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Postby Bundesdeutschland » Tue Aug 27, 2013 8:31 pm

The Huskar Social Union wrote:Sounds like a scare tactic, i doubt the US would actually go through with it. And if they did then things would not end well.

This below was painful to read....

God Kefka wrote:
International law is irrelevant. The USA can and should do whatever the hell it wants because it can... it's the most powerful and most God-fearing nation on Earth.

It doesn't matter who's right or wrong in Syria... what matter is this: what does America have to gain by taking one side militarily and what does it have to lose?

If it can make a gain... then GO FOR IT.

Personally, I'd like to see the US set up a new Christian government in Syria...
No. International law is highly relevant, especially if the US is apart of the UN. It has no right to run round doing what ever the fuck it wants to. And the world does not revolve around the US so what it gains to benefit from Syria has not importance what so ever.

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We have to prepare the Middle East for the second coming of Christ... through whatever means necessary.

Islam must not be allowed to prevail there...

America, as the world's most powerful Christian nation, should do whatever it takes to make this a smooth transition while in the profit benefiting itself.

The world NEEDS USA's leadership and USA should do whatever it can to advance itself and the Lord's Kingdom. Syria is a great place to start...

They don't see the Light... but we can show them.

Second coming of Jesus..... right, you think that.

Also the US is not a christian nation, never was, never will be. Read your constitution at least once. And the world does not need your leadership, the past ten years have shown that quite clearly. Most people dont want your "lords kingdom" anyway.

"Hey guys, believe in my god or die, k?" No this is not the crusades, this is the 21st Century.


Total blatant assumption there. And also, the Crusades were more political than religious.

Yes, the US is OBVIOUSLY not a Christian nation.

I do somewhat support Western intervention in Syria. Somewhat...

All this I will say only. Nothing else.
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Postby Haktiva » Tue Aug 27, 2013 8:37 pm

I can sympathize with both sides in the conflict. I say we let them sort it out instead of allowing D.C. the chance to get to Iran. As much as I love military might and all that, I really don't want to see US troops getting killed for the petro-dollar.

I hope we in the West stay out of this. If not, remember remember.....
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Postby Souriya Al-Assad » Tue Aug 27, 2013 8:43 pm

Haktiva wrote:I can sympathize with both sides in the conflict. I say we let them sort it out instead of allowing D.C. the chance to get to Iran. As much as I love military might and all that, I really don't want to see US troops getting killed for the petro-dollar.

I hope we in the West stay out of this. If not, remember remember.....


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Postby Democratic Union of Cydonia » Tue Aug 27, 2013 8:52 pm

Seeing as how the Syrian Army is actually decently armed and isn't Saddam's Army that runs away at the first sight of a worthy enemy, it will indeed be a train wreck for U.S. forces if we go into Syria. Thats not even with the mention the threat Russia poses against us. They surely wont be happy we attacked one of their allies and that we are within reach of their other ally in the middle east. I also like how we might go to war once again after just finishing Iraq and not even out of Afghan yet. I still question why were still there. Osama is dead and the Al Queda and Taliban have no formal commander anymore to my knowledge. They are basically done for and gone. So yeah this is my take on the situaion.

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Postby Haktiva » Tue Aug 27, 2013 8:56 pm

Souriya Al-Assad wrote:
Haktiva wrote:I can sympathize with both sides in the conflict. I say we let them sort it out instead of allowing D.C. the chance to get to Iran. As much as I love military might and all that, I really don't want to see US troops getting killed for the petro-dollar.

I hope we in the West stay out of this. If not, remember remember.....


Military might should never be utilised to aggress innocent nations. We should keep our lethal weapons to ourselves. Self-defence, nothing more, nothing less.

last I checked Assad supported Hamas and Hezbollah, but even as a Jew I have a lot of disdain for the current regime in Israel, so yeah, nobody has clean hands here.
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Postby Christmahanikwanzikah » Tue Aug 27, 2013 8:59 pm

Haktiva wrote:I can sympathize with both sides in the conflict. I say we let them sort it out instead of allowing D.C. the chance to get to Iran. As much as I love military might and all that, I really don't want to see US troops getting killed for the petro-dollar.

I hope we in the West stay out of this. If not, remember remember.....


Rwanda? Is that what I'm supposed to be remembering?

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Postby Querria » Tue Aug 27, 2013 8:59 pm

Democratic Union of Cydonia wrote:Seeing as how the Syrian Army is actually decently armed and isn't Saddam's Army that runs away at the first sight of a worthy enemy, it will indeed be a train wreck for U.S. forces if we go into Syria. Thats not even with the mention the threat Russia poses against us. They surely wont be happy we attacked one of their allies and that we are within reach of their other ally in the middle east. I also like how we might go to war once again after just finishing Iraq and not even out of Afghan yet. I still question why were still there. Osama is dead and the Al Queda and Taliban have no formal commander anymore to my knowledge. They are basically done for and gone. So yeah this is my take on the situaion.


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Postby Grand Britannia » Tue Aug 27, 2013 9:01 pm

Guize, Obama has the Noble Peace Prize, he's obviously going to wage war for the sake of peace.
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Postby Mikeswill » Tue Aug 27, 2013 9:01 pm

We, The United States, box ourselves into corners with our pompous morality disguised as the righteous protector of Democracy. We interfere in places called Korea, Vietnam, Chile, Iran, Iraq, and Afghanistan, based not on rational consideration of the consequences but rather on John Wayne Jingoism.

Unfortunately, not only do we fail miserably on our intended objective but we create greater global disdain when the hypocrisy of our actions come clear. Nevertheless, when time comes to consider saber rattling, We The People, compel our leaders to continue the madness.

If the President acts, we scream that he is a militant hawk. If he fails to act, we counter that he is a spineless dove. Whereas the circumstances in these States, including Syria, are abhorrent to our morality, our solutions always create greater problems without easing the condition of the respective peoples of these States.
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Postby Souriya Al-Assad » Tue Aug 27, 2013 9:12 pm

Haktiva wrote:
Souriya Al-Assad wrote:
Military might should never be utilised to aggress innocent nations. We should keep our lethal weapons to ourselves. Self-defence, nothing more, nothing less.

last I checked Assad supported Hamas and Hezbollah, but even as a Jew I have a lot of disdain for the current regime in Israel, so yeah, nobody has clean hands here.


You are not the sole Israeli I know that is awake. I know of several others that would also love to see the Zionist regime's elites gone.

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Postby Imperial Nilfgaard » Tue Aug 27, 2013 9:22 pm

Christmahanikwanzikah wrote:
Haktiva wrote:I can sympathize with both sides in the conflict. I say we let them sort it out instead of allowing D.C. the chance to get to Iran. As much as I love military might and all that, I really don't want to see US troops getting killed for the petro-dollar.

I hope we in the West stay out of this. If not, remember remember.....


Rwanda? Is that what I'm supposed to be remembering?


Its a v for vendetta reference.
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Postby Haktiva » Tue Aug 27, 2013 9:22 pm

Souriya Al-Assad wrote:
Haktiva wrote:last I checked Assad supported Hamas and Hezbollah, but even as a Jew I have a lot of disdain for the current regime in Israel, so yeah, nobody has clean hands here.


You are not the sole Israeli I know that is awake. I know of several others that would also love to see the Zionist regime's elites gone.

i'm not israeli. small town USA.
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Postby Christmahanikwanzikah » Tue Aug 27, 2013 9:29 pm

Imperial Nilfgaard wrote:
Christmahanikwanzikah wrote:
Rwanda? Is that what I'm supposed to be remembering?


Its a v for vendetta reference.


Oh.

I thought it was an Occupy Wall Street reference. Silly me. This is one of those times a SarcMark would come in handy.
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Postby Haktiva » Tue Aug 27, 2013 9:32 pm

Christmahanikwanzikah wrote:
Imperial Nilfgaard wrote:
Its a v for vendetta reference.


Oh.

I thought it was an Occupy Wall Street reference. Silly me. This is one of those times a SarcMark would come in handy.

a lot of history to it if you dig deep enough(not that deep actually)
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Postby Myrensis » Tue Aug 27, 2013 9:35 pm

Imperial Nilfgaard wrote:Its a v for vendetta reference.


I've really never understood how a guy trying to blow up one group of aristocrats for being of the wrong religion so he could replace them with another group of aristocrats with the right religion got picked up as some icon of anarchic populist ideals.

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Postby Haktiva » Tue Aug 27, 2013 9:36 pm

Myrensis wrote:
Imperial Nilfgaard wrote:Its a v for vendetta reference.


I've really never understood how a guy trying to blow up one group of aristocrats for being of the wrong religion so he could replace them with another group of aristocrats with the right religion got picked up as some icon of anarchic populist ideals.

i assume it's irony. i doubt everyone who knows the phrase is an anarchist. at least i'm not.
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Postby DogDoo 7 » Tue Aug 27, 2013 9:37 pm

Souriya Al-Assad wrote:
Haktiva wrote:last I checked Assad supported Hamas and Hezbollah, but even as a Jew I have a lot of disdain for the current regime in Israel, so yeah, nobody has clean hands here.


You are not the sole Israeli I know that is awake. I know of several others that would also love to see the Zionist regime's elites gone.

Honestly, they're all scumbags...across the board from Haredi to Arab-Nationalist.
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Postby Haktiva » Tue Aug 27, 2013 9:39 pm

DogDoo 7 wrote:
Souriya Al-Assad wrote:
You are not the sole Israeli I know that is awake. I know of several others that would also love to see the Zionist regime's elites gone.

Honestly, they're all scumbags...across the board from Haredi to Arab-Nationalist.
I can think of like 4 current MKs who are decent people.

is it true you guys are handing out gas masks again?
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Postby Libraria and Ausitoria » Tue Aug 27, 2013 9:40 pm

Neoconstantius wrote:http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/28/world/middleeast/strike-on-syria-would-cause-one-on-israel-iran-declares.html?_r=0

Well, shit. World War 3 anyone?


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Postby Souriya Al-Assad » Tue Aug 27, 2013 9:50 pm

Libraria and Ausitoria wrote:
Neoconstantius wrote:http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/28/world/middleeast/strike-on-syria-would-cause-one-on-israel-iran-declares.html?_r=0

Well, shit. World War 3 anyone?


Iran aren't fools, they know a strike on Israel would cause an Israeli strike on them.


This is not 1980s Iran any longer. Not only has it taken massive modernisation strides in its domestic defence industry, Russia as well as China have been tweaking them too. So has Pyongyang, whom arguably, as far as the Pokpungho main battle tank amongst some other equipments are concerned, did make strides of their own. With these facts Iran is not a weakling state, nor does it have weak allies either. Furthermore, if the Bavar-313 comes out soon, Iran's chances of withstanding a Zionist counterstrike increase even more.

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Postby Grand Britannia » Tue Aug 27, 2013 9:51 pm

Souriya Al-Assad wrote:
Libraria and Ausitoria wrote:
Iran aren't fools, they know a strike on Israel would cause an Israeli strike on them.


This is not 1980s Iran any longer. Not only has it taken massive modernisation strides in its domestic defence industry, Russia as well as China have been tweaking them too. So has Pyongyang, whom arguably, as far as the Pokpungho main battle tank amongst some other equipments are concerned, did make strides of their own. With these facts Iran is not a weakling state, nor does it have weak allies either. Furthermore, if the Bavar-313 comes out soon, Iran's chances of withstanding a Zionist counterstrike increase even more.

I hope you aren't talking about the shitty fake "stealth fighter" they "made".
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Postby Myrensis » Tue Aug 27, 2013 9:54 pm

Priory Academy USSR wrote:
The attacks were on a 'rebel-held suburb'. Unless there's any evidence that the attacks were staged by the opposition in order to gain support (which as far as I'm aware there isn't), then a simple tactical analysis would suggest that Assad used them.



And a simple strategic analysis would suggest that there is no reason at all for Assad to have done so, since the only thing he accomplished with it is giving the rebels a major PR boost and bringing western intervention one step closer.

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Postby Souriya Al-Assad » Tue Aug 27, 2013 9:56 pm

Myrensis wrote:
Priory Academy USSR wrote:
The attacks were on a 'rebel-held suburb'. Unless there's any evidence that the attacks were staged by the opposition in order to gain support (which as far as I'm aware there isn't), then a simple tactical analysis would suggest that Assad used them.



And a simple strategic analysis would suggest that there is no reason at all for Assad to have done so, since the only thing he accomplished with it is giving the rebels a major PR boost and bringing western intervention one step closer.


Exactly

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Postby Souriya Al-Assad » Tue Aug 27, 2013 9:59 pm

Grand Britannia wrote:
Souriya Al-Assad wrote:
This is not 1980s Iran any longer. Not only has it taken massive modernisation strides in its domestic defence industry, Russia as well as China have been tweaking them too. So has Pyongyang, whom arguably, as far as the Pokpungho main battle tank amongst some other equipments are concerned, did make strides of their own. With these facts Iran is not a weakling state, nor does it have weak allies either. Furthermore, if the Bavar-313 comes out soon, Iran's chances of withstanding a Zionist counterstrike increase even more.

I hope you aren't talking about the shitty fake "stealth fighter" they "made".


The Qaher-313 exists, however under development. Iran wanted to make it seem as if it were fully completed for several reasonable reasons to me, however behind that the Qaher-313 is still being worked upon, is real, just not ready for serial production yet.

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Postby DogDoo 7 » Tue Aug 27, 2013 10:01 pm

Haktiva wrote:
DogDoo 7 wrote:Honestly, they're all scumbags...across the board from Haredi to Arab-Nationalist.
I can think of like 4 current MKs who are decent people.

is it true you guys are handing out gas masks again?

We've BEEN handing out (the updated model) gas masks for like 2 years now. The only thing that's changed in the last few days is that more people are actually going to the Post Office to pick theirs up.

I use mine for counter-IDF tactics at Palestinian demonstrations :)
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