm

God Kefka wrote:
Galloism wrote:But what about when the aliens attack? If we don't have space weapons, they can bombard the planet with impunity.

I mean, it'll be like World War 2... in space.


Exactly... we need to start militarizing space to try and stop that stuff too...

If the USA takes leadership of the space world, it's for the betterment of everyone.


Orbital missiles would be largely impractical. If you tried to aim for, let's say, Moscow using an orbital missile, you'd probably miss by a massive margin, due to the rotation of the Earth and the time it takes to burn retrograde sufficiently. Lrn2orbit.
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Postby God Kefka » Sat Aug 31, 2013 12:35 pm

Slafstopia wrote:
God Kefka wrote:
It will be in the future...

The USA has a huge almost completely unassailable advantage in space weapons right now. It should take advantage of this temporary advantage to establish a space empire before the other countries catch up.

In the future, it's likely that control of minerals and resources in outer space could determine prosperity of nations on Earth.

The USA should play hard ball and start making claims. The moon would be a GREAT place to start.

The Chinese will do it first if the USA doesn't... they are already on track to the moon as the OP has said. USA can knock out this possibility... claim the moon!

Why should the USA share space with others when it can monopolize it as befits a superpower?


...The fact that you think it's likely to be able to control minerals and resources from OUTER FUCKING SPACE in the future just shows that your arguments are horrible and you know little-to-nothing about astronomy.


Of course you can harvest resources from other planets as well as Earth.

Plus, even if we have not yet discovered anything valuable for NOW it doesn't mean we won't in the future? In the future we may (very likely) find some kind of extremely precious resource in outer space.

At that point its in the USA's interest to have the weapons to forcefully claim them... the other powers (China, Russia etc) won't play nice so why should we?

Plus colonizing the moon gives us more land. Also, who knows what we may find in the future under the surface of the moon?
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Postby Qahadim » Sat Aug 31, 2013 12:36 pm

Regnum Dominae wrote:
God Kefka wrote:
WOW!

The USA really needs to get on it then.

They need to quickly militarize space and take land ownership of the moon.

Right now the USA has the most capability to enforce its claims in outer space. America would become the world's most powerful space power.

Can't have the Chinese threaten us. They are on track to the moon, we got to step it out.

No. Space exploration should be peaceful. This isn't fucking Star Wars. :palm: :palm:

It shouldn't be entirely peaceful. A star wars scenario is bound to happen in space. War always had, and will be, an unavoidable human occurrence. There isn't any shame in taking some precautionary measures to be prepared for interstellar conflict. Should it be our main focus? No. But it should be given some focus nonetheless.

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Postby Fartsniffage » Sat Aug 31, 2013 12:36 pm

Galloism wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:
Such hubris to imagine an American Empire would fare any better than any other empire in history.

I mean, that's true.

At best, it can only last a thousand years or so.


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Postby New Chalcedon » Sat Aug 31, 2013 12:37 pm

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Ifreann wrote:Has China been to the Moon before?

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Postby Aequalitia » Sat Aug 31, 2013 12:37 pm

Slafstopia wrote:
God Kefka wrote:
Exactly... we need to start militarizing space to try and stop that stuff too...

If the USA takes leadership of the space world, it's for the betterment of everyone.


Orbital missiles would be largely impractical. If you tried to aim for, let's say, Moscow using an orbital missile, you'd probably miss by a massive margin, due to the rotation of the Earth and the time it takes to burn retrograde sufficiently. Lrn2orbit.

Doh, Orbital missiles prototypes existed already, by the Soviet side :p
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Postby Belligerent Alcoholics » Sat Aug 31, 2013 12:37 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:
Galloism wrote:I mean, that's true.
At best, it can only last a thousand years or so.

US first reich?

Please don't give them any ideas... :unsure:
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