The Mac Donald's Strike

[Llamalandia]

Important here to please and you assume the point was valid. It wasn't. I figured that he'd go the "capitalist have all the power" route. The degree of negotiating authority is irrelevant. The fact is that someone who overvalues their labor shouldn't expect government coercion to force the imaginary existence of it.

And somebody who undervalues another person's labor should have to be forced to recognize its proper value.

How were the points not valid? It's a question you've been keep ignoring, and you've done little more than to make condescending posts with an air of a feeling of superiority.

Do you really think that alone, the worker has more bargaining power than the person who employs him? The degree of negotiating authority is certainly not irrelevant. Is only the price the capitalist will pay for someone's labor valid? Or is this all based on your the value you place on labor personally?

How is government coercion any different from capitalist coercion?

If a minimum wage is created, the value of the labor isn't imaginary. The lowest value becomes that of the minimum wage.

Indeed.

No but i was never suggesting we abolish minimum wage law , 1. I merely offering a counter point that minimum wage in the usa isn't a "living wage". 2. I mean as I pointed out our minmum wage levels is several times greater than the what the world authorities define as the bare minimum of survival.
3. But additionally the poverty line in the u as of 2013 hhs guidelines is $11,490 per person. a fulltime minimum wage employe makes about 15k a year assuming a 40 hour work week. that means that minimum wage puts a person at about 130% of the poverty line.

1. I never said it was a living wage. In fact, I'm arguing quite the opposite.

2. However, the amount you posted is well below the bare minimum for survival her in the US.

3. Most people don't work fulltime. All your fast food workers, Walmart employees, and the like work PART TIME. So they actually end up making LESS than $11.49K a year.

EDIT: To say nothing of the fact that $11.49K a year is a gross underestimation of the cost of living. I mean $11.49K is less than $1000 a month. Sure, one person might barely be able to get by on it (and only just barely), but any more and you and your family are fucked.

[spoiler]

Wait isn't this the argument for tipping, I mean maybe it's time to extend the practice to fast food. I mean that way those who do "get it right" and provides fast courtesy and competent services can be rewarded and those that screw it up "3/4 of the time" don't. Seems like a performance incentive. I guess the tip would have to be like 80-120% but hey maybe it be worth it if the service really was that greatly improved. :)

Only problem is, they'd then see their wages cut (just like waiters have), because employers make the justification that "they can get most of their money from tips". But since tips are optional, and the whole model of fast food is order, pay, then scram with your grub, digging out your phone to get the tip calculator app up, then digging out the appropriate amount for a tip will only complicate things, and lengthen lines at the drive thru and counters (which can already be quite long). The chains would see loss of business.

[/spoiler]

1. I know you asserted that it wasn't a "living wage" and I'm suggesting that the current minimum wage is in fact a "living wage" not sure where the confusion came from here.

2.Which amount If you mean 1.25 a day yeah that's probably about true, but even making adjustments for ppp I'm sure that 7.50 an hour for an 8 hr day (48x that amount) is a sufficient amount (at least potentially). IF we're talking survival then this is urely plenty sufficient, I mean heck if you work at a fast food place you have cheap access to food right there.

3. Well yeah and that's why mcdonalds in it's much derided sample budget suggests a second job to make up for any shortfall. I mean if youre not working fulltime I don't see why you should be expecting that youre going to be making enough money to support yourself.

4. Calculating a tip really isn't that difficult. I mean especially if were talking about large easy percentages like 100% for example that would be he easiest and accomplish about the same thing. Also i don't think most people worry about tip calculation down to the penny as long as youre accurate in the dollar amount you should be good. I really don't see it as being as problematic as you think, imean there's usually a few minutes wait time anyway between placing the order and picking up the food, maybe in the drive thru it would be an issue but heck with lcd screens they use now they could post a suggested tip to save time.

[New England and The Maritimes]

Thus raising unemployment to massive numbers, and killing economic growth.

Economic growth doesn't hinge on the existence of human labor in the market. Have you forgotten about the automotive industry? It thrives without human labor. In fact, it grew to unprecedented heights the more autonomous the industry grew.

Yet the value it contributed to society fell exponentially. Michigan and Ohio stopped being thriving service markets a long time ago regardless of profit numbers posted, because the human labor component shrank and the amount of value going back into communities from this work dropped off a cliff. In that sense, the "growth" was meaningless. It made a negligible contribution while society became worse off.

[Neu California]

After reading this thread, I'm surprised no one has posted about In-N-Out's extremely high pay for a fast food chain in regards to the effect of salary. To quote an article:

In-And-Out Burger prides itself on being a better fast food chain.

Employees start at a higher-than-average salary and even have the opportunity to advance to make $120,000, according to a recent report from the Orange County Register.

The median pay for food service managers across restaurants nationwide is about $48,000 per year.

The company's benefits, which include vision, medical, and dental for part and full-time associates, are "almost unheard-of in fast food," a line cook revealed in a recent Reddit Ask Me Anything. [NOTE: While the source was verified by moderators on Reddit, Business Insider can't independently confirm his identity.]

The man said he started out at $10 an hour but quickly moved his way up to $12.50 and will get another raise soon.

But he said he had his eye on a more prestigious management position with a big pay-out.

"Assistant managers make between $40,000 and $70,000," he said. "You don't need a degree or previous management experience."

But the employee warned that everyone starts at the bottom of the hierarchy.

"You don't start out cooking burgers actually you start at the bottom with a towel in your hand wiping down tables before you can even cook a burger," he said.


Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/in-and-o ... z2eHcbPrQ8

Yep. Considering that they generally have around eight people just cooking burgers, never mind all the people running around doing other things, and generally when I go to one the drive-thru line extends out of the parking lot, I'd say their pay model isn't adversely affecting their bottom line (it helps that their food is damn good, and I can get a double cheeseburger and a large drink for $5.40). So why doesn't McDonald's satisfy their workers' demands by becoming more like In-N-Out?

[Gauthier]

After reading this thread, I'm surprised no one has posted about In-N-Out's extremely high pay for a fast food chain in regards to the effect of salary. To quote an article:

In-And-Out Burger prides itself on being a better fast food chain.

Employees start at a higher-than-average salary and even have the opportunity to advance to make $120,000, according to a recent report from the Orange County Register.

The median pay for food service managers across restaurants nationwide is about $48,000 per year.

The company's benefits, which include vision, medical, and dental for part and full-time associates, are "almost unheard-of in fast food," a line cook revealed in a recent Reddit Ask Me Anything. [NOTE: While the source was verified by moderators on Reddit, Business Insider can't independently confirm his identity.]

The man said he started out at $10 an hour but quickly moved his way up to $12.50 and will get another raise soon.

But he said he had his eye on a more prestigious management position with a big pay-out.

"Assistant managers make between $40,000 and $70,000," he said. "You don't need a degree or previous management experience."

But the employee warned that everyone starts at the bottom of the hierarchy.

"You don't start out cooking burgers actually you start at the bottom with a towel in your hand wiping down tables before you can even cook a burger," he said.


Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/in-and-o ... z2eHcbPrQ8

Yep. Considering that they generally have around eight people just cooking burgers, never mind all the people running around doing other things, and generally when I go to one the drive-thru line extends out of the parking lot, I'd say their pay model isn't adversely affecting their bottom line (it helps that their food is damn good, and I can get a double cheeseburger and a large drink for $5.40). So why doesn't McDonald's satisfy their workers' demands by becoming more like In-N-Out?

In-and-out b4 someone declares that In-and-Out pays its employees too much and will declare bankruptcy, just like Costco.

[European Socialist Republic]

After reading this thread, I'm surprised no one has posted about In-N-Out's extremely high pay for a fast food chain in regards to the effect of salary. To quote an article:



Yep. Considering that they generally have around eight people just cooking burgers, never mind all the people running around doing other things, and generally when I go to one the drive-thru line extends out of the parking lot, I'd say their pay model isn't adversely affecting their bottom line (it helps that their food is damn good, and I can get a double cheeseburger and a large drink for $5.40). So why doesn't McDonald's satisfy their workers' demands by becoming more like In-N-Out?

In-and-out b4 someone declares that In-and-Out pays its employees too much and will declare bankruptcy, just like Costco.

You shouldn't be afraid of the Big Bad Hippo.

[Grenartia]

Thus raising unemployment to massive numbers, and killing economic growth.

Economic growth doesn't hinge on the existence of human labor in the market. Have you forgotten about the automotive industry? It thrives without human labor. In fact, it grew to unprecedented heights the more autonomous the industry grew.

Ah, but without enough people working and earning pay to spend and stimulate the economy, you don't get economic growth.

1. I know you asserted that it wasn't a "living wage" and I'm suggesting that the current minimum wage is in fact a "living wage" not sure where the confusion came from here.

2.Which amount If you mean 1.25 a day yeah that's probably about true, but even making adjustments for ppp I'm sure that 7.50 an hour for an 8 hr day (48x that amount) is a sufficient amount (at least potentially). IF we're talking survival then this is urely plenty sufficient, I mean heck if you work at a fast food place you have cheap access to food right there.

3. Well yeah and that's why mcdonalds in it's much derided sample budget suggests a second job to make up for any shortfall. I mean if youre not working fulltime I don't see why you should be expecting that youre going to be making enough money to support yourself.

4. Calculating a tip really isn't that difficult. 5. I mean especially if were talking about large easy percentages like 100% for example that would be he easiest and accomplish about the same thing. 6. Also i don't think most people worry about tip calculation down to the penny as long as youre accurate in the dollar amount you should be good. 7. I really don't see it as being as problematic as you think, imean there's usually a few minutes wait time anyway between placing the order and picking up the food, maybe in the drive thru it would be an issue but heck with lcd screens they use now they could post a suggested tip to save time.

1. It can't be a "living wage" if you can't live off of it.

2. I was actually referring to $1.25, but $7.50 is still only the bare minimum for survival, for one person. Not to mention that when you work part time you work for LESS than 40hr/week.

3. You shouldn't HAVE to work a second job just to make ends meet. Especially when you have a fucking family and/or are attending college. And is it so fucking unreasonable to expect that when you put in a day's work at one job, EVEN if it is part time, you should be able to make ends meet?

4. Calculate an 18% tip for $9.67 right now. In your head, without a calculator. And time yourself.

5. 100%? Good, even MORE justification for DRASTIC wage cuts.

6. What about when the tip is less than a dollar? Do you just drive off?

7. Granted. Still, my other points stand.

[Divair]

After reading this thread, I'm surprised no one has posted about In-N-Out's extremely high pay for a fast food chain in regards to the effect of salary. To quote an article:

In-And-Out Burger prides itself on being a better fast food chain.

Employees start at a higher-than-average salary and even have the opportunity to advance to make $120,000, according to a recent report from the Orange County Register.

The median pay for food service managers across restaurants nationwide is about $48,000 per year.

The company's benefits, which include vision, medical, and dental for part and full-time associates, are "almost unheard-of in fast food," a line cook revealed in a recent Reddit Ask Me Anything. [NOTE: While the source was verified by moderators on Reddit, Business Insider can't independently confirm his identity.]

The man said he started out at $10 an hour but quickly moved his way up to $12.50 and will get another raise soon.

But he said he had his eye on a more prestigious management position with a big pay-out.

"Assistant managers make between $40,000 and $70,000," he said. "You don't need a degree or previous management experience."

But the employee warned that everyone starts at the bottom of the hierarchy.

"You don't start out cooking burgers actually you start at the bottom with a towel in your hand wiping down tables before you can even cook a burger," he said.


Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/in-and-o ... z2eHcbPrQ8

Yep. Considering that they generally have around eight people just cooking burgers, never mind all the people running around doing other things, and generally when I go to one the drive-thru line extends out of the parking lot, I'd say their pay model isn't adversely affecting their bottom line (it helps that their food is damn good, and I can get a double cheeseburger and a large drink for $5.40). So why doesn't McDonald's satisfy their workers' demands by becoming more like In-N-Out?

Well, I know who I'm buying fast food from now.

[Grenartia]

After reading this thread, I'm surprised no one has posted about In-N-Out's extremely high pay for a fast food chain in regards to the effect of salary. To quote an article:

In-And-Out Burger prides itself on being a better fast food chain.

Employees start at a higher-than-average salary and even have the opportunity to advance to make $120,000, according to a recent report from the Orange County Register.

The median pay for food service managers across restaurants nationwide is about $48,000 per year.

The company's benefits, which include vision, medical, and dental for part and full-time associates, are "almost unheard-of in fast food," a line cook revealed in a recent Reddit Ask Me Anything. [NOTE: While the source was verified by moderators on Reddit, Business Insider can't independently confirm his identity.]

The man said he started out at $10 an hour but quickly moved his way up to $12.50 and will get another raise soon.

But he said he had his eye on a more prestigious management position with a big pay-out.

"Assistant managers make between $40,000 and $70,000," he said. "You don't need a degree or previous management experience."

But the employee warned that everyone starts at the bottom of the hierarchy.

"You don't start out cooking burgers actually you start at the bottom with a towel in your hand wiping down tables before you can even cook a burger," he said.


Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/in-and-o ... z2eHcbPrQ8

Yep. Considering that they generally have around eight people just cooking burgers, never mind all the people running around doing other things, and generally when I go to one the drive-thru line extends out of the parking lot, I'd say their pay model isn't adversely affecting their bottom line (it helps that their food is damn good, and I can get a double cheeseburger and a large drink for $5.40). So why doesn't McDonald's satisfy their workers' demands by becoming more like In-N-Out?

Sounds like the fast food version of Costco. Why can't both of them move their shit out to the rest of the country?

After reading this thread, I'm surprised no one has posted about In-N-Out's extremely high pay for a fast food chain in regards to the effect of salary. To quote an article:



Yep. Considering that they generally have around eight people just cooking burgers, never mind all the people running around doing other things, and generally when I go to one the drive-thru line extends out of the parking lot, I'd say their pay model isn't adversely affecting their bottom line (it helps that their food is damn good, and I can get a double cheeseburger and a large drink for $5.40). So why doesn't McDonald's satisfy their workers' demands by becoming more like In-N-Out?

Well, I know who I'm buying fast food from now.

Too bad they don't exist anywhere in the South, at least that I've seen.

[Fireye]

That's no excuse, and it CERTAINLY doesn't justify $15.00/hr wages.

Just because I'm not buying at a top-fucking-shelf steakhouse is no excuse for my order, which was clearly stated and clearly repeated back to me, and clearly written on both the receipt I was given at the register and the receipt I was given with the food, to be completely and utterly not what I actually paid money for.

Example:
Ordered: plain cheeseburger.
Received: Chicken Sandwich with Mayonnaise, Ketchup, pickle and God knows what else.

While this is the most extreme example that has personally happened to me, when I order a burger with Bread, meat and cheese only, I should get Bread, Meat and Cheese ONLY. No matter WHERE I order it from. The fact that there are several restaurants that have blown their third chances (no one's perfect, and I'll forgive the first time, overlook the second and on the third time, I WILL stop going to that location.)

As Gauthier so humorously pointed out:

If I got paid $15.00/hr I'd make every single cheeseburger into a goddamn filet mignon.

Perhaps, if these employees were making a living fucking wage, they'd have more incentive to get your order right.

Bullshit.

Pure, unadulterated Bullshit.

Work ethic doesn't flow from how much you're making. Anyone who says otherwise is kidding themselves.

Al that will happen is that they'll be paid twice as much to fuck up my order. Gauthier's post is funny, but has no bearing on anything.

[Grenartia]

As Gauthier so humorously pointed out:



Perhaps, if these employees were making a living fucking wage, they'd have more incentive to get your order right.

Bullshit.

Pure, unadulterated Bullshit.

Work ethic doesn't flow from how much you're making. Anyone who says otherwise is kidding themselves.

Al that will happen is that they'll be paid twice as much to fuck up my order. Gauthier's post is funny, but has no bearing on anything.

Source.

[Distruzio]

Economic growth doesn't hinge on the existence of human labor in the market. Have you forgotten about the automotive industry? It thrives without human labor. In fact, it grew to unprecedented heights the more autonomous the industry grew.

Yet the value it contributed to society fell exponentially. Michigan and Ohio stopped being thriving service markets a long time ago regardless of profit numbers posted, because the human labor component shrank and the amount of value going back into communities from this work dropped off a cliff. In that sense, the "growth" was meaningless. It made a negligible contribution while society became worse off.

Nonsense. Society prospered as Michigan and Ohio were bypassed in favor of better auto manufacturers. Better constituting fewer unions, higher automation, better quality, etc etc. While that particular industry in Michigan and Ohio (and the people associated with them) suffered, society itself prospered.

[Distruzio]

When they fuck up my plain cheeseburger 3/4 times, sure as fuck not $15.00/hr.

If I got paid $15.00/hr I'd make every single cheeseburger into a goddamn filet mignon.

I don't know about that. Where I work, most of the people earn more than $20/hr and many of them complain that they aren't paid enough. Earning so high a wage makes them feel entitled to a higher wage.

[Grenartia]

Yet the value it contributed to society fell exponentially. Michigan and Ohio stopped being thriving service markets a long time ago regardless of profit numbers posted, because the human labor component shrank and the amount of value going back into communities from this work dropped off a cliff. In that sense, the "growth" was meaningless. It made a negligible contribution while society became worse off.

Nonsense. Society prospered as Michigan and Ohio were bypassed in favor of better auto manufacturers. Better constituting fewer unions, higher automation, better quality, etc etc. While that particular industry in Michigan and Ohio (and the people associated with them) suffered, society itself prospered.

Because unions obviously can't be a good thing, and the loss of incomes for people in the Rust Belt was totally a good thing, and anybody who says otherwise is lying.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

After reading this thread, I'm surprised no one has posted about In-N-Out's extremely high pay for a fast food chain in regards to the effect of salary. To quote an article:



Yep. Considering that they generally have around eight people just cooking burgers, never mind all the people running around doing other things, and generally when I go to one the drive-thru line extends out of the parking lot, I'd say their pay model isn't adversely affecting their bottom line (it helps that their food is damn good, and I can get a double cheeseburger and a large drink for $5.40). So why doesn't McDonald's satisfy their workers' demands by becoming more like In-N-Out?

Well, I know who I'm buying fast food from now.

That chain is a regional treasure. They even have a secret menu, albeit one that everyone and their grandmother knows about.

[Grenartia]

Well, I know who I'm buying fast food from now.

That chain is a regional treasure. They even have a secret menu, albeit one that everyone and their grandmother knows about.

WHY can't they be national?

[Distruzio]

Nonsense. Society prospered as Michigan and Ohio were bypassed in favor of better auto manufacturers. Better constituting fewer unions, higher automation, better quality, etc etc. While that particular industry in Michigan and Ohio (and the people associated with them) suffered, society itself prospered.

Because unions obviously can't be a good thing, and the loss of incomes for people in the Rust Belt was totally a good thing, and anybody who says otherwise is lying.

Lying? No. Guilty of exaggerating, misspeaking, and basically incorrect? Yes.

One loses income when one fails to diversify ones skill set appropriately.

Unions can be beneficial but only so long as they restrain themselves. In the case of American auto manufacturers they did not restrain themselves.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

That chain is a regional treasure. They even have a secret menu, albeit one that everyone and their grandmother knows about.

WHY can't they be national?

They expand slowly so as not to sacrifice quality of food and service.

[Grenartia]

Because unions obviously can't be a good thing, and the loss of incomes for people in the Rust Belt was totally a good thing, and anybody who says otherwise is lying.

1. Lying? No. Guilty of exaggerating, misspeaking, and basically incorrect? Yes.

2. One loses income when one fails to diversify ones skill set appropriately.

3. Unions can be beneficial but only so long as they restrain themselves. In the case of American auto manufacturers they did not restrain themselves.

1. I can say the same about anti-union people.

2. So everybody should be a Renaissance person who has a PhD in every subject known to man, and 7 known only to dolphins, was captain of their HS football team, made an album that went quintuple platinum when they were 3, and wrote a best selling novel at 17?

3. Restrain themselves from what? And for what purpose?

[Grenartia]

WHY can't they be national?

They expand slowly so as not to sacrifice quality of food and service.

I can understand that...

I just fucking wish they could move to somewhere in the South, so I can make a living while I try to further my education.

[Distruzio]

1. Lying? No. Guilty of exaggerating, misspeaking, and basically incorrect? Yes.

2. One loses income when one fails to diversify ones skill set appropriately.

3. Unions can be beneficial but only so long as they restrain themselves. In the case of American auto manufacturers they did not restrain themselves.

1. I can say the same about anti-union people.

Absolutely true. But I wasn't talking about 'people'. I was talking about the post I responded to.

2. So everybody should be a Renaissance person who has a PhD in every subject known to man, and 7 known only to dolphins, was captain of their HS football team, made an album that went quintuple platinum when they were 3, and wrote a best selling novel at 17?

Not that far, of course. You're intentionally speaking ridiculously as though it, somehow, undermines my statement. My statement clearly implies that, perhaps, if a person fears falling into the trap of Michigan and Ohio automotive manufacturing employees, perhaps they learn alternative trades? For instance, I've been working in logistics for 12 years now. Since I graduated high-school. I learned auto-motive repair and customization, welding, and went to school for political and economic philosophy. I'd say that I'm, generally speaking, an articulate enough writer as well.

Were logistical distribution to go fully automated I could, feasibly, move into other areas. I'm only 30.

And let us not forget experiences made available through logistical distribution either. Working on powered forklifts, driving them, spreadsheets, route planning, management, emergency health response, hazardous material handling and response, etc etc.

Now, of course, I am NOT saying that every individual need be a renaissance man. I'm saying that learning additional skills will help to ameliorate any possible financial hardships you might have and that appeals to emotion (like the one you made) are, relatively, marginalized by this observation.

3. Restrain themselves from what? And for what purpose?

That would depend entirely upon the specific industry and specific employer affected, of course. Demanding an increased wage at the expense of corporate profitability is ridiculous. Demanding justifiably considerate working conditions (such as access to bathrooms, multiple break times, equitable working conditions, safer working conditions, etc etc) is perfectly acceptable.

I'm not offering you a one size fits all response here. I'm not at all suggesting anything similar to a laissez faire, "fuck the minimum wage," response. I've, clearly, spoken solemnly and directly about the subject at hand.

[Grenartia]

1. I can say the same about anti-union people.

1. Absolutely true. But I wasn't talking about 'people'. I was talking about the post I responded to.

2. So everybody should be a Renaissance person who has a PhD in every subject known to man, and 7 known only to dolphins, was captain of their HS football team, made an album that went quintuple platinum when they were 3, and wrote a best selling novel at 17?

2A. Not that far, of course. 2B. You're intentionally speaking ridiculously as though it, somehow, undermines my statement. 2C. My statement clearly implies that, perhaps, if a person fears falling into the trap of Michigan and Ohio automotive manufacturing employees, perhaps they learn alternative trades? 2D. For instance, I've been working in logistics for 12 years now. Since I graduated high-school. I learned auto-motive repair and customization, welding, and went to school for political and economic philosophy. I'd say that I'm, generally speaking, an articulate enough writer as well.

Were logistical distribution to go fully automated I could, feasibly, move into other areas. I'm only 30.

2E. And let us not forget experiences made available through logistical distribution either. Working on powered forklifts, driving them, spreadsheets, route planning, management, emergency health response, hazardous material handling and response, etc etc.

2F. Now, of course, I am NOT saying that every individual need be a renaissance man. 2G. I'm saying that learning additional skills will help to ameliorate any possible financial hardships you might have and that appeals to emotion (like the one you made) are, relatively, marginalized by this observation.

3. Restrain themselves from what? And for what purpose?

3. That would depend entirely upon the specific industry and specific employer affected, of course. Demanding an increased wage at the expense of corporate profitability is ridiculous. 4. Demanding justifiably considerate working conditions (such as access to bathrooms, multiple break times, equitable working conditions, safer working conditions, etc etc) is perfectly acceptable.

5. I'm not offering you a one size fits all response here. I'm not at all suggesting anything similar to a laissez faire, "fuck the minimum wage," response. I've, clearly, spoken solemnly and directly about the subject at hand.

1. Granted.

2A. But going that far is the ONLY way anybody could possibly be immune from potential financial ruin without appropriate government safeguards (unemployment, living wage, etc.), short of everybody developing psychic powers to see into the future.

2B. Because it does.

2C. I'm aware of what your statement meant. However, the fact is, there's only so many trades a person can be reasonably expected to learn (and by that point, you're literally wasting time, money and effort in learning things you probably will never need to know). To say nothing of the fact that people shouldn't be penalized for failing to be able to see into the future. Back when my parents were in school, one could expect to do well with even a GED (my father got a GED, my mother a diploma). But now, that is obviously not the case, and because of circumstances out of their control, I have missed opportunities for success. And I for one, refuse to be the next link in the chain. I mean, based on that pattern, not even a PhD in my desired fields of study (which are currently highly lucrative) would guarantee financial stability for myself and any future family of mine. And I REFUSE to let that happen. NOBODY should be put at a disadvantage because of circumstances out of their control.

2D. And not everybody can do that, to say nothing of the fact that doing that level of diversification isn't economical.

2E. Not every field has that level of opportunity.

2F. No, but it is the logical conclusion of what you ARE saying, if the pattern continues.

2G. Only two problems. You can't foresee which skills you'd need to hone, and which you wouldn't, and even if you could, without being lucky (and that's all it really depends on) enough to know the right people to teach you for free or cheaply, learning certain skills (especially key ones) can be uneconomical. And nobody should be penalized for not being clairvoyant, and not being lucky.

3. Except, all too often, employers just use that as an excuse to keep from having to take money they don't need out of their money baths. I recall my US Gov and Econ teacher last year telling us about how Papa John's said they'd have to hike their prices up by $1 to keep up with Obamacare, when in reality, they'd only have to raise it by $0.25 to maintain the same level of profit. Which is fucking bullshit. To say nothing of the fact that if a company really valued the labor of its workers, it should at least have the common fucking decency to pay them a living fucking wage.

4. But heaven forbid they demand a wage they can support a family on.

5. But you are saying "fuck living wage".

[Gauthier]

If I got paid $15.00/hr I'd make every single cheeseburger into a goddamn filet mignon.

I don't know about that. Where I work, most of the people earn more than $20/hr and many of them complain that they aren't paid enough. Earning so high a wage makes them feel entitled to a higher wage.

Well that explains CEOs.

[The Corparation]

They expand slowly so as not to sacrifice quality of food and service.

I can understand that...

I just fucking wish they could move to somewhere in the South, so I can make a living while I try to further my education.

Up until quite recently every single location was within a days drive of their Head Quarters. That changed when they expanded into Texas. One important thing to keep in mind is that it doesn't franchise, and every new location has to be within a days drive of a distribution center. To expand into more regions they need to build a lot more distribution centers, and unlike other fast food places, they don't franchise so every new location has to be paid for by the company. Put together and it makes it a lot harder and slower for the chain to expand compared to other chains that franchise.

[Grenartia]

I can understand that...

I just fucking wish they could move to somewhere in the South, so I can make a living while I try to further my education.

Up until quite recently every single location was within a days drive of their Head Quarters. That changed when they expanded into Texas. One important thing to keep in mind is that it doesn't franchise, and every new location has to be within a days drive of a distribution center. To expand into more regions they need to build a lot more distribution centers, and unlike other fast food places, they don't franchise so every new location has to be paid for by the company. Put together and it makes it a lot harder and slower for the chain to expand compared to other chains that franchise.

True.

[Divair]

That chain is a regional treasure. They even have a secret menu, albeit one that everyone and their grandmother knows about.

WHY can't they be national?

I was wondering that.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02/2 ... 59920.html

They actually have pretty good reasons.