Miley Cyrus VMA performance and modern views on sex and race

[Siaos]

Personally I think this whole Miley thing is great.

The memes that have come out for it have been hilarious.

This is still my favorite.

(Image)

It was hilarious to watch, as inappropriate as it was.

[The Truth and Light]

Oh FFS! Here we go. Slut shaming and think of the children.

Get over yourself.

Would you support showing this video in school?

People already twerk in school.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Oh FFS! Here we go. Slut shaming and think of the children.

Get over yourself.

Would you support showing this video in school?

Sure. They see worse things online.

Again, get over yourself with your exaggerated prudishness.

[Seriong]

What? You were just a moment ago calling it racist.

Calling twerking racist? Where?

Saying it has racial connotations to it.

Twerking has no inherent racial connotations to it.

That's it. Today is the day I'm leaving the Internet.

Saying it's part of black culture

Uh okay. And?

Calling Twerking "stupid" and "asinine" is similar to going into another culture, perhaps an Indigenous nation, or a nomadic group on a steppe on another continent, or even a city-based culture in a different region, and, upon seeing their traditional dances, saying: "Hmmm. I don't understand this. These people express themselves in a paradigm of different values and customs. I conclude that they are stupid."

In other words, shut up.

Cultural Appropriation stuff.

I wonder... do the black rappers she's hanging out with think she sucks at it?

http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/171311 ... ance.jhtml
http://hollywoodlife.com/2013/08/23/mil ... a-g-thang/
http://www.businessinsider.com/miley-cy ... ogg-2013-6
http://www.justjared.com/2013/08/27/mil ... -23-video/

Uh... let's make something clear about that, for those of you not reading the links. The people she's "appropriating" from are people she makes music with. The people who are giving her shit for it are generally moralistic busybodies, not rappers. The Huffington Post article? White middle-class mom. Mika Brzezinski? White middle-aged woman. Jody Rosen? White middle-aged man.

You actually pointed out something really important, and I thank you for it.

People, it's not necessarily cultural appropriation if people from that culture are freely sharing with someone from the outside. That's just the truth.

So, it has racial connotations, it's part of black culture, but calling it stupid isn't racist? It's cultural appropriation (Some times) but not racist?

You mean you cannot defend your points, and prefer everyone to just agree with you? Tell me, how is a debate different from a discussion in your eyes?

Ugh ugh.

I appreciate that you're all a bunch of PoliSci majors and you feel the need to criticize your opponent, but really now?

A discussion is more civil, btw.

We "feel the need to criticize [our] opponent"? You mean, when we see someone say something completely wrong, we correct them?

Also, in what way were we uncivil?

[Siaos]

She can go insane all she wants, just don't do it on stage during an awards show that many teenagers are watching please.

Pst:

Most of those teenagers are already having sex.

Pst:

I don't care, that is private. This was in front of an audience of thousands, and with no warning.

[The Orson Empire]

I've heard about this, but I didn't even know there was a concert.

[Siaos]

Would you support showing this video in school?

Sure. They see worse things online.

Again, get over yourself with your exaggerated prudishness.

I'm just going to stop talking to you, since you feel the need to insult me for not wanting sudden sexual dances to pop up while watching TV. Bye!

[The Truth and Light]

Pst:

Most of those teenagers are already having sex.

Pst:

I don't care, that is private. This was in front of an audience of thousands, and with no warning.

I'd just like to point out the VMA's have a tendency to be shocking and vulgar.

It's been that way since forever.

[Gauthier]

If a dance move that has been popularized by society can't be explained without being lewd, we know there's a problem.

Yes, and that problem is that the person in question is being a prude.

Twerking is a sexually suggestive dance style, typically performed by women, which is centered on rhythmic rapid movement of the hips and buttocks to cause various bouncy parts of anatomy to bounce in a manner which causes parental-type personages to clutch their strands of pearls and cast about for fainting couches.

Don't forget the cries of people claiming Miley Cyrus's twerking destroyed women's rights and every adult female in existence has suddenly regressed to 19th Century Making Sammiches and Babies mode.

[Seriong]

Oh FFS! Here we go. Slut shaming and think of the children.

Get over yourself.

Would you support showing this video in school?

No, as it has no educational merit. I'm not saying it's wholesome and wonderful, it's just that the whole argument of "Think of the children!" is a bit silly. Most of the teenagers are using the VMAs as a break between porn, and killing people in video games.

[Bottle]

Pst:

Most of those teenagers are already having sex.

Pst:

I don't care, that is private. This was in front of an audience of thousands, and with no warning.

Oh there was a warning. "Next up, it's the MTV Video Music Awards!"

Perhaps you should ask your teen to help you set the filter on your DVR so you don't accidentally wind up watching such mature content.

[Siaos]

Pst:

I don't care, that is private. This was in front of an audience of thousands, and with no warning.

I'd just like to point out the VMA's have a tendency to be shocking and vulgar.

It's been that way since forever.

I have to admit, it is a vulgar show, but no where near this vulgar. Plus, what's with the furries?

[Minoriteeburg]

Personally I think this whole Miley thing is great.

The memes that have come out for it have been hilarious.

This is still my favorite.

(Image)

It was hilarious to watch, as inappropriate as it was.

I have yet to see it, nor do I really want to.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Sure. They see worse things online.

Again, get over yourself with your exaggerated prudishness.

I'm just going to stop talking to you, since you feel the need to insult me for not wanting sudden sexual dances to pop up while watching TV. Bye!

Change the channel.

[Nailed to the Perch]

Pst:

Most of those teenagers are already having sex.

Pst:

I don't care, that is private. This was in front of an audience of thousands, and with no warning.

"With no warning"? Seriously? You really think anyone in the audience of the VMAs thought, "Oh my god, a young female pop star dancing sexily at a pop music awards show! This is completely unexpected and shocking, and not at all something that has occurred roughly 87 times per pop music awards show for the last several decades"? Give me a break.

[Minoriteeburg]

So what the hell is this with her performance and race? I have been reading about it, but I don't get how a provocative dance sequence is racist.

[Siaos]

Would you support showing this video in school?

No, as it has no educational merit. I'm not saying it's wholesome and wonderful, it's just that the whole argument of "Think of the children!" is a bit silly. Most of the teenagers are using the VMAs as a break between porn, and killing people in video games.

Pst:

I don't care, that is private. This was in front of an audience of thousands, and with no warning.

Oh there was a warning. "Next up, it's the MTV Video Music Awards!"

Perhaps you should ask your teen to help you set the filter on your DVR so you don't accidentally wind up watching such mature content.

Fair enough, but we should still discourage this kind of stuff.

[The Truth and Light]

I'd just like to point out the VMA's have a tendency to be shocking and vulgar.

It's been that way since forever.

I have to admit, it is a vulgar show, but no where near this vulgar. Plus, what's with the furries?

I mean, there was Lady Gaga and her bleeding, Marilyn Manson ripping the pages out of a Bible... and other stuff. The shock aspect of the program is not new.

[Bottle]

Yes, and that problem is that the person in question is being a prude.

Twerking is a sexually suggestive dance style, typically performed by women, which is centered on rhythmic rapid movement of the hips and buttocks to cause various bouncy parts of anatomy to bounce in a manner which causes parental-type personages to clutch their strands of pearls and cast about for fainting couches.

Don't forget the cries of people claiming Miley Cyrus's twerking destroyed women's rights and every adult female in existence has suddenly regressed to 19th Century Making Sammiches and Babies mode.

Ah yes, the tragic downfall of noted women's rights activist Miley "Steinem" Cyrus. How ever will the sisterhood persevere...

[Minoriteeburg]

I have to admit, it is a vulgar show, but no where near this vulgar. Plus, what's with the furries?

I mean, there was Lady Gaga and her bleeding, Marilyn Manson ripping the pages out of a Bible... and other stuff. The shock aspect of the program is not new.

Let's not forget Madonna's career in the 80s-90s.

[Gauthier]

So what the hell is this with her performance and race? I have been reading about it, but I don't get how a provocative dance sequence is racist.

Because apparently Miley Cyrus having black dancers means she's trying to evoke hoochiemama imagery.

[Minoriteeburg]

So what the hell is this with her performance and race? I have been reading about it, but I don't get how a provocative dance sequence is racist.

Because apparently Miley Cyrus having black dancers means she's trying to evoke hoochiemama imagery.

Wat.

Seriously? That is the most ignorant thing I have ever heard. (well, recently)

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

I mean, there was Lady Gaga and her bleeding, Marilyn Manson ripping the pages out of a Bible... and other stuff. The shock aspect of the program is not new.

Let's not forget Madonna's career in the 80s-90s.

Britney and the snake.

It's fucking MTV. What do people expect? Really?

[The Truth and Light]

I mean, there was Lady Gaga and her bleeding, Marilyn Manson ripping the pages out of a Bible... and other stuff. The shock aspect of the program is not new.

Let's not forget Madonna's career in the 80s-90s.

My favorite part was her performance of Vogue at the MTV Awards where she had her back up dancers (who were People of Color) kiss her breasts and sniff her crotch. That was pretty much haraam at the time.

[Bottle]

No, as it has no educational merit. I'm not saying it's wholesome and wonderful, it's just that the whole argument of "Think of the children!" is a bit silly. Most of the teenagers are using the VMAs as a break between porn, and killing people in video games.

Oh there was a warning. "Next up, it's the MTV Video Music Awards!"

Perhaps you should ask your teen to help you set the filter on your DVR so you don't accidentally wind up watching such mature content.

Fair enough, but we should still discourage this kind of stuff.

If you think I should bother trying to "discourage" kids from dancing like idiots or fucking like weasels, you go right ahead and make a case for why.

Fair warning, though, I did both of those when I was a teen, and I intend to keep doing them until my hips refuse to cooperate.