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Miley Cyrus VMA performance and modern views on sex and race

Postby Greed and Death » Wed Aug 28, 2013 10:18 am

I actually did not watch the VMAs however with accusations of too raunchy, and counter accusations of slut shaming I became curious what all the hoopla was about. And I finally watched the performance after reading the accusations that her performance was a minstrel show.

Slut shaming source and counter source
http://www.washingtonpost.com/entertain ... story.html ;

http://perezhilton.com/2013-08-26-miley ... uY90b.dpbs

Minstrel show source and counter source:
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfre ... ropriation ;

http://flavorwire.com/412010/in-defense ... erformance

Youtube of the performance:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1WDEfJBZXg


So there are a lot of accusations, too sexual, slut shaming, then further we have accusations of cultural appropriation even some people claiming the performance was a minstrel show. So what of these labels if any fit ?

My view is that her performance left a lot to be desired she seemed too stiff and out of her element. I also do not personally find her performance objectionable on sexuality however I could see those who felt the performance was more raunchy than should be on what was billed as an all ages show.

For the issue of race I find the performance while an appropriation of some typically African American dance, music, and terms falls short of being a minstrel show.
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Postby Wind in the Willows » Wed Aug 28, 2013 10:21 am

Her music and videos are awful.

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Postby The Republic of Lanos » Wed Aug 28, 2013 10:23 am

There's a lot of universal condemnation to Miley's act among those of us that aren't among the tween groups that are enamored by Bieber and Miley even if they go to this point in their careers.

greed and death wrote:I actually did not watch the VMAs however with accusations of too raunchy, and counter accusations of slut shaming I became curious what all the hoopla was about.

I heard watching it shares the same fate as watching that video from The Ring.

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Postby Greed and Death » Wed Aug 28, 2013 10:23 am

Wind in the Willows wrote:Her music and videos are awful.

I can agree, but being awful does not make racist.

And noting the awfulness does not make one a slut shamer.
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Postby Menatolo » Wed Aug 28, 2013 10:23 am

She is an inspiration to our generation and deserves a medal for her amazing talent!

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Postby Priory Academy USSR » Wed Aug 28, 2013 10:23 am

It made a hell of a lot of pictures on the internet, but that's as much as I care about it. Really though, it just looked stupid.
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Postby Jinkx Monsoon » Wed Aug 28, 2013 10:25 am

Her performance got exactly what she wanted, everyone talking about it. It pushed her single up to #1 in iTunes sales too, regardless of what people thought of the performance.

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Postby NorthEast Alliance » Wed Aug 28, 2013 10:26 am

I hate her music but I watched her performance because of all the controversy about it and I found nothing wrong with it. It was funny when she stuck her tongue out every five seconds.
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Postby Kanaria » Wed Aug 28, 2013 10:26 am

As long as she is not a racist herself, and she hasn't lost all her self esteem, she can do as she wishes.
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Postby The Rich Port » Wed Aug 28, 2013 10:26 am

Menatolo wrote:She is an inspiration to our generation and deserves a medal for her amazing talent!


This is sarcasm if I ever read it.

She's young and dumb, and her music is just dumb.

I don't understand her fame in the first place, but the outrage at her shaking her ass is even more confounding.

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Postby Republic of Greater America » Wed Aug 28, 2013 10:26 am

Miley Cyrus is an idiot, her parents have no discipline and are as dumb as a sack of rocks, and her music sucks. Get her and her stupid antics off the air and media please. Also, she's going to be a slut someday, just like Kartrashian and Lazy Loham.
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Postby New haven america » Wed Aug 28, 2013 10:27 am

The Rich Port wrote:
Menatolo wrote:She is an inspiration to our generation and deserves a medal for her amazing talent!


This is sarcasm if I ever read it.

She's young and dumb, and her music is just dumb.

I don't understand her fame in the first place, but the outrage at her shaking her ass is even more confounding.

Because a bunch of tween girls love her. :palm: (Who have no taste in music)
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Postby Releign » Wed Aug 28, 2013 10:27 am

*See's Miley Cyrus*
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Postby Benuty » Wed Aug 28, 2013 10:27 am

Miley Cyrus is hardly relevant to today's world she just got people to be "hot under the collar" by acting out.
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Postby Earth Empire » Wed Aug 28, 2013 10:27 am

I'm just surprised she still has a fan base. Her music is crap.
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Postby Greed and Death » Wed Aug 28, 2013 10:29 am

New haven america wrote:
The Rich Port wrote:
This is sarcasm if I ever read it.

She's young and dumb, and her music is just dumb.

I don't understand her fame in the first place, but the outrage at her shaking her ass is even more confounding.

Because a bunch of tween girls love her. :palm: (Who have no taste in music)

And strangely a bunch of middle aged gay men love her.
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Postby The Rich Port » Wed Aug 28, 2013 10:30 am

greed and death wrote:
New haven america wrote:Because a bunch of tween girls love her. :palm: (Who have no taste in music)

And strangely a bunch of middle aged gay men love her.


And a bunch of middle-aged heterosexual men too.

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Postby Republic of Wreptzle » Wed Aug 28, 2013 10:30 am

There is nothing about her to like. People say she's sexy and that they'd like to get it on with her, but I see it as this:

If you find a juicy, steamy, amazing cheeseburger lying on a bed of disgusting, revolting garbage, would you still eat it?

Don't even get em started on her music and performance. The only reason she makes money is because sex sells and people are willing to overlook the 5 second rule for that burger I mentioned.
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Postby Indochinamerica » Wed Aug 28, 2013 10:30 am

That performance was just awful, but why in the world should there be any controversy about it?
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Postby The Parkus Empire » Wed Aug 28, 2013 10:31 am

It was definitely racist, and frankly it's not that she was "slutty" that I find objectionable about her sexuality, it was that she glorifying fucking misogyny and rape as things that women want via twerking to that sick song and its writer.

Fuck her.
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Postby Greed and Death » Wed Aug 28, 2013 10:31 am

The Rich Port wrote:
greed and death wrote:And strangely a bunch of middle aged gay men love her.


And a bunch of middle-aged heterosexual men too.

But those are just normal dirty old men they listen to her music with ear plugs in.
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Postby New haven america » Wed Aug 28, 2013 10:32 am

Indochinamerica wrote:That performance was just awful, but why in the world should there be any controversy about it?

Because she spanked a furry?
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Postby Benuty » Wed Aug 28, 2013 10:32 am

The Parkus Empire wrote:It was definitely racist, and frankly it's not that she was "slutty" that I find objectionable about her sexuality, it was that she glorifying fucking misogyny and rape as things that women want via twerking to that sick song and its writer.

Fuck her.


She was irrelevantly trying to glorify negative attributes of society in doing so she failed horribly.
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Postby Nationalist State of Knox » Wed Aug 28, 2013 10:32 am

I don't really see why this is such big news.
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Postby The Rich Port » Wed Aug 28, 2013 10:33 am

New haven america wrote:
Indochinamerica wrote:That performance was just awful, but why in the world should there be any controversy about it?

Because she spanked a furry?


That is offensive, ma'am.

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