10 year old boy refuses to do the pledge of alleigence.

[UnhealthyTruthseeker]

im not saying it was, but many of our first laws are similar to those in Jewish and Christian Holy books

First laws of the US government or first laws of the early colonies?

[Redwulf]

one nation under god - America was founded on christian values

You'd better tell Thomas Jefferson, then; he seems to think it wasn't.

Read the Constitution, which sets up a secular government.

The Declaration of Independence refers to god and creator several times, but remember it wasn't an official government formation document, it was a letter to the king of England (Which was Anglican) about the colony's wishes.

im not saying it was, but many of our first laws are similar to those in Jewish and Christian Holy books

Aside from the laws against theft and murder (which are found in non Judeo-Christian societies as well) please do tell.

[True Imperial Domain]

Something tells me that this kid is doing it for press and money. I know that people cant possibly believe that this stunt is going to affect anybody. I would respect this shit if it was part of a real movement for change and not another American ploy for their 15 mins of fame.

I feel the same.

Something tells me that the boy is simply being rebellious for the sake of attention.

Or hes just speaking his mind.

Then speak your mind in a way that shows you are not about attention but about action.

[Arumdaum]

one nation under god - America was founded on christian values

You'd better tell Thomas Jefferson, then; he seems to think it wasn't.

Read the Constitution, which sets up a secular government.

The Declaration of Independence refers to god and creator several times, but remember it wasn't an official government formation document, it was a letter to the king of England (Which was Anglican) about the colony's wishes.

im not saying it was, but many of our first laws are similar to those in Jewish and Christian Holy books

Aren't those rules similarly the same for everyone? The Jews and Christians didn't make them up.

[Nadkor]

one nation under god - America was founded on christian values

You'd better tell Thomas Jefferson, then; he seems to think it wasn't.

Read the Constitution, which sets up a secular government.

The Declaration of Independence refers to god and creator several times, but remember it wasn't an official government formation document, it was a letter to the king of England (Which was Anglican) about the colony's wishes.

im not saying it was, but many of our first laws are similar to those in Jewish and Christian Holy books

Well, no, you are saying it was. Quite specifically. Where you said "America was founded on christian values". Right there. That's where you said it was.

[Seculartopia]

I think the kid is entirely capable of coming up with this without being pressured by parents or a group - I strongly suspect he's on forums and has made as sensible a judgment on the issue as anyone else with basic reading comprehension, unfettered by ideological maxims.

Good on the kid, it's honestly weirdly nationalistic how the US continues to indoctrinate children to the country.

Im personally sick of the attacks based on "patriotism" and not being a "true American".

[Trippoli]

Something tells me that this kid is doing it for press and money. I know that people cant possibly believe that this stunt is going to affect anybody. I would respect this shit if it was part of a real movement for change and not another American ploy for their 15 mins of fame.

I feel the same.

Something tells me that the boy is simply being rebellious for the sake of attention.

Or hes just speaking his mind.

Then speak your mind in a way that shows you are not about attention but about action.

Jesus dude he is only fucking 10..

[Rolling squid]

It feels like some primitive superstitious ritual anyway.

How?

It seems to like almost everything like it, have a theocratic resilience behind it.

I dont see the resmblance.

I pledge alegence to the flag of the united states of america - Who here thats american hates america?
and to the republic for which it stands - goes with previous
one nation under god - America was founded on christian values
Indivisible - America should never divide itself
With liberty and justce for all - apperently no one thinks that we should have rights and freedoms, if you dont agree with it

It's not the content, but the concept. We effectively force our kids to swear allegiance to their country, each and every day. Not to mention that the pledge is in and of itself is a lie. "for all" hardly applies to "liberty and justice" in America. Plus the 'under god' is unconstitutional.

[Seculartopia]

Something tells me that this kid is doing it for press and money. I know that people cant possibly believe that this stunt is going to affect anybody. I would respect this shit if it was part of a real movement for change and not another American ploy for their 15 mins of fame.

I feel the same.

Something tells me that the boy is simply being rebellious for the sake of attention.

Or hes just speaking his mind.

Then speak your mind in a way that shows you are not about attention but about action.

Jesus dude he is only fucking 10..

So?

[Wutaco]

I say the pledge noticablly loud, but then completely leave out "Under God", or sometimes saying "Under Allah". Teachers are getting pissed off, but I know my rights.

[Shazbotdom]

From what I have noticed, it's mostly the Conservative Teachers who make a big deal about people not saying the Pledge. Back when I was in High School I didn't say it because I didn't see the point and the only year that anyone had a problem with it was my Jr Year. She actually gave me a Deans Referral and attempted to get me Expelled from school but my Dean, and the Principle, saw it my way.

[UnhealthyTruthseeker]

Aren't those rules similarly the same for everyone? The Jews and Christians didn't make them up.

Didn't you know? Prior to Judaism, nobody thought that murder was wrong. The Jews invented that idea. Because, as we all know, it is perfectly easy for a stable society to form which allows murder.

[Seculartopia]

It feels like some primitive superstitious ritual anyway.

How?

It seems to like almost everything like it, have a theocratic resilience behind it.

I dont see the resmblance.

I pledge alegence to the flag of the united states of america - Who here thats american hates america?
and to the republic for which it stands - goes with previous
one nation under god - America was founded on christian values
Indivisible - America should never divide itself
With liberty and justce for all - apperently no one thinks that we should have rights and freedoms, if you dont agree with it

It's not the content, but the concept. We effectively force our kids to swear allegiance to their country, each and every day. Not to mention that the pledge is in and of itself is a lie. "for all" hardly applies to "liberty and justice" in America.

Such was Cold War "patriotic" frevor.

[Trippoli]

Something tells me that this kid is doing it for press and money. I know that people cant possibly believe that this stunt is going to affect anybody. I would respect this shit if it was part of a real movement for change and not another American ploy for their 15 mins of fame.

I feel the same.

Something tells me that the boy is simply being rebellious for the sake of attention.

Or hes just speaking his mind.

Then speak your mind in a way that shows you are not about attention but about action.

Jesus dude he is only fucking 10..

So?

So, what do you expect him to do?

Organize a mass protest outside the capitol building?

[Tunizcha]

one nation under god - America was founded on christian values

You'd better tell Thomas Jefferson, then; he seems to think it wasn't.

Read the Constitution, which sets up a secular government.

The Declaration of Independence refers to god and creator several times, but remember it wasn't an official government formation document, it was a letter to the king of England (Which was Anglican) about the colony's wishes.

im not saying it was, but many of our first laws are similar to those in Jewish and Christian Holy books

Aren't those rules similarly the same for everyone? The Jews and Christians didn't make them up.

It's pretty much stuff you would think people could come up with using common sense. "Don't kill people", no shit. My class has been dissecting the 27 amendments in the past few weeks, and when I compared it with the Holy books, it is entirely different.

[Odhinnia]

I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America, and To the Republic for Which it stands, One nation under The Allfather Odin in Valhalla, Once Divided but now whole again.. despite bickering the bickering of republicans and democrats, with liberty and justice for all who can afford attorneys (Here's looking at you OJ Simpson).

[Seculartopia]

Something tells me that this kid is doing it for press and money. I know that people cant possibly believe that this stunt is going to affect anybody. I would respect this shit if it was part of a real movement for change and not another American ploy for their 15 mins of fame.

I feel the same.

Something tells me that the boy is simply being rebellious for the sake of attention.

Or hes just speaking his mind.

Then speak your mind in a way that shows you are not about attention but about action.

Jesus dude he is only fucking 10..

So?

So, what do you expect him to do?

Organize a mass protest outside the capitol building?

Probably Not.

But dont let his age totally demise him.

[Nadkor]

one nation under god - America was founded on christian values

You'd better tell Thomas Jefferson, then; he seems to think it wasn't.

Read the Constitution, which sets up a secular government.

The Declaration of Independence refers to god and creator several times, but remember it wasn't an official government formation document, it was a letter to the king of England (Which was Anglican) about the colony's wishes.

im not saying it was, but many of our first laws are similar to those in Jewish and Christian Holy books

Aren't those rules similarly the same for everyone? The Jews and Christians didn't make them up.

It's pretty much stuff you would think people could come up with using common sense. "Don't kill people", no shit. My class has been dissecting the 27 amendments in the past few weeks, and when I compared it with the Holy books, it is entirely different.

Indeed. I'm pretty certain I've never seen the 11th amendment mentioned in the bible.

[Cecilia Penifader]

If a little kid gets it, why do so many adults not get it?

I don't know . . .

Maybe because their parents aren't telling them what to say and think.

I'm not saying that the kid doesn't believe in his argument or that he doesn't at least mostly understand the situation. I am saying, though, that 10-year-old children rarely form independent thoughts about complicated political and moral issues without some serious guidance.

He was raised with good values for the most part, at least in my estimation. I don't think telling his teacher to jump off a bridge is very nice, and his father should instill in him the importance of treating adults and those with whom you disagree with respect and kindness, but we shouldn't ask why he's figured out some fundamental truth of the universe when adults can't. He hasn't figured anything out. He hasn't even begun to delve into the real moral and social dilemmas behind the issue. Kids just have an innate sense of fairness, except when it comes to themselves and something they want, so it's not a hard argument for a child to grasp, especially for one who's living in a household that preaches this belief.

[Redwulf]

Something tells me that this kid is doing it for press and money. I know that people cant possibly believe that this stunt is going to affect anybody. I would respect this shit if it was part of a real movement for change and not another American ploy for their 15 mins of fame.

I feel the same.

Something tells me that the boy is simply being rebellious for the sake of attention.

Or hes just speaking his mind.

Then speak your mind in a way that shows you are not about attention but about action.

Jesus dude he is only fucking 10..

So?

So, what do you expect him to do?

Organize a mass protest outside the capitol building?

Probably Not.

But dont let his age totally demise him.

I think he has several decades before his age demises him. Although he could demise in other ways before then . . .

[BrightonBurg]

He is ten years old,he does not have a choice,he is under the age of majority,he either does the pledge OR wait outside the class until it is done, you don't pander to bloody 10 year old,you tell them what to do,if the parent gives the teacher a note saying he does not want his/her child doing the pledge,fine.

Then the 10 year old sits in the class with his gob shut while the pledge is done,simple and easy nice no fuss,BB solvled problems.heheh

My 3 cents..

Thats not fair* that he should have to remove himself from the class. Its a persons right not to say it, i believe some law stated so.

Plus, see it in this light: Hes removed from class, and feels like hes a different person from the norm, or majority of the class.

Life is not fair. he's 10. not a adult, kids follow the rules. without a note excusing the little malcontent,he either leaves the class while the pledge is being said. period.

I don't consern myself with a 10 year olds "feelings."



* A BB rule of life.

Life is unfair, Life if pain,anyone who says different is trying to sell something,and Das BB AINT BUYING!

[True Imperial Domain]

Something tells me that this kid is doing it for press and money. I know that people cant possibly believe that this stunt is going to affect anybody. I would respect this shit if it was part of a real movement for change and not another American ploy for their 15 mins of fame.

I feel the same.

Something tells me that the boy is simply being rebellious for the sake of attention.

Or hes just speaking his mind.

Then speak your mind in a way that shows you are not about attention but about action.

Jesus dude he is only fucking 10..

I have taken that into account. I dont ever judge a person by thier age however but by the value of thier statement. By going public with nothing more than a gimmick, I feel that its irresponsible of the networks to publicize the message and an uneducated attempt at attention. Now I respect what the kid is saying but the way it is being presented by him and the media is irresponsible and looks to the rest of the world like another American seeking their 15 mins.

And I would ask you to keep it civil. This is simply a discussion.

[Nadkor]

Now I respect what the kid is saying but the way it is being presented by him and the media is irresponsible and looks to the rest of the world like another American seeking their 15 mins.

Here's a hint; the rest of the world really couldn't give a fuck.

[Redwulf]

He is ten years old,he does not have a choice,he is under the age of majority,he either does the pledge OR wait outside the class until it is done, you don't pander to bloody 10 year old,you tell them what to do,if the parent gives the teacher a note saying he does not want his/her child doing the pledge,fine.

Then the 10 year old sits in the class with his gob shut while the pledge is done,simple and easy nice no fuss,BB solvled problems.heheh

My 3 cents..

Thats not fair* that he should have to remove himself from the class. Its a persons right not to say it, i believe some law stated so.

Plus, see it in this light: Hes removed from class, and feels like hes a different person from the norm, or majority of the class.

Life is not fair. he's 10. not a adult, kids follow the rules. without a note excusing the little malcontent,he either leaves the class while the pledge is being said

Again, why should he need a note and why should he leave?

[Arumdaum]

Aren't those rules similarly the same for everyone? The Jews and Christians didn't make them up.

Didn't you know? Prior to Judaism, nobody thought that murder was wrong. The Jews invented that idea. Because, as we all know, it is perfectly easy for a stable society to form which allows murder.

Also Buddhism supported peace. Also, Jews kill in the Bible, and thought that God favored their race. And there were countries in Mesopotamia thinking murder was bad in the 2000's B.C.