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Postby CTALNH » Sun Sep 01, 2013 6:36 am

New England and The Maritimes wrote:
CTALNH wrote:I obey the state because I choose to obey the state.

If you chose not to, the state would make you.

Let them try.
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Postby Zottistan » Sun Sep 01, 2013 6:36 am

CTALNH wrote:
Zottistan wrote:You're a statist, aren't you? The state commands often unearned authority.

I obey the state because I choose to obey the state.

And you could choose to disobey god without killing it.
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Postby Bendira » Sun Sep 01, 2013 6:38 am

If you are against monarchy then you should be an anti-theist
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Postby CTALNH » Sun Sep 01, 2013 6:39 am

Zottistan wrote:
CTALNH wrote:I obey the state because I choose to obey the state.

And you could choose to disobey god without killing it.

Yes you see all Gods have the I rule over you even if you disobey me.

Well nobody rules me except myself.
"This guy is a State socialist, which doesn't so much mean mass murder and totalitarianism as it means trying to have a strong state to lead the way out of poverty and towards a bright future. Strict state control of the economy is necessary to make the great leap forward into that brighter future, and all elements of society must be sure to contribute or else."
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Postby Bendira » Sun Sep 01, 2013 6:39 am

CTALNH wrote:
New England and The Maritimes wrote:If you chose not to, the state would make you.

Let them try.


Lol, ok Rambo, good luck fighting the state.
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Postby CTALNH » Sun Sep 01, 2013 6:41 am

Bendira wrote:
CTALNH wrote:Let them try.


Lol, ok Rambo, good luck fighting the state.

Insurrection is not a right its a duty!
"This guy is a State socialist, which doesn't so much mean mass murder and totalitarianism as it means trying to have a strong state to lead the way out of poverty and towards a bright future. Strict state control of the economy is necessary to make the great leap forward into that brighter future, and all elements of society must be sure to contribute or else."
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Postby Zottistan » Sun Sep 01, 2013 6:41 am

CTALNH wrote:
Zottistan wrote:And you could choose to disobey god without killing it.

Yes you see all Gods have the I rule over you even if you disobey me.

Well nobody rules me except myself.

The state has that, too. That's why they punish you.
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Postby Jamessonia » Sun Sep 01, 2013 6:41 am

CTALNH wrote:
Jamessonia wrote:I'm not saying I would respect him. I'm only asking if it would be physically possible for a mortal to kill a (theoretical) god?

Who says their omnipotent and powerful?

If they're not are they gods? What separates them from people besides immortality and power?
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Postby CTALNH » Sun Sep 01, 2013 6:44 am

Jamessonia wrote:
CTALNH wrote:Who says their omnipotent and powerful?

If they're not are they gods? What separates them from people besides immortality and power?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ODetOE6cbbc
"This guy is a State socialist, which doesn't so much mean mass murder and totalitarianism as it means trying to have a strong state to lead the way out of poverty and towards a bright future. Strict state control of the economy is necessary to make the great leap forward into that brighter future, and all elements of society must be sure to contribute or else."
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Postby The Land of Truth » Sun Sep 01, 2013 6:45 am

Bendira wrote:
CTALNH wrote:Let them try.


Lol, ok Rambo, good luck fighting the state.

It's really not that hard.
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Postby Zottistan » Sun Sep 01, 2013 7:02 am

The Land of Truth wrote:
Bendira wrote:
Lol, ok Rambo, good luck fighting the state.

It's really not that hard.

Everybody would overthrow the government if it were easy.
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Postby CTALNH » Sun Sep 01, 2013 7:05 am

Zottistan wrote:
The Land of Truth wrote:It's really not that hard.

Everybody would overthrow the government if it were easy.

Logistically speaking its hard us fuck.
"This guy is a State socialist, which doesn't so much mean mass murder and totalitarianism as it means trying to have a strong state to lead the way out of poverty and towards a bright future. Strict state control of the economy is necessary to make the great leap forward into that brighter future, and all elements of society must be sure to contribute or else."
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Postby Cameroi » Sun Sep 01, 2013 7:51 am

for any human to define god is an absurdity. whatever god, gods or godlike beings, see fit to exist, owe NOTHING to anything anyone claims to know about them.
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Postby The Land of Truth » Sun Sep 01, 2013 8:25 am

Zottistan wrote:
The Land of Truth wrote:It's really not that hard.

Everybody would overthrow the government if it were easy.

Why is "overthrowing the government" the only way you can fight the state?
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Postby Free Soviets » Sun Sep 01, 2013 1:57 pm

Jamessonia wrote:
CTALNH wrote:If I met a god I would kill him.

But wouldn't that be impossible? If that was possible would he be a god?

depends on the god. many traditions hold that gods can die, after all. including a rather prominent one...
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Postby Shaggai » Sun Sep 01, 2013 2:07 pm

Free Soviets wrote:
Jamessonia wrote:But wouldn't that be impossible? If that was possible would he be a god?

depends on the god. many traditions hold that gods can die, after all. including a rather prominent one...

You mean "every single Norse god"?
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Postby New Lesbos » Sun Sep 01, 2013 2:09 pm

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New England and The Maritimes wrote:
Jamessonia wrote:But wouldn't that be impossible? If that was possible would he be a god?

To be quite honest, any being proclaiming itself your ruler should not be treated with respect beyond that which all living things deserve. Nobody is your master and that is how it should be.

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Postby Anachronous Rex » Sun Sep 01, 2013 7:40 pm

Shaggai wrote:
Free Soviets wrote:depends on the god. many traditions hold that gods can die, after all. including a rather prominent one...

You mean "every single Norse god"?

Except Baldur. And two humans who camped out in a forest that survived Surtr's flame.

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Postby Yumyumsuppertime » Sun Sep 01, 2013 8:11 pm

Bendira wrote:If you are against monarchy then you should be an anti-theist


Nonsense.

"No man is my King. Only God."
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Postby Warda » Sun Sep 01, 2013 8:12 pm

Yumyumsuppertime wrote:
Bendira wrote:If you are against monarchy then you should be an anti-theist


Nonsense.

"No man is my King. Only God."

what if ur king is ur god
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Postby Anachronous Rex » Sun Sep 01, 2013 8:21 pm

Yumyumsuppertime wrote:
Bendira wrote:If you are against monarchy then you should be an anti-theist


Nonsense.

"No man is my King. Only God."

Two words too long.
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Postby CTALNH » Mon Sep 02, 2013 1:57 am

Jamessonia wrote:
CTALNH wrote:If I met a god I would kill him.

But wouldn't that be impossible? If that was possible would he be a god?

jesus died.
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Postby Ponylandes » Mon Sep 02, 2013 1:59 am

I believe Anti-Theists are just as ignorant as fundamental Christians. People can believe in what they want to believe in, as long as it makes them happy and does not hurt anyone.
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Postby Aurora Novus » Mon Sep 02, 2013 2:01 am

Ponylandes wrote:I believe Anti-Theists are just as ignorant as fundamental Christians.


Yes, because disagreeing with something and opposing it based on rational premises and evaluations of harm is completely the same as believing in something dogmatically because someone in authority has decreed it.

Completely.
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Postby CTALNH » Mon Sep 02, 2013 2:17 am

Ponylandes wrote:I believe Anti-Theists are just as ignorant as fundamental Christians. People can believe in what they want to believe in, as long as it makes them happy and does not hurt anyone.

Nah we are just self conscious assholes.

Contrary to the hypocritical assholes.
"This guy is a State socialist, which doesn't so much mean mass murder and totalitarianism as it means trying to have a strong state to lead the way out of poverty and towards a bright future. Strict state control of the economy is necessary to make the great leap forward into that brighter future, and all elements of society must be sure to contribute or else."
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