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Should minimum wage be raised?

Poll ended at Tue Sep 03, 2013 7:24 pm

Yes
63
51%
No
27
22%
No minimum wage
15
12%
Give everyone benefits but keep minimal
6
5%
Give more benefits and increase
12
10%
 
Total votes : 123

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The Holy Michigan Empire
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Postby The Holy Michigan Empire » Thu Aug 29, 2013 3:49 am

As a person whom works a Mickeydees, I don't think raising the minimum wage agains is a good idea.

Since this wage doesn't just increase it just specifically for Mickeydees, but it increases it for all places, which makes it harder for smaller and struggling new competition to inch it's way anywhere.

While it is always nice to be payed more, there tends to be less people working in the restaurant which makes my job and the jobs of others more valued. . .but incredibly more harder.

Also 15 dollars and hour is just silly. The best raise one gets is probably 10 cents every few months.

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Postby Grenartia » Thu Aug 29, 2013 12:30 pm

The Holy Michigan Empire wrote:As a person whom works a Mickeydees, I don't think raising the minimum wage agains is a good idea.

Since this wage doesn't just increase it just specifically for Mickeydees, but it increases it for all places, which makes it harder for smaller and struggling new competition to inch it's way anywhere.

While it is always nice to be payed more, there tends to be less people working in the restaurant which makes my job and the jobs of others more valued. . .but incredibly more harder.

Also 15 dollars and hour is just silly. The best raise one gets is probably 10 cents every few months.


15 is just a bargaining chip. When negotiating, you always ask for higher than you actually want, so you can negotiate down and seem like a reasonable person/group of people.
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Postby Albion Rhodesia » Fri Aug 30, 2013 4:06 pm

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Considering that everything up in Canada is taxed, they may as well pay you a $100.00 an hour as minimum wage, as your socialized medicine will suck up a majority of your money, along with your crazy high state and federal tax you pay on all products purchased.

Yup. But then they have free healthcare benefits, along with a support system. And they likely get quite a bit back after taxes, if they are low wage, as what happens here in the states. Overall, though you may 'earn less' in Canada, you probably get more bang for your buck than you do here.


Considering the "quality" of Canadian Healthcare, I'll take my private insurance any day of the week, because at least I know that I'll receive quality medical care, instead of waiting in line, and hoping and praying that the Government Run System doesn't reject my claim, because they couldn't give a damn about your treatment, since you're only a number to them, unlike at least with private insurance where you're a customer and have some rights to recourse.

Also, I don't know how low income earning works in Canada, but a majority of low income people in the United States have a ton of federal programs to fall back on, so I don't think it's much better in that regard.

Finally, I don't see how you get more bang for your buck in Canada, since you're making less, getting paid less, and paying more up front to the government, to live on food stamps in government housing...doesn't sound too appealing to me.
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Postby Divided America » Wed Sep 04, 2013 5:16 pm

This is what happens when you don't go to school kids.
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Postby Gauthier » Wed Sep 04, 2013 5:23 pm

Divided America wrote:This is what happens when you don't go to school kids.


Because there's a huge stack of college degree jobs that are gathering dust waiting to be filled. Uh oh...
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Postby Hornesia » Wed Sep 04, 2013 5:25 pm

The thing about raising minimum rage means it makes everything cost more, therefore making the raise worthless and making it so another is "required" and will again ultimately become worthless.
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Postby Gauthier » Wed Sep 04, 2013 5:26 pm

Hornesia wrote:The thing about raising minimum rage means it makes everything cost more, therefore making the raise worthless and making it so another is "required" and will again ultimately become worthless.


And yet, Costco is not only staying in business, it's making record profits.
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Postby Hornesia » Wed Sep 04, 2013 5:28 pm

Gauthier wrote:
Hornesia wrote:The thing about raising minimum rage means it makes everything cost more, therefore making the raise worthless and making it so another is "required" and will again ultimately become worthless.


And yet, Costco is not only staying in business, it's making record profits.

Yes, but they're not paying minimum wage now, are they? Once you raise it across the board, it drives up prices.
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Postby Franklin Delano Bluth » Wed Sep 04, 2013 8:03 pm

Hornesia wrote:The thing about raising minimum rage means it makes everything cost more, therefore making the raise worthless and making it so another is "required" and will again ultimately become worthless.


It's like not bothering to stop and think about something beyond a knee-jerk, prima facie assessment (if even that much) is a badge of pride for you...
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Postby Saiwania » Wed Sep 04, 2013 8:07 pm

Gauthier wrote:Because there's a huge stack of college degree jobs that are gathering dust waiting to be filled. Uh oh...


Indeed, what is the point of going to college if it won't make you any better off financially? It is an investment based off of the fact that statistically speaking, a higher level of education insulates you from the risk of unemployment- provided you pick the right career field.
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Postby Franklin Delano Bluth » Wed Sep 04, 2013 8:13 pm

Saiwania wrote:
Gauthier wrote:Because there's a huge stack of college degree jobs that are gathering dust waiting to be filled. Uh oh...


Indeed, what is the point of going to college if it won't make you any better off financially?

I don't know. What's the point of going to see a movie if it won't make you any better off financially? What's the point of taking that vacation to Disney World if it won't make you any better off financially? What's the point of stuffing dollar bills into Foxxy Bubbles's bra if it won't make you any better off financially?

It is an investment.

Only if you choose to view it that way.

Those who actually belong in college, don't.

Your ridiculous, depraved, and immoral instrumentalism is part of the problem.
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Postby Gauthier » Wed Sep 04, 2013 8:15 pm

Franklin Delano Bluth wrote:
Saiwania wrote:
Indeed, what is the point of going to college if it won't make you any better off financially?

I don't know. What's the point of going to see a movie if it won't make you any better off financially? What's the point of taking that vacation to Disney World if it won't make you any better off financially? What's the point of stuffing dollar bills into Foxxy Bubbles's bra if it won't make you any better off financially?

It is an investment.

Only if you choose to view it that way.

Those who actually belong in college, don't.

Your ridiculous, depraved, and immoral instrumentalism is part of the problem.


Of course the obcessive focus on technical fields for careers as opposed to liberal arts doesn't help.
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Postby Saiwania » Wed Sep 04, 2013 8:20 pm

Gauthier wrote:Of course the obsessive focus on technical fields for careers as opposed to liberal arts doesn't help.


You want more people taking liberal arts? How about the fact that they would, if careers using liberal arts actually paid well enough to justify the cost of the tuition for a liberal arts education? Quite simply, the technical fields are where the demand and future economic growth is.
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Postby Arumdaum » Fri Sep 06, 2013 3:56 am

Distruzio wrote:
Saint Kitten wrote:Benefits as in payed vacation, longer leaves, etc. only applying to lower end jobs (again, no offense to anyone)

ABC News
New York Times
USA Today
Feel free to pick which ever news source you wish, I picked the major ones.

So, basically, these workers that are employed by Mac Donald's are striking about their pay. They (assuming everyone in the protest is on the same page) want to be payed $15.00 an hour instead of the minimal wage of $7.25 depending on your state.

USA Map of wages

So, do you agree that they should be payed more?
Should it be kept the same?

Opinions, more facts, and other fun related stuff dealing with Mac Donald's strikes is what this topic is about.


No. They should not be paid more. They earn what their labor skills are valued at.

And what's it valued at?
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Postby Blekksprutia » Fri Sep 06, 2013 3:59 am

They should be striking about the ground up torture, hatred and mistreatment they serve between two buns.
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Postby Pope Joan » Fri Sep 06, 2013 4:00 am

One of the problems with legislated wage scales is that a worker in Hornell NY can live quite handsomely on $40k per year while one in NYC would be in bad shape. How can you make a universal standard, then? Regionalize it somehow?
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Postby Empire of Vlissingen » Fri Sep 06, 2013 4:11 am

Yes but the minimum wage should be raised to 10$
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Postby Grenartia » Fri Sep 06, 2013 4:55 am

Pope Joan wrote:One of the problems with legislated wage scales is that a worker in Hornell NY can live quite handsomely on $40k per year while one in NYC would be in bad shape. How can you make a universal standard, then? Regionalize it somehow?


Make it slightly higher than the cost of living in the county/county equivalent.
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Postby Zottistan » Fri Sep 06, 2013 4:59 am

Saint Kitten wrote:
Blasveck wrote:What's your opinion, OP?


15 is a lot for just handing out burgers (no offense, have to do what you have to do), I guess if you work there a while a pay raise should be a question but 15 is kinda high

They ask for $15 hoping to get $10.
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Postby Divair » Fri Sep 06, 2013 8:04 am

Divided America wrote:This is what happens when you don't go to school kids.

Or when you do and you can't pay for it..

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Postby Herskerstad » Fri Sep 06, 2013 8:09 am

Well, the costs are rising to such an extent that a 7.25 bucks an hour tab will almost certainly require some housing assistance to get by even though it is an entry-level job. Raising it to 10 would be prudent which I think will be the ultimate goal. Making it go up over twice as much however is not going to happen.
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Postby New England and The Maritimes » Fri Sep 06, 2013 9:27 am

If the minimum wage rose in pace with the rise in top level salaries it would have broken $26 an hour by 2006, so I see no problem with their demands and I don't think they go far enough.
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Postby Christmahanikwanzikah » Fri Sep 06, 2013 9:35 am

Gauthier wrote:
Franklin Delano Bluth wrote:I don't know. What's the point of going to see a movie if it won't make you any better off financially? What's the point of taking that vacation to Disney World if it won't make you any better off financially? What's the point of stuffing dollar bills into Foxxy Bubbles's bra if it won't make you any better off financially?


Only if you choose to view it that way.

Those who actually belong in college, don't.

Your ridiculous, depraved, and immoral instrumentalism is part of the problem.


Of course the obcessive focus on technical fields for careers as opposed to liberal arts doesn't help.


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Postby Wind in the Willows » Fri Sep 06, 2013 9:45 am

We could shut down McDonalds and encourage citizens to eat healthier.

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Postby Starkiller101 » Fri Sep 06, 2013 9:47 am

Wind in the Willows wrote:We could shut down McDonalds and encourage citizens to eat healthier.
You but that would upset a lot of people
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