Miley Cyrus VMA performance and modern views on sex and race

[Ifreann]

Yeah. So, this is the most popular news in these times?

No.

Even more popular than all the other news and crisis that are happening, such as wars or famine?

They're getting far more attention.

she is just ugly.

So nothing to actually contribute?

[The Parkus Empire]

"People say, ‘Hey, do you think this is degrading to women?’ I’m like, ‘Of course it is. What a pleasure it is to degrade a woman. I’ve never gotten to do that before. I’ve always respected women."

-Thicke

[Ifreann]

"People say, ‘Hey, do you think this is degrading to women?’ I’m like, ‘Of course it is. What a pleasure it is to degrade a woman. I’ve never gotten to do that before. I’ve always respected women."

-Thicke

Truly he will be remembered by history as the greatest of feminist philosophers.

[Tahar Joblis]

Except no, not really.

Well, for the people who can't conceive of sex as anything other than an act which is done to woman-objects by man-subjects, I suppose it is.

Like the people who look at Cyrus backing up and wiggling her butt onto a man's crotch - you know, actively dancing sexy and not being by any means passive - and describe it putting Cyrus as the object of the verb and the (largely stationary) man as the subject of the verb.

As if this dancing is active-subject Thicke doing a thing to passive-object Cyrus.

complete with grinding his crotch against Cyrus's rump.

He looked really uncomfortable grinding up against Cyrus

Yeah, there are some people running around and doing this... physician, heal thyself.

Anyway, on the topic of Thicke, we already had a thread on it, and I'd like to point anybody interested in talking about "Blurred Lines" to that thread to review.

[The Parkus Empire]

"People say, ‘Hey, do you think this is degrading to women?’ I’m like, ‘Of course it is. What a pleasure it is to degrade a woman. I’ve never gotten to do that before. I’ve always respected women."

-Thicke

Truly he will be remembered by history as the greatest of feminist philosophers.

A very unique and creative brand of feminism his was at that.

[Tahar Joblis]

"People say, ‘Hey, do you think this is degrading to women?’ I’m like, ‘Of course it is. What a pleasure it is to degrade a woman. I’ve never gotten to do that before. I’ve always respected women."

-Thicke

Sounds like he either doesn't know what the meaning of "degrade" is, or was answering with great sarcasm.

[The Parkus Empire]

Well, for the people who can't conceive of sex as anything other than an act which is done to woman-objects by man-subjects, I suppose it is.

Like the people who look at Cyrus backing up and wiggling her butt onto a man's crotch - you know, actively dancing sexy and not being by any means passive - and describe it putting Cyrus as the object of the verb and the (largely stationary) man as the subject of the verb.

As if this dancing is active-subject Thicke doing a thing to passive-object Cyrus.

complete with grinding his crotch against Cyrus's rump.

He looked really uncomfortable grinding up against Cyrus

Yeah, there are some people running around and doing this... physician, heal thyself.

Anyway, on the topic of Thicke, we already had a thread on it, and I'd like to point anybody interested in talking about "Blurred Lines" to that thread to review.

Thicke and that song were both a part of the performance and very much relate to the criticism of it.

[Ifreann]

Truly he will be remembered by history as the greatest of feminist philosophers.

A very unique and creative brand of feminism his was at that.

36 years of respecting women(and he wouldn't have said it if it weren't true) earns one some credit towards degrading them.

[Bottle]

A very unique and creative brand of feminism his was at that.

36 years of respecting women(and he wouldn't have said it if it weren't true) earns one some credit towards degrading them.

Woman here, can confirm: Old dudes totally get a free pass on being creepy. True fact.

[Ifreann]

36 years of respecting women(and he wouldn't have said it if it weren't true) earns one some credit towards degrading them.

Woman here, can confirm: Old dudes totally get a free pass on being creepy. True fact.

Sweet, I have something to look forward to.

[Bottle]

Woman here, can confirm: Old dudes totally get a free pass on being creepy. True fact.

Sweet, I have something to look forward to.

Make sure you dress like Gordon Gekko, and hang out at under-21 clubs every Thursday night. You get extra feminist points if you introduce yourself to groups of college freshman by asking which one of them wants to take a ride in your BMW.

[Trollgaard]

Wait, what's wrong with that blurred lines song? I heard on the radio a few times...it has an infectious groove to it. What is wrong with it?

[The Parkus Empire]

Wait, what's wrong with that blurred lines song? I heard on the radio a few times...it has an infectious groove to it. What is wrong with it?

It's all about guy telling a girl who's saying no that he knows she wants it. It's also got a fun bit about making her hurt because it works.

[Tahar Joblis]

36 years of respecting women(and he wouldn't have said it if it weren't true) earns one some credit towards degrading them.

Woman here, can confirm: Old dudes totally get a free pass on being creepy. True fact.

Bullshit. Old women get much more of a pass on being creepy than old men.

[Trollgaard]

Wait, what's wrong with that blurred lines song? I heard on the radio a few times...it has an infectious groove to it. What is wrong with it?

It's all about guy telling a girl who's saying no that he knows she wants it. It's also got a fun bit about making her hurt because it works.

Hmm?

[Tahar Joblis]

Wait, what's wrong with that blurred lines song? I heard on the radio a few times...it has an infectious groove to it. What is wrong with it?

It's all about guy telling a girl who's saying no that he knows she wants it. It's also got a fun bit about making her hurt because it works.

There's actually nowhere in the entire song where he says that the girl is saying no. It does say that the girl grabs him and tells the girl to "get at him."

The way you grab me
Must wanna get nasty
Go ahead, get at me

It does suggest the girl likes rough sex, but again, this is the 21st century, we can admit that some people like rough sex.

[The Parkus Empire]

It's all about guy telling a girl who's saying no that he knows she wants it. It's also got a fun bit about making her hurt because it works.

Hmm?

Watch the video/listen to the song.

[Trollgaard]

Hmm?

Watch the video/listen to the song.

The video has tits in it! Uncensored even! lololol

I have heard the song...but I don't know if i've *listened* to it. Next time I catch it on the radio I'll try and pay more attention.

[The Parkus Empire]

Watch the video/listen to the song.

The video has tits in it! Uncensored even! lololol

I have heard the song...but I don't know if i've *listened* to it. Next time I catch it on the radio I'll try and pay more attention.

Hm, yeah, they have an unrated one out there, although I was talking about the YouTube one.

[Ifreann]

Sweet, I have something to look forward to.

Make sure you dress like Gordon Gekko, and hang out at under-21 clubs every Thursday night. You get extra feminist points if you introduce yourself to groups of college freshman by asking which one of them wants to take a ride in your BMW.

Oh man, some friends and I went to a club a while back that we used to go to when we were freshmen, on a drunken whim. Felt so damned creepy.

[Greed and Death]

I can agree, but being awful does not make racist.

And noting the awfulness does not make one a slut shamer.

What exactly is racist about a dance?

It is that she took a dance associated with African Americans and she imitated the dance in a comical fashion, that she treated blackness as something to put on and become more sexual, and also she treated her mostly black backup dancers as though they were objects to give her pleasure.

While I began this thread with the assumption that people were over reacting about the racial undertones I have changed my opinion I think the the act as a whole was racist and promotes a view of African Americans that is demeaning.

[Bottle]

Make sure you dress like Gordon Gekko, and hang out at under-21 clubs every Thursday night. You get extra feminist points if you introduce yourself to groups of college freshman by asking which one of them wants to take a ride in your BMW.

Oh man, some friends and I went to a club a while back that we used to go to when we were freshmen, on a drunken whim. Felt so damned creepy.

No joke. I was waiting to meet a TA friend of mine outside the student union the other day and had a total Mathew McConaughey moment.

[The Rich Port]

It's because it's Adele.

She has talent AND she's not anorexic.

Is Miley Cyrus anorexic? How about Lady Gaga? Or Katy Perry? Are any of those women who happened to perform at the VMA's "anorexic" as well, or do you just not like Miley Cyrus and happened to attach some sort of back-handed insult to mock her body rather than state that you're just not a fan?

I wasn't referring to Miley Cyrus specifically.

That's all in YOUR head, brah.

Calm the hell down.

... Why are you defending her so much, anyway?

[Ifreann]

Is Miley Cyrus anorexic? How about Lady Gaga? Or Katy Perry? Are any of those women who happened to perform at the VMA's "anorexic" as well, or do you just not like Miley Cyrus and happened to attach some sort of back-handed insult to mock her body rather than state that you're just not a fan?

I wasn't referring to Miley Cyrus specifically.

So who were you referring to?The obvious implication of your post is that female mainstream music icons who are routinely sexualised are either untalented or anorexic. At least some of them must be, in your mind, anorexic or you wouldn't have mentioned it. So who is it? Expand on your point. Enlighten us as to your point of view.

[Las Palmeras]

One thing for sure, Miley has definitely become the outlet of aggression for many.