10 year old boy refuses to do the pledge of alleigence.

[Nadkor]

Life is not fair. he's 10. not a adult, kids follow the rules. without a note excusing the little malcontent,he either leaves the class while the pledge is being said. period.

I don't consern myself with a 10 year olds "feelings."

Not a fan of the constitution, then?

[Alchia]

I never was so big into the pledge as I am the national anthem. When I hear the national anthem playing, I stand to attention, look at the flag, and silently sing the song to myself.

I the the pledge itself is old and out-dated. Needs to be updated to read something like...

"I pledge best wishes to the people of the world, of which we are all one species in which we are all the same and only think there are differences, when whatever higher power - if any - sees us for what we are - the same."

But that's just me. lol

[Redwulf]

Life is not fair. he's 10. not a adult, kids follow the rules. without a note excusing the little malcontent,he either leaves the class while the pledge is being said. period.

I don't consern myself with a 10 year olds "feelings."

Not a fan of the constitution, then?

Who needs the constitution? We gots us a pledge!

[Barringtonia]

I'm not saying that the kid doesn't believe in his argument or that he doesn't at least mostly understand the situation. I am saying, though, that 10-year-old children rarely form independent thoughts about complicated political and moral issues without some serious guidance.

Rubbish, 10-year olds can be hugely informed, it's just that they tend to focus on single issues, whether that's dinosaurs, politics or whatever.

[Seculartopia]

I never was so big into the pledge as I am the national anthem. When I hear the national anthem playing, I stand to attention, look at the flag, and silently sing the song to myself.

I the the pledge itself is old and out-dated. Needs to be updated to read something like...

"I pledge best wishes to the people of the world, of which we are all one species in which we are all the same and only think there are differences, when whatever higher power - if any - sees us for what we are - the same."

But that's just me. lol

It actually was only mandated in the mid-1900's.

[Enadail]

He is ten years old,he does not have a choice,he is under the age of majority,he either does the pledge OR wait outside the class until it is done, you don't pander to bloody 10 year old,you tell them what to do,if the parent gives the teacher a note saying he does not want his/her child doing the pledge,fine.

Then the 10 year old sits in the class with his gob shut while the pledge is done,simple and easy nice no fuss,BB solvled problems.heheh

My 3 cents..

Thats not fair* that he should have to remove himself from the class. Its a persons right not to say it, i believe some law stated so.

Plus, see it in this light: Hes removed from class, and feels like hes a different person from the norm, or majority of the class.

Life is not fair. he's 10. not a adult, kids follow the rules. without a note excusing the little malcontent,he either leaves the class while the pledge is being said. period.

I don't consern myself with a 10 year olds "feelings."



* A BB rule of life.

Life is unfair, Life if pain,anyone who says different is trying to sell something,and Das BB AINT BUYING!

Except you neglect: there's no laws that force him to say it. Why should he separate himself? Because the teacher doesn't like it? And there are precedent that the school can't force anyone to say it. Basically, there's no obligation to say it besides social obligation circa the Cold War. There's also a social obligation to have a bachelor's party before a wedding. Should we ostracize people who choose not to?

I stopped saying the "in God we trust" part of the pledge in 5th grade because that's when I learned my religion doesn't have a God. I stopped saying the pledge in 7th grade altogether because I realized how silly it was. No one made a fuss, so I wasn't in the news. I'm sorry this kid isn't in the same situation.

[Nadkor]

I never was so big into the pledge as I am the national anthem. When I hear the national anthem playing, I stand to attention, look at the flag, and silently sing the song to myself.

I the the pledge itself is old and out-dated. Needs to be updated to read something like...

"I pledge best wishes to the people of the world, of which we are all one species in which we are all the same and only think there are differences, when whatever higher power - if any - sees us for what we are - the same."

But that's just me. lol

It actually was only mandated in the mid-1900's.

And George W Bush was only born in the mid-1900s, and he's pretty done and dusted.

[Peterbolton]

A cynic at 10 years old eh?
I wish I was like that at his age

[Seculartopia]

I never was so big into the pledge as I am the national anthem. When I hear the national anthem playing, I stand to attention, look at the flag, and silently sing the song to myself.

I the the pledge itself is old and out-dated. Needs to be updated to read something like...

"I pledge best wishes to the people of the world, of which we are all one species in which we are all the same and only think there are differences, when whatever higher power - if any - sees us for what we are - the same."

But that's just me. lol

It actually was only mandated in the mid-1900's.

And George W Bush was only born in the mid-1900s, and he's pretty done and dusted.

True.

[Nateistan]

Aren't those rules similarly the same for everyone? The Jews and Christians didn't make them up.

Didn't you know? Prior to Judaism, nobody thought that murder was wrong. The Jews invented that idea. Because, as we all know, it is perfectly easy for a stable society to form which allows murder.

Also Buddhism supported peace. Also, Jews kill in the Bible, and thought that God favored their race. And there were countries in Mesopotamia thinking murder was bad in the 2000's B.C.

actually I believe Jesus was the only person to ever think killing was wrong before his time. Also stealing. Which is probably why the Romans and Egyptians had such shitty civilizations.Cuz they could never figure out that killing was bad without Jesus there to help 'em.

I'm kidding

[Shazbotdom]

He is ten years old,he does not have a choice,he is under the age of majority,he either does the pledge OR wait outside the class until it is done, you don't pander to bloody 10 year old,you tell them what to do,if the parent gives the teacher a note saying he does not want his/her child doing the pledge,fine.

Then the 10 year old sits in the class with his gob shut while the pledge is done,simple and easy nice no fuss,BB solvled problems.heheh

My 3 cents..

Thats not fair* that he should have to remove himself from the class. Its a persons right not to say it, i believe some law stated so.

Plus, see it in this light: Hes removed from class, and feels like hes a different person from the norm, or majority of the class.

Life is not fair. he's 10. not a adult, kids follow the rules. without a note excusing the little malcontent,he either leaves the class while the pledge is being said. period.

I don't consern myself with a 10 year olds "feelings."



* A BB rule of life.

Life is unfair, Life if pain,anyone who says different is trying to sell something,and Das BB AINT BUYING!

So because YOU don't like it, he should be punished? Sorry but that just sounds extremely non-American to me.

[Nadkor]

Aren't those rules similarly the same for everyone? The Jews and Christians didn't make them up.

Didn't you know? Prior to Judaism, nobody thought that murder was wrong. The Jews invented that idea. Because, as we all know, it is perfectly easy for a stable society to form which allows murder.

Also Buddhism supported peace. Also, Jews kill in the Bible, and thought that God favored their race. And there were countries in Mesopotamia thinking murder was bad in the 2000's B.C.

actually I believe Jesus was the only person to ever think killing was wrong before his time. Also stealing. Which is probably why the Romans and Egyptians had such shitty civilizations.Cuz they could never figure out that killing was bad without Jesus there to help 'em.

I'm kidding

It's true. Why do you think they killed Caesar? Not because they were worried about the return of a monarchy, but because they didn't know any better. And look where that got them. A monarchy in all but name. The lesson? Killing is bad, and we have Jesus to thank for that knowledge.

[Tkdkidsx2]

THis... is.. bull crap.... I haven't said the pledge in 3 years! (Please note: I am 13 a the writing of this post)

[Vitius]

I myself do not believe in gay or lesbian marriages, for which I will not explain. But I never really realized, that he's actually right. Liberty and Justice for ALL. Good for him, he realized a fatal flaw in our country. Whether that flaw should be fixed or not, I don't know. But people like that go on to become great citizens, who contribute to their country by giving it criticism.

[Tekania]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LT9I-36aim8

He refuses to do the pledge until everyone has freedom.


Sorry if it's already posted.

Kind of shocked that a boy his age was so open about these kind of things.

Good for him,smart boy... Now, where are the neo-cons and r-r's out to crucify him... And his dad looks proud of his smart son too BTW...

[Arumdaum]

Aren't those rules similarly the same for everyone? The Jews and Christians didn't make them up.

Didn't you know? Prior to Judaism, nobody thought that murder was wrong. The Jews invented that idea. Because, as we all know, it is perfectly easy for a stable society to form which allows murder.

Also Buddhism supported peace. Also, Jews kill in the Bible, and thought that God favored their race. And there were countries in Mesopotamia thinking murder was bad in the 2000's B.C.

actually I believe Jesus was the only person to ever think killing was wrong before his time. Also stealing. Which is probably why the Romans and Egyptians had such shitty civilizations.Cuz they could never figure out that killing was bad without Jesus there to help 'em.

I'm kidding

It's true. Why do you think they killed Caesar? Not because they were worried about the return of a monarchy, but because they didn't know any better. And look where that got them. A monarchy in all but name. The lesson? Killing is bad, and we have Jesus to thank for that knowledge.

What about the Buddha? He lived way before Jesus.

[Alchia]

Nadkor, he was kidding. The "show spoiler" button said so.

Killing has always been seen as wrong. Most of the laws in religions are just common sense. They exist in religion though because if its wrote down then it becomes law, not common sense. AND laws can have consequences. AND religions like having consequences, that causes fear and fearful people join out of fear.

Religion is and always has been a system hoping to convert as many as possible in as little time as possible, and will always be so.

We have non-religious laws so that the government can protect people from the breaking of common sense (Summed up as "Treat others as you wish to be treated" fairly well in EVERY religion) by enacting a revenge that can not be avenged.

One day, laws will not be written. They will once again be common sense. Hopefully.

[Nadkor]

Aren't those rules similarly the same for everyone? The Jews and Christians didn't make them up.

Didn't you know? Prior to Judaism, nobody thought that murder was wrong. The Jews invented that idea. Because, as we all know, it is perfectly easy for a stable society to form which allows murder.

Also Buddhism supported peace. Also, Jews kill in the Bible, and thought that God favored their race. And there were countries in Mesopotamia thinking murder was bad in the 2000's B.C.

actually I believe Jesus was the only person to ever think killing was wrong before his time. Also stealing. Which is probably why the Romans and Egyptians had such shitty civilizations.Cuz they could never figure out that killing was bad without Jesus there to help 'em.

I'm kidding

It's true. Why do you think they killed Caesar? Not because they were worried about the return of a monarchy, but because they didn't know any better. And look where that got them. A monarchy in all but name. The lesson? Killing is bad, and we have Jesus to thank for that knowledge.

What about the Buddha? He lived way before Jesus.

He was cool with killing because he always came back. He just assumed that's what happened with everyone else. Jesus showed us the way.

Remember, people, killing is wrong. Because Jesus said so. You wouldn't kill the baby Jesus, would you? Thought not. Don't Kill.

[Nateistan]

Aren't those rules similarly the same for everyone? The Jews and Christians didn't make them up.

Didn't you know? Prior to Judaism, nobody thought that murder was wrong. The Jews invented that idea. Because, as we all know, it is perfectly easy for a stable society to form which allows murder.

Also Buddhism supported peace. Also, Jews kill in the Bible, and thought that God favored their race. And there were countries in Mesopotamia thinking murder was bad in the 2000's B.C.

actually I believe Jesus was the only person to ever think killing was wrong before his time. Also stealing. Which is probably why the Romans and Egyptians had such shitty civilizations.Cuz they could never figure out that killing was bad without Jesus there to help 'em.

I'm kidding

It's true. Why do you think they killed Caesar? Not because they were worried about the return of a monarchy, but because they didn't know any better. And look where that got them. A monarchy in all but name. The lesson? Killing is bad, and we have Jesus to thank for that knowledge.

What about the Buddha? He lived way before Jesus.

sorry but no dice, Jesus invented morality in his basement in about 10 minutes, while playing assassins creed 2.

[Nadkor]

I myself do not believe in gay or lesbian marriages, for which I will not explain. But I never really realized, that he's actually right. Liberty and Justice for ALL. Good for him, he realized a fatal flaw in our country. Whether that flaw should be fixed or not, I don't know. But people like that go on to become great citizens, who contribute to their country by giving it criticism.

Thanks for letting us know. You couldn't have resisted letting your bigotry showing, though, could you? It mars an otherwise vaguely interesting post.

[The Sentenial Empire]

He's a smart kid but I think he is only seeing his parent's side of it...I was raised simmilarly by my conservative parents and had simmilar views untill I actually realized certain things.

[Jordtopia]

Poor misguided boy.

[Nadkor]

He's a smart kid but I think he is only seeing his parent's side of it...I was raised simmilarly by my conservative parents and had simmilar views untill I actually realized certain things.

Your conservative parents were against saying the Pledge of Allegiance?

[Tekania]

Hey, at least we don't sing "God Save the President."

Oh yes.... That's a great idea... The Republicans should love that....

"God Save the President!"



If you do not sing it, you let the terrorists win!

[Odhinnia]

I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America, and To the Republic for Which it stands, One nation under The Allfather Odin in Valhalla, Once Divided but now whole again.. despite bickering the bickering of republicans and democrats, with liberty and justice for all who can afford attorneys (Here's looking at you OJ Simpson).