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Should we be trading with communists?

Yes
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Yes but not often
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No
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No but in certain cases yes (as so)
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2%
Nuke them all
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11%
Other (explain)
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Postby Luveria » Thu Aug 29, 2013 4:58 pm

Saint Kitten wrote:China along with several other countries are Communistic. The major (if only) country we trade often with is China.
My question is, why are we trading with them? After WWII we, along with the other allied nations, try to stop communism and help form more Capitalistic countries. Do you agree that we should technically be trading with them, or do you support it, or is it unrealiliatic to stop? Questions, comments, concerns and prayers all welcome here :)

My vote is "no but in certain cases yes"

Have you read any of those wiki links?
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Postby Saint Kitten » Thu Aug 29, 2013 4:58 pm

Astograth wrote:If you'd bothered to read the very first line of your third link, you'd have already realised there are, in fact, no communist countries in the world.


Check the wiki map at the bottom
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Postby Blasveck » Thu Aug 29, 2013 4:58 pm

Saint Kitten wrote:
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Explain to me how China is communist.

Why, for example, does the State still exist in "communist" China?


It's china referred to as "communists china"?
And I'm not sure what you mean in the second sentence.


It's actually the "People's Republic of China" if I'm not mistaken.

I'm asking how China is communist.

I want you to explain actual communist ideology, and show how China follows that.
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Postby Llamalandia » Thu Aug 29, 2013 4:59 pm

Blasveck wrote:
Saint Kitten wrote:
Along with serval sites supporting that


Explain to me how China is communist.

Why, for example, does the State still exist in "communist" China?


Because communism in practice does not equally pure communism in theory.

Practical communism is the standard here not a perfrect adherence to the ideas of marx or are you going to tell me the soviet union weren't commies either.

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Postby Resora » Thu Aug 29, 2013 4:59 pm

Saint Kitten wrote:
Blasveck wrote:
Explain to me how China is communist.

Why, for example, does the State still exist in "communist" China?


It's china referred to as "communists china"?
And I'm not sure what you mean in the second sentence.

I'm pretty sure it's referred to as the People's Republic of China.
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Postby Engana » Thu Aug 29, 2013 4:59 pm

Gauthier wrote:China is communist like Taco Bell is Mexican cuisine.

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Postby Luveria » Thu Aug 29, 2013 5:00 pm

Blasveck wrote:
Saint Kitten wrote:
It's china referred to as "communists china"?
And I'm not sure what you mean in the second sentence.


It's actually the "People's Republic of China" if I'm not mistaken.

I'm asking how China is communist.

I want you to explain actual communist ideology, and show how China follows that.

Having a communist party in power doesn't make a country communist. If that were how the world works, then France would be socialist.

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Postby New 4chania » Thu Aug 29, 2013 5:00 pm

It's okay to trade with communist nations.We should treat them just like any other democratic nation.
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Postby Ainin » Thu Aug 29, 2013 5:00 pm

Llamalandia wrote:
Blasveck wrote:
Explain to me how China is communist.

Why, for example, does the State still exist in "communist" China?


Because communism in practice does not equally pure communism in theory.

Practical communism is the standard here not a perfrect adherence to the ideas of marx or are you going to tell me the soviet union weren't commies either.

The Soviet Union weren't commies either.
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Postby Saint Kitten » Thu Aug 29, 2013 5:00 pm

Blasveck wrote:
Saint Kitten wrote:
It's china referred to as "communists china"?
And I'm not sure what you mean in the second sentence.


It's actually the "People's Republic of China" if I'm not mistaken.

I'm asking how China is communist.

I want you to explain actual communist ideology, and show how China follows that.


Well, considering one of their parties is Communist Party of China anyone can figure out that communism has support in china.
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Postby Astograth » Thu Aug 29, 2013 5:01 pm

Llamalandia wrote:
Saint Kitten wrote:China along with several other countries are Communistic. The major (if only) country we trade often with is China.
My question is, why are we trading with them? After WWII we, along with the other allied nations, try to stop communism and help form more Capitalistic countries. Do you agree that we should technically be trading with them, or do you support it, or is it unrealiliatic to stop? Questions, comments, concerns and prayers all welcome here :)

My vote is "no but in certain cases yes"


Um actually i believe to some extent we trade with them to encourage further shifts toward capitalism. Basically it's rewarding them for past reform and encouraging continued progress. OF course I believe will still oppose their formal entry into the wto so you know it's not like we are entirely happy with the situation over there. :) :)

The USA trades with China because it's cheaper to make almost anything there, not to humour them and say "good boy!" like one would with a dog - which would imply there isn't a severe case of dependence. And China is already part of the WTO.

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Postby Luveria » Thu Aug 29, 2013 5:01 pm

Llamalandia wrote:
Blasveck wrote:
Explain to me how China is communist.

Why, for example, does the State still exist in "communist" China?


Because communism in practice does not equally pure communism in theory.

Practical communism is the standard here not a perfrect adherence to the ideas of marx or are you going to tell me the soviet union weren't commies either.

The Bolsheviks were communists. That doesn't mean the USSR was communist.

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Postby Resora » Thu Aug 29, 2013 5:01 pm

Llamalandia wrote:
Blasveck wrote:
Explain to me how China is communist.

Why, for example, does the State still exist in "communist" China?


Because communism in practice does not equally pure communism in theory.

Practical communism is the standard here not a perfrect adherence to the ideas of marx or are you going to tell me the soviet union weren't commies either.

The Soviets didn't even claim to have achieved communism.
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Postby Divair » Thu Aug 29, 2013 5:01 pm

Saint Kitten wrote:
Blasveck wrote:
It's actually the "People's Republic of China" if I'm not mistaken.

I'm asking how China is communist.

I want you to explain actual communist ideology, and show how China follows that.


Well, considering one of their parties is Communist Party of China anyone can figure out that communism has support in china.

Names mean nothing.

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Postby Euroslavia » Thu Aug 29, 2013 5:01 pm

Saint Kitten wrote:
Blasveck wrote:
It's actually the "People's Republic of China" if I'm not mistaken.

I'm asking how China is communist.

I want you to explain actual communist ideology, and show how China follows that.


Well, considering one of their parties is Communist Party of China anyone can figure out that communism has support in china.

The USA has a Communist Party, that doesn't mean that we're Communist as well.
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Postby Blasveck » Thu Aug 29, 2013 5:01 pm

Llamalandia wrote:
Blasveck wrote:
Explain to me how China is communist.

Why, for example, does the State still exist in "communist" China?


Because communism in practice does not equally pure communism in theory.

Practical communism is the standard here not a perfrect adherence to the ideas of marx or are you going to tell me the soviet union weren't commies either.


The Soviet Union was state capitalist. Quit lying.
China is somewhere between state capitalist and state socialist.

It is not "communism in practice", unless you want to tell me what exactly is "communism in practice"
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Postby Cameroi » Thu Aug 29, 2013 5:01 pm

virtually every nation trading with and interdependent upon everyone else, is called reality. get over it.

(granted i don't do bussiness with walmart personally, so i can't claim complete innocence from taking ideology into consideration, but ideological prejudice only ascerbates cultural problems. it does nothing to solve them.)
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Postby Newzie » Thu Aug 29, 2013 5:01 pm

how do people still think china's communist





do people actually think this through or do they just look at the flag





surely as you were typing this, thinking about the USA trading with China and taking its corporations to China to make products to then be sold in the global free market, some little man in your head went 'hang on a sec'
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Postby Neo Arcad » Thu Aug 29, 2013 5:02 pm

Saint Kitten wrote:
Resora wrote:American education.


Along with serval sites supporting that


As inclined as I am to trust the wisdom of small sub-Saharan cats, I think they need to re-examine the difference between being Communist and pretending to be Communist.
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Postby The Serbian Empire » Thu Aug 29, 2013 5:02 pm

Resora wrote:
Blasveck wrote:
How in the hell are places like North Korea and China communist?

American education.

And the party name. There is a Communist Party running the whole show in China.
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Postby Saint Kitten » Thu Aug 29, 2013 5:02 pm

Ainin wrote:
Llamalandia wrote:
Because communism in practice does not equally pure communism in theory.

Practical communism is the standard here not a perfrect adherence to the ideas of marx or are you going to tell me the soviet union weren't commies either.

The Soviet Union weren't commies either.


Actually yes, yes they were
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Postby Llamalandia » Thu Aug 29, 2013 5:02 pm

Euroslavia wrote:
Saint Kitten wrote:
Well, considering one of their parties is Communist Party of China anyone can figure out that communism has support in china.

The USA has a Communist Party, that doesn't mean that we're Communist as well.


Yeah difference is you don't have to be a member of that party to hold high elected office. In china only communist party members are allowed to run for government offices.

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Postby Luveria » Thu Aug 29, 2013 5:03 pm

Saint Kitten wrote:
Ainin wrote:The Soviet Union weren't commies either.


Actually yes, yes they were


Have you read that link?

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Postby Ainin » Thu Aug 29, 2013 5:03 pm

Saint Kitten wrote:
Ainin wrote:The Soviet Union weren't commies either.


Actually yes, yes they were

"Communism (from Latin communis – common, universal) is a revolutionary socialist movement to create a classless, moneyless[1][2] and stateless social order structured upon common ownership of the means of production, as well as a social, political and economic ideology that aims at the establishment of this social order"

Please tell me the Soviet Union was this.
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Postby Astograth » Thu Aug 29, 2013 5:03 pm

Saint Kitten wrote:
Ainin wrote:The Soviet Union weren't commies either.


Actually yes, yes they were

"Communism (from Latin communis – common, universal) is a revolutionary socialist movement to create a CLASSLESS, MONEYLESS and STATELESS SOCIAL ORDER structured upon common ownership of the means of production..."

Emphasis mine. Do you see something that doesn't fit somewhere?

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