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Postby Luveria » Wed Aug 28, 2013 3:50 pm

Gaveo wrote:
Luveria wrote:I'm not saying killing him would present more of a risk. I just don't see how executing someone punishes them when it negates all discomfort, and in this particular case it's a martyr seeking execution so he can be killed by infidels.

I rather just kill him now than keep in a prison for life...

Why?

If you want to punish someone, you don't do it by giving them exactly what they want. I'm not seeing how execution is a punishment for Hasan.

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Postby Christian Democrats » Wed Aug 28, 2013 3:51 pm

I oppose capital punishment.

I wonder if President Obama will approve the execution.

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Postby Genivaria » Wed Aug 28, 2013 3:52 pm

Vazdania wrote::palm: The death penalty should be illegal. He should have life in prison.

That is surprisingly progressive of you.

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Postby The Grey Wolf » Wed Aug 28, 2013 3:54 pm

:clap:
Welp, one less scumbag (although I hate to defame the soon to be deceased, in this case, I'll make an exception.) So can't say I'm displeased with the ruling.
Anyone else feel like going over to his cell and eating a bunch of pork and beef jerky in front of him?

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Postby Gaveo » Wed Aug 28, 2013 3:54 pm

Luveria wrote:
Gaveo wrote:I rather just kill him now than keep in a prison for life...

Why?

If you want to punish someone, you don't do it by giving them exactly what they want. I'm not seeing how execution is a punishment for Hasan.

Think of it this way, taxpayer dollars are being used to feed this man that killed people in a massacre. Seriously, its dumb. I know we would spend money killing him but at least it is in one swift stroke.
Bruh.

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Postby Karrgath » Wed Aug 28, 2013 3:55 pm

It's the right end to a horrible chapter of American Domestic Terrorism.

Hope He rots.

People can declare him some sort of symbol or martyr all they wish; He can become the face of domestic Muslim terrorism but the point of it is. That symbol unlike the spiritual advocate he apparently found so compelling isn't going to be the face for long.

If people still claim he is the inspiration for Islamic Jihadists in a decade or so then i will be surprised.

My point is simple; This movement gone through "Hundreds" of Martyr's a Year or more near on a decade.

If he wants to be a corpse on the pile then fine.

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Postby Darra Adam Khel » Wed Aug 28, 2013 3:55 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:Would the fact he defended himself and apparently did a piss poor job of it allow an appeal based on poor counsel?

Of is that just something I picked up form Law and Order?


No because e was well briefed on the risks of defending himself. As is every criminal that's very hard to appeal on unless you can show the court was biased. Which is also very hard. He will be granted automatic appeal though since that is the military policy for death penalty but I'm sure they will just affirm the cour. That I'd mostly a law and order thing.

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Postby The Grey Wolf » Wed Aug 28, 2013 3:55 pm

Gaveo wrote:
Luveria wrote:Why?

If you want to punish someone, you don't do it by giving them exactly what they want. I'm not seeing how execution is a punishment for Hasan.

Think of it this way, taxpayer dollars are being used to feed this man that killed people in a massacre. Seriously, its dumb. I know we would spend money killing him but at least it is in one swift stroke.


All we'd really need would be one bullet to his head.

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Postby Neo Rome Republic » Wed Aug 28, 2013 3:56 pm

Kill the bastard.
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Postby Luveria » Wed Aug 28, 2013 3:56 pm

Gaveo wrote:
Luveria wrote:Why?

If you want to punish someone, you don't do it by giving them exactly what they want. I'm not seeing how execution is a punishment for Hasan.

Think of it this way, taxpayer dollars are being used to feed this man that killed people in a massacre. Seriously, its dumb. I know we would spend money killing him but at least it is in one swift stroke.

Wow, so you're using the taxes argument now? Why are you specifically applying it only to Hasan and not every other murderer? Am I to believe it's really about saving costs when you're only applying it one individual? Hasan's incarceration would make no difference to any state or national taxation rate. It's one of the weakest arguments there is.

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Postby Warda » Wed Aug 28, 2013 3:57 pm

The Grey Wolf wrote:
Gaveo wrote:Think of it this way, taxpayer dollars are being used to feed this man that killed people in a massacre. Seriously, its dumb. I know we would spend money killing him but at least it is in one swift stroke.


All we'd really need would be one bullet to his head.

I am pro guillotine.
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Postby Draakonite » Wed Aug 28, 2013 3:57 pm

The Grey Wolf wrote:
Gaveo wrote:Think of it this way, taxpayer dollars are being used to feed this man that killed people in a massacre. Seriously, its dumb. I know we would spend money killing him but at least it is in one swift stroke.


All we'd really need would be one bullet to his head.


And the bullet is paid by the family... but this ain't China.
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Postby Neo Rome Republic » Wed Aug 28, 2013 3:58 pm

Warda wrote:
The Grey Wolf wrote:
All we'd really need would be one bullet to his head.

I am pro guillotine.


Ah, the classics.
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Postby The Grey Wolf » Wed Aug 28, 2013 3:58 pm

Warda wrote:
The Grey Wolf wrote:
All we'd really need would be one bullet to his head.

I am pro guillotine.


Bring on the choppas. :p

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Postby Warda » Wed Aug 28, 2013 3:59 pm

Draakonite wrote:
The Grey Wolf wrote:
All we'd really need would be one bullet to his head.


And the bullet is paid by the family... but this ain't China.

You can re-use guillotines!
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Postby Gaveo » Wed Aug 28, 2013 3:59 pm

The Grey Wolf wrote:
Gaveo wrote:Think of it this way, taxpayer dollars are being used to feed this man that killed people in a massacre. Seriously, its dumb. I know we would spend money killing him but at least it is in one swift stroke.


All we'd really need would be one bullet to his head.

Yeah but apparently that isn't "humane".

Now we have to do a bunch of fancy smancy chemicals and stuff to kill a man. Well, at least Hasan.
Luveria wrote:
Gaveo wrote:Think of it this way, taxpayer dollars are being used to feed this man that killed people in a massacre. Seriously, its dumb. I know we would spend money killing him but at least it is in one swift stroke.

Wow, so you're using the taxes argument now? Why are you specifically applying it only to Hasan and not every other murderer? Am I to believe it's really about saving costs when you're only applying it one individual? Hasan's incarceration would make no difference to any state or national taxation rate. It's one of the weakest arguments there is.

Well I believe it should apply to everyone...

But whatevs.
Bruh.

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Postby The Grey Wolf » Wed Aug 28, 2013 4:00 pm

Draakonite wrote:
The Grey Wolf wrote:
All we'd really need would be one bullet to his head.


And the bullet is paid by the family... but this ain't China.


He's a savage, savages should be glad to get such a dignified death.
Now if I was in charge of the execution.... :twisted:

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Postby Abatael » Wed Aug 28, 2013 4:00 pm

I'm glad. He doesn't deserve life, even if he wants to die.
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Postby Blasveck » Wed Aug 28, 2013 4:00 pm

Christian Democrats wrote:I oppose capital punishment.

I wonder if President Obama will approve the execution.

"I believe that the death penalty is appropriate in certain circumstances. There are extraordinarily heinous crimes, terrorism, the harm of children, in which it may be appropriate" (Obama 2004).


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Postby Abatael » Wed Aug 28, 2013 4:00 pm

Christian Democrats wrote:I oppose capital punishment.

I wonder if President Obama will approve the execution.

"I believe that the death penalty is appropriate in certain circumstances. There are extraordinarily heinous crimes, terrorism, the harm of children, in which it may be appropriate" (Obama 2004).


With that quotation, it seems he will.
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Postby Draakonite » Wed Aug 28, 2013 4:00 pm

Warda wrote:
Draakonite wrote:
And the bullet is paid by the family... but this ain't China.

You can re-use guillotines!


buying a guillotine and new blades, and maintaining the blade, is more expensive than buying maintaining a mosin nagant and one bullet for each person.
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Postby The Grey Wolf » Wed Aug 28, 2013 4:02 pm

Gaveo wrote:
The Grey Wolf wrote:
All we'd really need would be one bullet to his head.

Yeah but apparently that isn't "humane".

Now we have to do a bunch of fancy smancy chemicals and stuff to kill a man. Well, at least Hasan.


At the taxpayers expense, as always.

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Postby Neo Rome Republic » Wed Aug 28, 2013 4:02 pm

Gaveo wrote:
The Grey Wolf wrote:
All we'd really need would be one bullet to his head.

Yeah but apparently that isn't "humane".

Now we have to do a bunch of fancy smancy chemicals and stuff to kill a man. Well, at least Hasan.
Luveria wrote:Wow, so you're using the taxes argument now? Why are you specifically applying it only to Hasan and not every other murderer? Am I to believe it's really about saving costs when you're only applying it one individual? Hasan's incarceration would make no difference to any state or national taxation rate. It's one of the weakest arguments there is.

Well I believe it should apply to everyone...

But whatevs.


How the hell can a ''humane death'' be defined? I mean a shot to the head, is just as painless and swift as a few chemicals.
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Postby Gaveo » Wed Aug 28, 2013 4:03 pm

The Grey Wolf wrote:
Gaveo wrote:Yeah but apparently that isn't "humane".

Now we have to do a bunch of fancy smancy chemicals and stuff to kill a man. Well, at least Hasan.


At the taxpayers expense, as always.

Yep.

Seriously, just one bullet to the head. Done. It doesn't even to be a high caliber gun, just kill the bastard.
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Gaveo wrote:Yeah but apparently that isn't "humane".

Now we have to do a bunch of fancy smancy chemicals and stuff to kill a man. Well, at least Hasan.

Well I believe it should apply to everyone...

But whatevs.


How the hell can a ''humane death'' be defined? I mean a shot to the head, is just as painless and swift as a few chemicals.

No clue.

Go to some UN source or something.

I am pretty sure they made those rules and encouraged all UN members to follow it.
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Postby The Grey Wolf » Wed Aug 28, 2013 4:03 pm

Abatael wrote:I'm glad. He doesn't deserve life, even if he wants to die.


He can have the death he wants, but his happiness will be short lived. The demons in hell will see to that.

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