Miley Cyrus VMA performance and modern views on sex and race

[Gauthier]

What an excellent observation!

In fact it is, as it rather neatly refutes your assertion that nobody cares. Obviously people do care. You can tell because we've been talking about it for 35 pages. If nobody cared then the thread wouldn't have been posted in the first place. There wouldn't even be a news story.

Hipsters are the new nihilists.

[Des-Bal]

She looked disgusting, you don't need to buy the rights to do a black dance, and this would flow better if I had a third thing.

[Lenninists]

I thought the performance was HAWT, and I can't blame her for trying to appeal to an older(more Pervy) group of people.

[Des-Bal]

I thought the performance was HAWT, and I can't blame her for trying to appeal to an older(more Pervy) group of people.

Seriously? She looked disgusting. I'm not saying that because acknowledging a woman looks attractive is a manifestation of privilege and objectification I'm saying that because between the hair the weird plastic bikini and that goddamned costume I had no interest in her. If she jumped out of a cake at a bachelor party I would assume it was a cruel joke on the groom.

[Lenninists]

No one ever reads the signatures on these sites.

[The Rich Port]

How so?

A young, conventionally attractive, white woman dressed in skimpy clothing for the purpose of selling a product? Tre controversial!

Actually, I think that's EXACTLY what she was trying to do.

She was trying to be controversial, but not TOO controversial; that would scare too many people to make money/be popular.

She wanted to get prudes and morons to talk about how controversial she is; those are, after all, the ones that have the most money, either in their possession or throwing it at stuff.

[Des-Bal]

No one ever reads the signatures on these sites.

In all fairness most signatures don't say
"DON'T RESPOND TO ME I JUST LIKE TO HEAR MYSELF TALK"

[Nazis in Space]

A young, conventionally attractive, white woman dressed in skimpy clothing for the purpose of selling a product? Tre controversial!

Actually, I think that's EXACTLY what she was trying to do.

She was trying to be controversial, but not TOO controversial; that would scare too many people to make money/be popular.

She wanted to get prudes and morons to talk about how controversial she is; those are, after all, the ones that have the most money, either in their possession or throwing it at stuff.

That is possible.

It is, however, far from being a certainty, given her social environment, as well as the industry standards as-is.

[The Rich Port]

Actually, I think that's EXACTLY what she was trying to do.

She was trying to be controversial, but not TOO controversial; that would scare too many people to make money/be popular.

She wanted to get prudes and morons to talk about how controversial she is; those are, after all, the ones that have the most money, either in their possession or throwing it at stuff.

That is possible.

It is, however, far from being a certainty, given her social environment, as well as the industry standards as-is.

... Actually, now that I remember, didn't she come out recently saying she did this because "she wantd to make history" and "make people talk about [her]"?

[Gauthier]

That is possible.

It is, however, far from being a certainty, given her social environment, as well as the industry standards as-is.

... Actually, now that I remember, didn't she come out recently saying she did this because "she wantd to make history" and "make people talk about [her]"?

All she's doing is burning up her 15 Minutes.

[Ifreann]

No one ever reads the signatures on these sites.

I'd like to state for the record that I have never seen an idea quite so spectacular as stating every time you post that you're breaking the rules of this website.

[Lenninists]

Since this thread is derailing a bit I would like to say that completely seriously I though the performance was genuinely entertaining and I can't blame an artist for trying to embrace a sex filled industry, she can't make kiddie movies on Disney channel for forever.

[The Rich Port]

Aha!

I knew I read this somewhere

[Hurdegaryp]

... Actually, now that I remember, didn't she come out recently saying she did this because "she wantd to make history" and "make people talk about [her]"?

All she's doing is burning up her 15 Minutes.

Maybe, maybe not. Pop culture is a fickle mistress, after all.

[Greed and Death]

All she's doing is burning up her 15 Minutes.

Maybe, maybe not. Pop culture is a fickle mistress, after all.

Yeah if she ends up out of the light I see a leaked porn video.

[The Rich Port]

Maybe, maybe not. Pop culture is a fickle mistress, after all.

Yeah if she ends up out of the light I see a leaked porn video.

So, I guess her career going nuclear isn't a total loss for everyone involved.

[Northern Dominus]

Yeah if she ends up out of the light I see a leaked porn video.

So, I guess her career going nuclear isn't a total loss for everyone involved.

Has her career gone nuclear? As I understand it pre-orders for her upcoming album shot up after her performance, enough to pass Katy Perry (who had a much tighter performance IMO) and her latest single apparently recorded 90,000 new downloads along with the social media bump, so by what measure is her career "going under"?

http://www.entertainmentwise.com/news/1 ... -Downloads

[Galborg]

Jazz, Rock, Pop, Reggae, Ska etc started as Black music.
Then they let Whites listen to it.
Then they let Whites perform it.

Now??? of all times, Eebil Libruhls whinge that it is inappropriate for Whites to appropriate Black culture.
Hey, appropriating is the most appropriate thing you can do.

[Ifreann]

Jazz, Rock, Pop, Reggae etc started as Black music.
Then they let Whites listen to it.
Then they let Whites perform it.

Now??? of all times, Eebil Libruhls whinge that it is inappropriate for Whites to appropriate Black culture.
Hey, appropriating is the most appropriate thing you can do.

The issue of cultural appropriation in this context is an old one and in so much this is not the most grievous example but merely enough to be able to continue the conversation.

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[Lordieth]

All singers should have their talent level measured by how long it is until they start featuring in Pitbull songs.

I give Miley 3 years. Maybe 4.

[Tahar Joblis]

Yes, women are often used as token enforcers. No, this does not mean they are the origin of these tropes, nor that they are the only ones to be blamed for them. The way that men and women express sexism may differ, but we're all swimming in the same sexist soup of a culture.

Sorry guys, you're not off the hook. Nobody is (including me!).

Women are not "token" enforcers. Women are the principal enforcers of gendered norms.

A young, conventionally attractive, white woman dressed in skimpy clothing for the purpose of selling a product? Tre controversial!

Well, it shouldn't be, but evidently that got enough people worked up to stir up controversy.

[Hurdegaryp]

Maybe, maybe not. Pop culture is a fickle mistress, after all.

Yeah if she ends up out of the light I see a leaked porn video.

Nah, that's been done to death. If even Screech from Saved By The Bell has his own sex tape, you just know the hype is over. Dustin Diamond ruined it for everyone else, forever.

[Northern Dominus]

Yes, women are often used as token enforcers. No, this does not mean they are the origin of these tropes, nor that they are the only ones to be blamed for them. The way that men and women express sexism may differ, but we're all swimming in the same sexist soup of a culture.

Sorry guys, you're not off the hook. Nobody is (including me!).

Women are not "token" enforcers. Women are the principal enforcers of gendered norms.

A young, conventionally attractive, white woman dressed in skimpy clothing for the purpose of selling a product? Tre controversial!

Well, it shouldn't be, but evidently that got enough people worked up to stir up controversy.

Show us where specifically women are the "enforcers" of gendered norms? Especially when you have quite a few males in the talking head game doing a lot of the slut-shaming themselves.

Yeah if she ends up out of the light I see a leaked porn video.

Nah, that's been done to death. If even Screech from Saved By The Bell has his own sex tape, you just know the hype is over. Dustin Diamond ruined it for everyone else, forever.

... is that a public admission that you've seen it?

And hey, if saying that he was Screech gets him laid in the first place, then sells sex tapes, who am I to argue or turn my nose up?

[The Rich Port]

Women are not "token" enforcers. Women are the principal enforcers of gendered norms.

Well, it shouldn't be, but evidently that got enough people worked up to stir up controversy.

Show us where specifically women are the "enforcers" of gendered norms? Especially when you have quite a few males in the talking head game doing a lot of the slut-shaming themselves.

Nah, that's been done to death. If even Screech from Saved By The Bell has his own sex tape, you just know the hype is over. Dustin Diamond ruined it for everyone else, forever.

... is that a public admission that you've seen it?

And hey, if saying that he was Screech gets him laid in the first place, then sells sex tapes, who am I to argue or turn my nose up?

Screech's sex tape didn't sell because of the sex.

It sold because it was a train wreck.

[Tahar Joblis]

Women are not "token" enforcers. Women are the principal enforcers of gendered norms.

Well, it shouldn't be, but evidently that got enough people worked up to stir up controversy.

Show us where specifically women are the "enforcers" of gendered norms? Especially when you have quite a few males in the talking head game doing a lot of the slut-shaming themselves.

No, we don't have "quite a few males." We have a few of them. Most of those are getting pushback. If a male talking head engages in slut-shaming, he will get shat on for it, so not many of them do. The majority of those giving Miley Cyrus shit for being slutty on stage are women. I know "Mika" is sometimes a male name, so your confusion may be understood, but in this case, it isn't.