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Postby The Noahideian Civitatis » Fri Aug 30, 2013 1:06 pm

So I was thinking about Transgendered people, and I was wondering if it could be applied other ways. I don't have any problems with it, but usually i think societal rules evolve for good reasons.

Anyways I thought about an application and I wast to see what you thought about it:

You are the principal of a high school. Students and their parents are enrolling them in their classes when you have an unusual problem. In comes Cindy, a girl who wants to enroll in 9th grade, She is a biological female, so no problems there. The problem is her age. She is 21. Yet she claims that she is " transchronological" and that she really is a freshman in high school.
Her father comes in with her, He explains to you that while she indeed IS 21, that she developmentally functions at a 15 year old level. Yes, she has been to high school, but a psychiatrist report you are given says that " because of her being transchronological, she functions at a level of a 15 year old. It would be recommended foe her to go through high school , since by that time her emotional and developmental delays will get better".
You observe her while her father dioes that talking, and you observe many childish behaviors. When her father mentions her developmental delay, Cindy rolls her eyes and becomes engrossed in her Iphone. She clearly is bored, and gives off body language that she would rather not be here.
Her father asks she be enrolled, and that since she is emotionally and developmentally delayed, that he be appraised of her behavior. He emphasises that she is not mentally delayed in any way, but that she needs as he says " more time to grow up" and feels that he would be an excellent student at your high school.
So do you take here? She IS 21 and, as most people consider, an adult? Do you refuse her?

My opinion is that transgendered people are all right. But as my example shows, what is excellent for male to female or female to male people can open a whole can of worms. What do you do? At what time do you put a stop to it? Oh, and YES, people that ARE developmentally delayed ( severely or profoundly retarded) CAN go to school to the age of 25. What rules should society set? I see a lot of chaos.

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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Fri Aug 30, 2013 1:09 pm

Wut.
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Postby Benuty » Fri Aug 30, 2013 1:11 pm

If a woman believes and knows she is actually supposed to be a man then by all means let him go through the proper procedures of reassignment.
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Postby The Wycihowskiist Collective » Fri Aug 30, 2013 1:14 pm

Benuty wrote:If a woman believes and knows she is actually supposed to be a man then by all means let him go through the proper procedures of reassignment.
I don't think that is the question. Rather, should he let the student attend High School or not?

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Postby Ifreann » Fri Aug 30, 2013 1:15 pm

Dumb Ideologies wrote:Wut.

I think this means you're too young to drink.
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Postby Zottistan » Fri Aug 30, 2013 1:15 pm

The Wycihowskiist Collective wrote:
Benuty wrote:If a woman believes and knows she is actually supposed to be a man then by all means let him go through the proper procedures of reassignment.
I don't think that is the question. Rather, should he let the student attend High School or not?

Yes. I see no trouble in educating people.
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Postby The Wycihowskiist Collective » Fri Aug 30, 2013 1:16 pm

Benuty wrote:If a woman believes and knows she is actually supposed to be a man then by all means let him go through the proper procedures of reassignment.


Same rule applies. The 21 year old woman believes and knows she is a 14 year old. S she be allowed to go to High School?

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Postby The Wycihowskiist Collective » Fri Aug 30, 2013 1:17 pm

Zottistan wrote:
The Wycihowskiist Collective wrote: I don't think that is the question. Rather, should he let the student attend High School or not?

Yes. I see no trouble in educating people.


So the Prom and everything? You would be for a 21 year old woman say, choosing to go out with a chronologically 14 year old boy? ( Seems to follow if she beleives she is 14)

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Postby Benuty » Fri Aug 30, 2013 1:19 pm

The student should be able to attend highschool how else will they adjust if you deprive them of vital interaction.
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Postby Ifreann » Fri Aug 30, 2013 1:21 pm

The Wycihowskiist Collective wrote:
Benuty wrote:If a woman believes and knows she is actually supposed to be a man then by all means let him go through the proper procedures of reassignment.


Same rule applies.

No it doesn't.
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Postby Souseiseki » Fri Aug 30, 2013 1:21 pm

whether developmentally disabled adults should be able to go to a high school might have been an interesting topic if you didn't put in all this lol transchronologial bullshit
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Postby Zottistan » Fri Aug 30, 2013 1:21 pm

The Wycihowskiist Collective wrote:
Zottistan wrote:Yes. I see no trouble in educating people.


So the Prom and everything? You would be for a 21 year old woman say, choosing to go out with a chronologically 14 year old boy? ( Seems to follow if she beleives she is 14)

Go out? Sure. Physical contact and sex would have to be forbidden if they hadn't undergone surgery to correct themselves, but afterwards, sure.
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Postby The Wycihowskiist Collective » Fri Aug 30, 2013 1:22 pm

Benuty wrote:The student should be able to attend highschool how else will they adjust if you deprive them of vital interaction.


You know she is 21 in real life, right? It's fine if she thinks she is 14, but what if she hooks up with a chronologically aged boy of 14? You know, boyfriend-girlfreind ? What if them, like umm..knock boots? Under our law, that would be child molestation.

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Postby Draakonite » Fri Aug 30, 2013 1:24 pm

Zottistan wrote:if they hadn't undergone surgery to correct themselves


What? why should skin rejuvenation put you above the law?

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Postby The Wycihowskiist Collective » Fri Aug 30, 2013 1:24 pm

Souseiseki wrote:whether developmentally disabled adults should be able to go to a high school might have been an interesting topic if you didn't put in all this lol transchronologial bullshit


She isn't retarded. She mentally is average, just acts younger then her years. As I have said, I have no problem with transgendered people. But what if people keep changing ages ( I don't know why they would do that), species , etc. Where does it end?

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Postby Zottistan » Fri Aug 30, 2013 1:25 pm

The Wycihowskiist Collective wrote:
Benuty wrote:The student should be able to attend highschool how else will they adjust if you deprive them of vital interaction.


You know she is 21 in real life, right? It's fine if she thinks she is 14, but what if she hooks up with a chronologically aged boy of 14? You know, boyfriend-girlfreind ? What if them, like umm..knock boots? Under our law, that would be child molestation.

Yes, it would. And unless she'd had surgery to give her a suitable muscle and bone structure, which, medically, would be impressive, but if it wasn't accomplished, such sexual relations would be rape.
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Postby Benuty » Fri Aug 30, 2013 1:25 pm

The Wycihowskiist Collective wrote:
Benuty wrote:The student should be able to attend highschool how else will they adjust if you deprive them of vital interaction.


You know she is 21 in real life, right? It's fine if she thinks she is 14, but what if she hooks up with a chronologically aged boy of 14? You know, boyfriend-girlfreind ? What if them, like umm..knock boots? Under our law, that would be child molestation.


Your worried about a 21 year old with the mental status of a 14 year old might be interested in sex thus proving a potential criminal danger?

I hardly see any harm in a relationship as long as it is monitored by the parents to ensure nothing goes wrong ( ie harassment, bullying, etc from other peers).
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Postby Ifreann » Fri Aug 30, 2013 1:25 pm

Souseiseki wrote:whether developmentally disabled adults should be able to go to a high school might have been an interesting topic if you didn't put in all this lol transchronologial bullshit

But without the lol transchronological bullshit then how could the thread secretly be about "Trans people: Should they be allowed?"
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Postby The Wycihowskiist Collective » Fri Aug 30, 2013 1:26 pm

Draakonite wrote:
Zottistan wrote:if they hadn't undergone surgery to correct themselves


What? why should skin rejuvenation put you above the law?


That's the thing. Because she actually is the age 21. Adults ( as society defines them) can not sleep with people under the age of 18. Period.

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Postby Benuty » Fri Aug 30, 2013 1:27 pm

The Wycihowskiist Collective wrote:
Draakonite wrote:
What? why should skin rejuvenation put you above the law?


That's the thing. Because she actually is the age 21. Adults ( as society defines them) can not sleep with people under the age of 18. Period.


There are several countries which would disagree with you about the age of consent.
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Postby Tsuntion » Fri Aug 30, 2013 1:27 pm

Transgender people have a slight advantage over transchronological people in that they actually exist.

We should accept and reasonably accommodate all people who exist. When you show me evidence for transchronological people and point out their recognition in medicine and biology, we can consider the two comparable.

For the developmentally delayed, that does not necessarily involve going through a normal schooling process.
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Fri Aug 30, 2013 1:27 pm

Don't we call this 'developmentally disabled' and already have accommodations for it?
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Postby Galborg » Fri Aug 30, 2013 1:27 pm

I have seen millions of US cartoons where the hero goes back to high school to complete his diploma.

If Cindy needs her diploma, then let her enrol.

Ifn she already has graduated and she only wants to join for some social experience, NO

Looking bored and playing with phone is normal teenager behaviour, she'll be fine.
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Postby Zottistan » Fri Aug 30, 2013 1:27 pm

Draakonite wrote:
Zottistan wrote:if they hadn't undergone surgery to correct themselves


What? why should skin rejuvenation put you above the law?

Muscle and bone restructuring surgery, not skin rejuvenation.

Actually, fuck it, surgery like that would be permanent. Minors having sex is illegal anyway, a person over the chronological age cutoff would be legally accountable for rape if they have illegal sex with minors. Ignore everything else I've said.
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