And America used to offer free college educations. Imagine that.
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by Katganistan » Mon Sep 09, 2013 9:34 pm
by Katganistan » Mon Sep 09, 2013 9:37 pm
by Katganistan » Mon Sep 09, 2013 9:38 pm
by Katganistan » Mon Sep 09, 2013 9:44 pm
Albion Rhodesia wrote:Ontorisa wrote:They should move to Canada.
Minimum wage here is $10.00.
I would know.
I worked there all summer making 80 dollars a day.
Considering that everything up in Canada is taxed, they may as well pay you a $100.00 an hour as minimum wage, as your socialized medicine will suck up a majority of your money, along with your crazy high state and federal tax you pay on all products purchased.
by Gauthier » Mon Sep 09, 2013 9:46 pm
Grantica wrote:Ha, if they can get it, I guess good for them. Otherwise, their work isn't worth that much.
Actually, the whole thing is absurd. Do they want to be replaced by robots?
http://news.cnet.com/mcdonalds-hires-70 ... 732-1.html
Oh wait, MickeyD's is already headed that route in Europe.
When robots become cheaper than demanding low-level employees... Why hire low-level employees?
by Immoren » Mon Sep 09, 2013 9:47 pm
Katganistan wrote:Saint Kitten wrote:
15 is a lot for just handing out burgers (no offense, have to do what you have to do), I guess if you work there a while a pay raise should be a question but 15 is kinda high
Sure.
And risk horrible burns at the french fry station...
And take shite from customers....
And stink of fried foods
and having to deal with complicated orders and people who change their minds....
It's just a WONDERFUL job. So easy....
Did I mention I knew a manager who got murdered by robbers in a McDonalds? No?
Yeah. It's just handing out burgers.
discoursedrome wrote:everyone knows that quote, "I know not what weapons World War Three will be fought, but World War Four will be fought with sticks and stones," but in a way it's optimistic and inspiring because it suggests that even after destroying civilization and returning to the stone age we'll still be sufficiently globalized and bellicose to have another world war right then and there
by Unidox » Mon Sep 09, 2013 9:51 pm
Caninope wrote:It's NSG. The 20th Circle of LIMBO!
Buffett and Colbert wrote:Always here to ruin the day. 8)
Living Freedom Land wrote:Oh, so now you want gay people to take part in the sacred institution of tax rebates too? You liberals sicken me.
Lacadaemon wrote:I mean, hell, in a properly regulated market, pension stripping schemes like Zynga wouldn't ever have a sniff of an IPO (see Groupon). But it's all wild westy now. Lie down with dogs and so forth.
by Katganistan » Mon Sep 09, 2013 9:54 pm
by Unidox » Mon Sep 09, 2013 9:58 pm
Gauthier wrote:Grantica wrote:Ha, if they can get it, I guess good for them. Otherwise, their work isn't worth that much.
Actually, the whole thing is absurd. Do they want to be replaced by robots?
http://news.cnet.com/mcdonalds-hires-70 ... 732-1.html
Oh wait, MickeyD's is already headed that route in Europe.
When robots become cheaper than demanding low-level employees... Why hire low-level employees?
Are they going to have robots serve the orders, clean the restaurant and take drive-through orders as well?
Fast food is inherently personal service oriented.
Caninope wrote:It's NSG. The 20th Circle of LIMBO!
Buffett and Colbert wrote:Always here to ruin the day. 8)
Living Freedom Land wrote:Oh, so now you want gay people to take part in the sacred institution of tax rebates too? You liberals sicken me.
Lacadaemon wrote:I mean, hell, in a properly regulated market, pension stripping schemes like Zynga wouldn't ever have a sniff of an IPO (see Groupon). But it's all wild westy now. Lie down with dogs and so forth.
by Blasveck » Mon Sep 09, 2013 9:58 pm
Unidox wrote:
We did, but that was ages ago... Well, Rice College was free up til mid 1990's. However, with some exception to the latter, it should be mentioned free admission was done through scholarships passed out to one gender, of certain backgrounds, and usually had connections.
Pretty, much it colleges stopped with free education circa the Vietnam War. Mostly due to money problems, but there is some question as to if it had to do with gender and race biases. About the same time corporations started to finance colleges too.
by Katganistan » Mon Sep 09, 2013 10:00 pm
by Gauthier » Mon Sep 09, 2013 10:05 pm
Unidox wrote:Gauthier wrote:
Are they going to have robots serve the orders, clean the restaurant and take drive-through orders as well?
Fast food is inherently personal service oriented.
Trust me they are more than just thinking of replacing workers with robots. Thing is bots can't handle the crazies. see link below
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0lkIVHASh_k
by Unidox » Mon Sep 09, 2013 10:07 pm
Blasveck wrote:Unidox wrote:We did, but that was ages ago... Well, Rice College was free up til mid 1990's. However, with some exception to the latter, it should be mentioned free admission was done through scholarships passed out to one gender, of certain backgrounds, and usually had connections.
Pretty, much it colleges stopped with free education circa the Vietnam War. Mostly due to money problems, but there is some question as to if it had to do with gender and race biases. About the same time corporations started to finance colleges too.
I don't know why you call it "free" though.
Your tax dollars go to pay for it.
Caninope wrote:It's NSG. The 20th Circle of LIMBO!
Buffett and Colbert wrote:Always here to ruin the day. 8)
Living Freedom Land wrote:Oh, so now you want gay people to take part in the sacred institution of tax rebates too? You liberals sicken me.
Lacadaemon wrote:I mean, hell, in a properly regulated market, pension stripping schemes like Zynga wouldn't ever have a sniff of an IPO (see Groupon). But it's all wild westy now. Lie down with dogs and so forth.
by Salandriagado » Tue Sep 10, 2013 6:11 am
Blasveck wrote:Unidox wrote:We did, but that was ages ago... Well, Rice College was free up til mid 1990's. However, with some exception to the latter, it should be mentioned free admission was done through scholarships passed out to one gender, of certain backgrounds, and usually had connections.
Pretty, much it colleges stopped with free education circa the Vietnam War. Mostly due to money problems, but there is some question as to if it had to do with gender and race biases. About the same time corporations started to finance colleges too.
I don't know why you call it "free" though.
Your tax dollars go to pay for it.
by Neo-Mlytoria » Tue Sep 10, 2013 7:27 am
by Enadail » Tue Sep 10, 2013 7:38 am
Neo-Mlytoria wrote:Completely replaceable McDonalds workers going on strike will not fix the deep-seated problems with the economic model and doctrines of their biggest worker and consumer base, the USA, or even those of the business itself. Those burger flippers will just get themselves fired and replaced by a new wave, unless McDonalds can be expected to be very generously slow about it and goes into a dangerous employment infrastructure shock-spiral due to this.
To quote a Metallica song: you know it's sad but true.
by Grenartia » Tue Sep 10, 2013 7:52 am
Llamalandia wrote:Grenartia wrote:
1. Again, most people who get minimum wage don't work full time.
2. I was and still am aware of what you were talking about. Also, telling somebody that if they can't live off of a part time job, they should take a full time one is like telling a starving child to eat more food. Its completely ignorant of the facts and reality of the situation. The simple fact is, the people who are wage slaves to companies like Walmart and McDonalds CAN'T get full time jobs, or else they would've already gotten them.
3A. You shouldn't have to work two jobs just to survive, if for no other reason than general principle. To say nothing of the fact that working two jobs arguably increases wear and tear on one's car and gas expenditures, as well as increasing stress.
3B. What about unplanned children? What about people who had steady, decent-paying jobs when they had kids, but then whose careers went down the toilet? Its not as fucking simple as you think it is.
3C. Exactly. But it was still fucking expensive to begin with.
4. Granted, but still. Without a "suggested tip" listing, or a tip percentage table, its going to hold up the process.
5. Problem is, not everybody tips, and when business is down, you don't get tips at all. Seeing as how without tips, waiters get about $2-3 an hour, I fail to see the benefit.
6. Gotcha.
1. again they should be working full time. I mean why are people suggesting increases in the minimum wage which are likely to further increase unemployment and probably move more people from fulltime to part time status?
2.yeah ok fair point about wear tear stress isuppose, but I mean what are the alternatives. I mean essentially your saying that people who work part time should be paid enough to live and people who work full time should be paid 2x that (im assuming a part time job to be about half a full time one). Why?
3A. General principle? Really i mean i fail to see that principle as being universally shared. also what is the justification of the principle other then your own sense of moral superiority here?
3B. Yeah, don't have unplanned kids (yeah i know rape happens sometimes but were talking in general here) I mean it's a choice at the end of the day.
3C. Yeah, but i'm guessing people found it at least doable to work and go to school at the same time even at minimum wage (doable by no means easy), besides isn't this the reason for scholarships and govt aid and loans?
4. Yeah like i said though keep it simple say like 100% that's about the simplest calculation you'll get. If you don't like the service then just don't tip. Round everything up, i mean it's just not that difficult, not saying it would slow things a little but really i've almost never waited in line myself for more than maybe 5 ten minutes tops at a fast food place (haven't eat at one for a while though i admit).
5. yeah, but i'm guessing genrally most people tip if they were happy with the service (unless they truly can't afford it, in which case they wouldn't have eaten at the place to begin with if the additional costs are factored into food prices. But yeah are there a few jerks in the world who jusst never tip sure, but i'm guessing given the huge volume these places do that actually tipping would work better here and average out to even greater degree then it does in formal dining.
by Grenartia » Tue Sep 10, 2013 7:54 am
by Xsyne » Tue Sep 10, 2013 7:54 am
Immoren wrote:Katganistan wrote:
Sure.
And risk horrible burns at the french fry station...
And take shite from customers....
And stink of fried foods
and having to deal with complicated orders and people who change their minds....
It's just a WONDERFUL job. So easy....
Did I mention I knew a manager who got murdered by robbers in a McDonalds? No?
Yeah. It's just handing out burgers.
They obviously should get that...
...what was the English term for that raise on your salary, if your job is more dangerous that normally would be expected?
Chernoslavia wrote:Free Soviets wrote:according to both the law library of congress and wikipedia, both automatics and semi-autos that can be easily converted are outright banned in norway.
Source?
by Neo-Mlytoria » Tue Sep 10, 2013 7:57 am
A good point, it will indeed cost money in many ways I'm sure I can't personally account for or even think of, but with the billions McDonalds has just essentially sitting around in its company bank account, they can take the hit, and I'm pretty sure they know damn well that it won't have as much of a long-term cut into their profit margin as liberating their workers from wage slavery would.Enadail wrote:Um... if all their workers (or lets say all the low paid employees in their stores, I can't call them restaurants) are on strike, how easily, and at what cost, do you think they can replace them? Even a line cook requires some training, you need someone to manage, etc. Its not exactly a switch...
by Grenartia » Tue Sep 10, 2013 8:01 am
Immoren wrote:Katganistan wrote:
Sure.
And risk horrible burns at the french fry station...
And take shite from customers....
And stink of fried foods
and having to deal with complicated orders and people who change their minds....
It's just a WONDERFUL job. So easy....
Did I mention I knew a manager who got murdered by robbers in a McDonalds? No?
Yeah. It's just handing out burgers.
They obviously should get that...
...what was the English term for that raise on your salary, if your job is more dangerous that normally would be expected?
by Enadail » Tue Sep 10, 2013 8:25 am
Neo-Mlytoria wrote:A good point, it will indeed cost money in many ways I'm sure I can't personally account for or even think of, but with the billions McDonalds has just essentially sitting around in its company bank account, they can take the hit, and I'm pretty sure they know damn well that it won't have as much of a long-term cut into their profit margin as liberating their workers from wage slavery would.Enadail wrote:Um... if all their workers (or lets say all the low paid employees in their stores, I can't call them restaurants) are on strike, how easily, and at what cost, do you think they can replace them? Even a line cook requires some training, you need someone to manage, etc. Its not exactly a switch...
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