How Far Is TOO Far? Chronologically Delayed

[Draakonite]

Ever heard of "Otherkin"?

If they have brains more similar to those of their identified species than those of humans, I might take them seriously and begin to wonder about accommodating them.

Is that the only study? Im somewhat sceptic about the result.

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[The Serbian Empire]

I question if it's possible let alone it actually happen.

[The Wycihowskiist Collective]

So I was thinking about Transgendered people, and I was wondering if it could be applied other ways. I don't have any problems with it, but usually i think societal rules evolve for good reasons.

Anyways I thought about an application and I wast to see what you thought about it:

You are the principal of a high school. Students and their parents are enrolling them in their classes when you have an unusual problem. In comes Cindy, a girl who wants to enroll in 9th grade, She is a biological female, so no problems there. The problem is her age. She is 21. Yet she claims that she is " transchronological" and that she really is a freshman in high school.
Her father comes in with her, He explains to you that while she indeed IS 21, that she developmentally functions at a 15 year old level. Yes, she has been to high school, but a psychiatrist report you are given says that " because of her being transchronological, she functions at a level of a 15 year old. It would be recommended foe her to go through high school , since by that time her emotional and developmental delays will get better".
You observe her while her father dioes that talking, and you observe many childish behaviors. When her father mentions her developmental delay, Cindy rolls her eyes and becomes engrossed in her Iphone. She clearly is bored, and gives off body language that she would rather not be here.
Her father asks she be enrolled, and that since she is emotionally and developmentally delayed, that he be appraised of her behavior. He emphasises that she is not mentally delayed in any way, but that she needs as he says " more time to grow up" and feels that he would be an excellent student at your high school.
So do you take here? She IS 21 and, as most people consider, an adult? Do you refuse her?

My opinion is that transgendered people are all right. But as my example shows, what is excellent for male to female or female to male people can open a whole can of worms. What do you do? At what time do you put a stop to it? Oh, and YES, people that ARE developmentally delayed ( severely or profoundly retarded) CAN go to school to the age of 25. What rules should society set? I see a lot of chaos.

I'll admit I really wanted to spend an extra here in high school (had some good friends the class behind me). To my knowledge some private (especially boarding it seems) schools allow kids to stay on an extra 6months - year to take more college prep courses if they want before heading to college. That said what you're proposing seems obviously a good deal more radical than that. Im not sure I would tend to say not without the person's consent. Also while i realize that many people consider transgenderism to be innate like sexual orientation the transgender person does still often make a conscience and informed decision on how and whether to transition/express/identify themselves and their fully informed consent is obviously critical to any surgery or transition. That said youre transchronos would present a bit of a conundrum here as if they are truly as "delayed' as they appear then are they really capable of consenting once they reach the age of majority or should their legal guardian make all the decisions here (or some combination). Additionally, at least for mental or psychiatrict incompetency/incapacitation the state or relatives can file for a conservatorship over a person which gives them broad powers to control the persons life decisions however such options are more reserved for extreme case of things like paranoid schizophrenia.

But in the case of school let us not forget that isn't primary principle and goal is the academic education of students with physical education and psychosocial development as a secondary goals. I mean it seems like perhaps if the school had the faculty (and enought students to justify the expense) to provide further college level classes to this 21 year old (who i assume has already been through high school once or am i misunderstanding you?) then perhaps it would be all right.

That said why not just let her go to a local college and celebrate school events and activities with the high school that way her career prospects are not delayed (in case she comes to realize when she is mature that she really wasn't transchrono if that makes any sense) and she can still enjoy the comraderie of people "her own age".

Of course integrating transgender students can be hard and expensive enough as it is and even in open communities they likely face at least moderate criticism, i'd have to think the same would be true of these transchronos.

That's what I mean. We have to ask ourselves a simple question": Where or when should society draw the line?

[Llamalandia]

!. The reason I put it here was to see if their was any concerns about the scenario descibed. My sole point is that it spells a change for our society ( and change can be good). However, changes always bring on further changes. Point in case: The civil rights protest of the 60's and 70's opened the minds of disabled people to fight for their own rights. Nobody expected that to come from the Civll Rights Movement.
2. Where do we stop? There are some abvious ones we wouldn't allow because their criminal in nature. But to what point? Is ageplay next? Furrys? You see what I mean?
3. That was the whole point of it, to explore the possible consequences ( unintended, possibly) of decisions we make today.

1) There are no serious ones.
2) Provided it's legal and not hurting anybody who doesn't consent, ageplay and furries would be fine.
3) I see very few possible negative consequences that wouldn't be for the better.

Yeah seems that age of consent laws and rape in general have been contentious topics round here lately, I can only begin to imagine the legal nightmare that would be trying to sort out the "birds and bees" aspects of all this I mean heck something as seemingly simple as bathroom choice has become a national issue lately wrt transgenders if we can't figure that out yet how are we ever going to sort this out. Not saying because it's it hard we should ignore it but dang it could be really hard.

[Cannot think of a name]

Well...thanks for that unrelated, unsolicited and disturbingly specific revenge fantasy that closes the gap between you and serial killers...

I don't have any mercy or pity for them. Kill them and don't allow them the privledge of breathing Earth's oxygen for a second loger.

I think that was clear the first time, killer. We've an accurate measure of your righteous blood lust.

[Spartan Philidelphia]

Hey! Let's say there is a 13 year old girl, and she's normal except she wants to become a zebra! HAVE WE GONE TOO FAR?

[Tsuntion]

If they have brains more similar to those of their identified species than those of humans, I might take them seriously and begin to wonder about accommodating them.

Is that the only study? Im somewhat sceptic about the result.

There's another which gave a similar finding for male-to-female transgender people. You could check out the rest of the "related articles" list for yourself.

[Ifreann]

I'll admit I really wanted to spend an extra here in high school (had some good friends the class behind me). To my knowledge some private (especially boarding it seems) schools allow kids to stay on an extra 6months - year to take more college prep courses if they want before heading to college. That said what you're proposing seems obviously a good deal more radical than that. Im not sure I would tend to say not without the person's consent. Also while i realize that many people consider transgenderism to be innate like sexual orientation the transgender person does still often make a conscience and informed decision on how and whether to transition/express/identify themselves and their fully informed consent is obviously critical to any surgery or transition. That said youre transchronos would present a bit of a conundrum here as if they are truly as "delayed' as they appear then are they really capable of consenting once they reach the age of majority or should their legal guardian make all the decisions here (or some combination). Additionally, at least for mental or psychiatrict incompetency/incapacitation the state or relatives can file for a conservatorship over a person which gives them broad powers to control the persons life decisions however such options are more reserved for extreme case of things like paranoid schizophrenia.

But in the case of school let us not forget that isn't primary principle and goal is the academic education of students with physical education and psychosocial development as a secondary goals. I mean it seems like perhaps if the school had the faculty (and enought students to justify the expense) to provide further college level classes to this 21 year old (who i assume has already been through high school once or am i misunderstanding you?) then perhaps it would be all right.

That said why not just let her go to a local college and celebrate school events and activities with the high school that way her career prospects are not delayed (in case she comes to realize when she is mature that she really wasn't transchrono if that makes any sense) and she can still enjoy the comraderie of people "her own age".

Of course integrating transgender students can be hard and expensive enough as it is and even in open communities they likely face at least moderate criticism, i'd have to think the same would be true of these transchronos.

That's what I mean. We have to ask ourselves a simple question": Where or when should society draw the line?

No, we really don't, since none of these things you're wringing your hands about are happening, or show any signs of ever happening.

[Souseiseki]

Hey! Let's say there is a 13 year old girl, and she's normal except she wants to become a zebra! HAVE WE GONE TOO FAR?

a 21 year old zebra

[Cannot think of a name]

I'll admit I really wanted to spend an extra here in high school (had some good friends the class behind me). To my knowledge some private (especially boarding it seems) schools allow kids to stay on an extra 6months - year to take more college prep courses if they want before heading to college. That said what you're proposing seems obviously a good deal more radical than that. Im not sure I would tend to say not without the person's consent. Also while i realize that many people consider transgenderism to be innate like sexual orientation the transgender person does still often make a conscience and informed decision on how and whether to transition/express/identify themselves and their fully informed consent is obviously critical to any surgery or transition. That said youre transchronos would present a bit of a conundrum here as if they are truly as "delayed' as they appear then are they really capable of consenting once they reach the age of majority or should their legal guardian make all the decisions here (or some combination). Additionally, at least for mental or psychiatrict incompetency/incapacitation the state or relatives can file for a conservatorship over a person which gives them broad powers to control the persons life decisions however such options are more reserved for extreme case of things like paranoid schizophrenia.

But in the case of school let us not forget that isn't primary principle and goal is the academic education of students with physical education and psychosocial development as a secondary goals. I mean it seems like perhaps if the school had the faculty (and enought students to justify the expense) to provide further college level classes to this 21 year old (who i assume has already been through high school once or am i misunderstanding you?) then perhaps it would be all right.

That said why not just let her go to a local college and celebrate school events and activities with the high school that way her career prospects are not delayed (in case she comes to realize when she is mature that she really wasn't transchrono if that makes any sense) and she can still enjoy the comraderie of people "her own age".

Of course integrating transgender students can be hard and expensive enough as it is and even in open communities they likely face at least moderate criticism, i'd have to think the same would be true of these transchronos.

That's what I mean. We have to ask ourselves a simple question": Where or when should society draw the line?

Why is there an arbitrary 'line' when we should be deciding each thing on its merits?

[New England and The Maritimes]

Durkheim was a jackass and structural functionalist viewpoints are generally naive. Social rules don't "exist for a reason." They exist because, over time, people agreed implicitly or explicitly to uphold them and that's why they exist.

[Llamalandia]

I'll admit I really wanted to spend an extra here in high school (had some good friends the class behind me). To my knowledge some private (especially boarding it seems) schools allow kids to stay on an extra 6months - year to take more college prep courses if they want before heading to college. That said what you're proposing seems obviously a good deal more radical than that. Im not sure I would tend to say not without the person's consent. Also while i realize that many people consider transgenderism to be innate like sexual orientation the transgender person does still often make a conscience and informed decision on how and whether to transition/express/identify themselves and their fully informed consent is obviously critical to any surgery or transition. That said youre transchronos would present a bit of a conundrum here as if they are truly as "delayed' as they appear then are they really capable of consenting once they reach the age of majority or should their legal guardian make all the decisions here (or some combination). Additionally, at least for mental or psychiatrict incompetency/incapacitation the state or relatives can file for a conservatorship over a person which gives them broad powers to control the persons life decisions however such options are more reserved for extreme case of things like paranoid schizophrenia.

But in the case of school let us not forget that isn't primary principle and goal is the academic education of students with physical education and psychosocial development as a secondary goals. I mean it seems like perhaps if the school had the faculty (and enought students to justify the expense) to provide further college level classes to this 21 year old (who i assume has already been through high school once or am i misunderstanding you?) then perhaps it would be all right.

That said why not just let her go to a local college and celebrate school events and activities with the high school that way her career prospects are not delayed (in case she comes to realize when she is mature that she really wasn't transchrono if that makes any sense) and she can still enjoy the comraderie of people "her own age".

Of course integrating transgender students can be hard and expensive enough as it is and even in open communities they likely face at least moderate criticism, i'd have to think the same would be true of these transchronos.

That's what I mean. We have to ask ourselves a simple question": Where or when should society draw the line?

Well in answering that question i think we should consider the feasibility and reality of how it would play out in the real world as well as the issue of basic morality rights and fairness. That said at least i don't think too many fudamentalist religous types could find support for calling it evil based on scripture/doctrine.

[Olivaero]

I'll admit I really wanted to spend an extra here in high school (had some good friends the class behind me). To my knowledge some private (especially boarding it seems) schools allow kids to stay on an extra 6months - year to take more college prep courses if they want before heading to college. That said what you're proposing seems obviously a good deal more radical than that. Im not sure I would tend to say not without the person's consent. Also while i realize that many people consider transgenderism to be innate like sexual orientation the transgender person does still often make a conscience and informed decision on how and whether to transition/express/identify themselves and their fully informed consent is obviously critical to any surgery or transition. That said youre transchronos would present a bit of a conundrum here as if they are truly as "delayed' as they appear then are they really capable of consenting once they reach the age of majority or should their legal guardian make all the decisions here (or some combination). Additionally, at least for mental or psychiatrict incompetency/incapacitation the state or relatives can file for a conservatorship over a person which gives them broad powers to control the persons life decisions however such options are more reserved for extreme case of things like paranoid schizophrenia.

But in the case of school let us not forget that isn't primary principle and goal is the academic education of students with physical education and psychosocial development as a secondary goals. I mean it seems like perhaps if the school had the faculty (and enought students to justify the expense) to provide further college level classes to this 21 year old (who i assume has already been through high school once or am i misunderstanding you?) then perhaps it would be all right.

That said why not just let her go to a local college and celebrate school events and activities with the high school that way her career prospects are not delayed (in case she comes to realize when she is mature that she really wasn't transchrono if that makes any sense) and she can still enjoy the comraderie of people "her own age".

Of course integrating transgender students can be hard and expensive enough as it is and even in open communities they likely face at least moderate criticism, i'd have to think the same would be true of these transchronos.

That's what I mean. We have to ask ourselves a simple question": Where or when should society draw the line?

Why don't you concentrate on things people actually propose rather than just making shit up?

[Ifreann]

Hey! Let's say there is a 13 year old girl, and she's normal except she wants to become a zebra! HAVE WE GONE TOO FAR?

What would Diana say?! Ban this sick filth!

[Zottistan]

1) There are no serious ones.
2) Provided it's legal and not hurting anybody who doesn't consent, ageplay and furries would be fine.
3) I see very few possible negative consequences that wouldn't be for the better.

Yeah seems that age of consent laws and rape in general have been contentious topics round here lately, I can only begin to imagine the legal nightmare that would be trying to sort out the "birds and bees" aspects of all this I mean heck something as seemingly simple as bathroom choice has become a national issue lately wrt transgenders if we can't figure that out yet how are we ever going to sort this out. Not saying because it's it hard we should ignore it but dang it could be really hard.

There are some major flaws in that system to begin with, which I've been thinking about a lot lately, but I'd say the standard system would apply based on chronological age to avoid abuse.

[Draakonite]

Is that the only study? Im somewhat sceptic about the result.

There's another which gave a similar finding for male-to-female transgender people. You could check out the rest of the "related articles" list for yourself.

I think a group of 60 people for a study is to small, though.

[Spartan Philidelphia]

Hey! Let's say there is a 13 year old girl, and she's normal except she wants to become a zebra! HAVE WE GONE TOO FAR?

a 21 year old zebra

Yes, even worse! Are we going to allow her to live on the savannah? Should we let her have sex with adult humans even though she is "chronologically" 13 but believes she is 21 and a zebra?

It's not even a slippery slope anymore. It's a cliff. A soapy cliff.

Edit: A MALE ZEBRA... and an ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT.

[The Parkus Empire]

But without the lol transchronological bullshit then how could the thread secretly be about "Trans people: Should they be allowed?"

I'm not debating whether transpeople should be allowed. I am fine with whatever they choose. I am saying, as technology and other fringe groups demand THEIR rights, where do we draw the line? Hell, what if a furrie who identifies as a dog wants to be walked by a person? Do you see what I mean?

But if we let women vote then soon goldfish will be allowed to vote where will we draw the line guize?

[The Wycihowskiist Collective]

That's what I mean. We have to ask ourselves a simple question": Where or when should society draw the line?

No, we really don't, since none of these things you're wringing your hands about are happening, or show any signs of ever happening.

Let me tell you something. Because the Ageplay comounity has been used for laughs, I personally know some people who WOULD take it to that level. People are pissed because of our explotation ( by TV) and are talking about a "Ab/Dl Rights" or whatever the hell they want to call it. Don't think their isn't people watching transpeople and cheering in the background. Beleive me when I say this, it WILL come sometime.

[Cannot think of a name]

Hey! Let's say there is a 13 year old girl, and she's normal except she wants to become a zebra! HAVE WE GONE TOO FAR?

What would Diana say?! Ban this sick filth!

Wait, Bronies aren't down with the zebra? Whats this shit? Do we have to send Captain Kirk in to straighten you all out?






...well, that was a stretch...good luck everyone!

[Ifreann]

Hey! Let's say there is a 13 year old girl, and she's normal except she wants to become a zebra! HAVE WE GONE TOO FAR?

a 21 year old zebra

A 21 year old gay zebra stallion and member of the Democratic Party.

[Ifreann]

No, we really don't, since none of these things you're wringing your hands about are happening, or show any signs of ever happening.

Let me tell you something.

No. I am not interested in your prognostications.

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What would Diana say?! Ban this sick filth!

Wait, Bronies aren't down with the zebra? Whats this shit? Do we have to send Captain Kirk in to straighten you all out?

I'm not racist, I have zebra friends.

[Zottistan]

No, we really don't, since none of these things you're wringing your hands about are happening, or show any signs of ever happening.

Let me tell you something. Because the Ageplay comounity has been used for laughs, I personally know some people who WOULD take it to that level. People are pissed because of our explotation ( by TV) and are talking about a "Ab/Dl Rights" or whatever the hell they want to call it. Don't think their isn't people watching transpeople and cheering in the background. Beleive me when I say this, it WILL come sometime.

And if it does, so what?

[Liriena]

If a woman believes and knows she is actually supposed to be a man then by all means let him go through the proper procedures of reassignment.

Same rule applies. The 21 year old woman believes and knows she is a 14 year old. S she be allowed to go to High School?

Depends. Has this hypothetical woman attended high school before?

[Dumb Ideologies]

a 21 year old zebra

Yes, even worse! Are we going to allow her to live on the savannah? Should we let her have sex with adult humans even though she is "chronologically" 13 but believes she is 21 and a zebra?

It's not even a slippery slope anymore. It's a cliff. A soapy cliff.

Edit: A MALE ZEBRA... and an ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT.

This entire thread feels like a lost episode of Brass Eye.