The Official Syria (and all things about it) Thread

[Danhanjeedh]

Never mind that anyone that protested against Assad and never took up arms were labeled terrorists and had the shit bombed out of them no matter where they lived.

well it doesn't matters anymore. Assad isn't perfect, we all know that and he possibly has to go through diplomatic ways (wich the US is blocking constantly). However the people that led the protests aren't the people who are fighting now.

[Finium]

Never mind that anyone that protested against Assad and never took up arms were labeled terrorists and had the shit bombed out of them no matter where they lived.

I wouldn't accuse Assad of being particularly good, I'm just interested in the fact that the rebels aren't much better.

[Costa Alegria]

That's the whole point of RT's existence is to broadcast propaganda critical of the US and "the West".

Being neutral in the whole media thing, i think you are mixing Press tv up with RT. RT isn't that anti west at all, its just like Al-Jazeera but reversed (Al-Jazeera as being slightly pro west and RT slightly pro "the other side") Both use propaganda to fill their story, just like very single mediachannel does. state owned or not, it doesn't matter anything.

No, it's anti-West. I've seen both PressTV and RT content and they're both pretty much the same. Also, not every media fills up their content with propaganda.

[Imperial Nilfgaard]

Relevant.
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Another living proof that these false rebels are mostly made of foreigners with Qutbist intentions.

Ah yes, nothing screams credible proof like a single tweet from some random dude.

[Neoconstantius]

http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013 ... s-say?lite

Neoconstantius' Official Syrian War Countdown™: 1 DAY 2 HOURS 24 MINUTES 33 SECONDS

[Souriya Al-Assad]

Never mind that anyone that protested against Assad and never took up arms were labeled terrorists and had the shit bombed out of them no matter where they lived.

Even this is questionable. These supposed rebels have their own heavy weapons, courtesy of NTC Libya most especially. Not to mention that during war it is very difficult to ascertain who did what truly until its over.

Or that in some cases Syrians pointed out the counting is difficult due to the FSA etcetera soldiers being dressed in plain clothes, as well as the controversy surrounding the one man SOHR In London.

[Imperial Nilfgaard]

http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/08/27/20209022-military-strikes-on-syria-as-early-as-thursday-us-officials-say?lite

Neoconstantius' Official Syrian War Countdown™: 1 DAY 2 HOURS 24 MINUTES 33 SECONDS

No. That means it would occur during the daytime. The US is almost certain to strike at night... like a ninja.

[Neoconstantius]

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/28/world ... .html?_r=0

Well, shit. World War 3 anyone?

[Finium]

http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/08/27/20209022-military-strikes-on-syria-as-early-as-thursday-us-officials-say?lite

Neoconstantius' Official Syrian War Countdown™: 1 DAY 2 HOURS 24 MINUTES 33 SECONDS

No. That means it would occur during the daytime. The US is almost certain to strike at night... like a ninja.

We're so discreet that no one even notices that we're here

You can't even find us on the map

[Vazdania]

UPDATE(?): "Iranian Foreign Ministry officials, reported the website of Lebanese newspaper "Nahar" that the Syrian president's plane landed Assad at the airport at night unexpectedly; "Khomeini" in the Iranian capital."

[Trelso]

No. That means it would occur during the daytime. The US is almost certain to strike at night... like a ninja.

We're so discreet that no one even notices that we're here

You can't even find us on the map

Is that because we NATOese folk have a tendacy of blowing up wiping out all the maps in your country when we come around to watch some fireworks drink some tea?

[Imperial Nilfgaard]

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/28/world/middleeast/strike-on-syria-would-cause-one-on-israel-iran-declares.html?_r=0

Well, shit. World War 3 anyone?

Let's not get ahead of ourselves. There is a big difference between threats and action, particularly from Iran.

[Vazdania]

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/28/world/middleeast/strike-on-syria-would-cause-one-on-israel-iran-declares.html?_r=0

Well, shit. World War 3 anyone?

Let's not get ahead of ourselves. There is a big difference between threats and action, particularly from Iran.

Such a localized coalition of states would hardly put up a long fight....

[Neoconstantius]

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/28/world/middleeast/strike-on-syria-would-cause-one-on-israel-iran-declares.html?_r=0

Well, shit. World War 3 anyone?

Let's not get ahead of ourselves. There is a big difference between threats and action, particularly from Iran.

True, true. I was mostly being facetious. But this is the Middle East. It's incredibly politically and militarily volatile, and a single spark, intentional or unintentional, could light the fuse...

[Neoconstantius]

Let's not get ahead of ourselves. There is a big difference between threats and action, particularly from Iran.

Such a localized coalition of states would hardly put up a long fight....

The US has spent 10 years fighting in Afghanistan, has it not?

[Imperial Nilfgaard]

Let's not get ahead of ourselves. There is a big difference between threats and action, particularly from Iran.

True, true. I was mostly being facetious. But this is the Middle East. It's incredibly politically and militarily volatile, and a single spark, intentional or unintentional, could light the fuse...

A regional war certainly seems possible. Hell, there is an argument to be made that there is already a regional war by proxy being fought in Syria. However a world war would require one or more of the Great Powers fighting each other openly. Thats not about to happen. Russia and China may support Assad, but they will not fight for him against NATO.

[Thanatttynia]

Ah. This day was inevitable, was it not?
This will not end well.

[The Republic of Lanos]

If Iran commands Hezbollah to attack Israel, Lebanon's fucked. They sure as hell don't like Hezbollah going into Syria. Just wait until they start getting IDF bombings because that out-of-date resistance organization, that Lebanon's President and others called for its weapons to be rolled into the army, decided to rocket Israel because the US hit Syria.

[Vazdania]

Such a localized coalition of states would hardly put up a long fight....

The US has spent 10 years fighting in Afghanistan, has it not?

fighting "terrorists"

[The Scientific States]

Well I think we can all agree that military intervention is a really really bad idea.

[Souriya Al-Assad]

The US has spent 10 years fighting in Afghanistan, has it not?

fighting "terrorists"

More like fighting its own creation. (Ironic)

[Rawrckia]

Huh, I didn't know that the government didn't control it. I'll keep note of that for the future.

Regardless though, there's still no reason for Assad to use chemical arms when he is very clearly winning the war through conventional means

Is he? His regime controls many of the larger cities, but the countryside isn't friendly terrain for Assad loyalists. While Homs seems to be settling into Assad's control again, Aleppo seems to have all but fallen to the rebels, who finally took Menagh Air Base after a months-long siege (I must, as a side note, compliment the defenders for holding out so long) as well as taking Khanasir, which controls the road that was the government's last remaining supply route into Aleppo.

I don't think it's at all clear that he's winning the war conventionally. Mind you, I also don't think it's at all clear that he's losing it conventionally.

and knows the UN and NATO are constantly looking over his shoulder to see if he's crossed the "red line".

True - a rational Assad won't use chemical weapons under the present circumstances. But war has been known to do strange things to people, so I can't definitively rule it out either.

Apologies on not replying earlier, had to take a phone call then ate dinner.
Yeah, I realize things aren't looking good for the SAA in Aleppo at the moment.
What about the first instance of chemical attacks though? Assad was winning at that point iirc.

[Souriya Al-Assad]

If Iran commands Hezbollah to attack Israel, Lebanon's fucked. They sure as hell don't like Hezbollah going into Syria. Just wait until they start getting IDF bombings because that out-of-date resistance organization, that Lebanon's President and others called for its weapons to be rolled into the army, decided to rocket Israel because the US hit Syria.

All Putin needs to do is give Hezbollah, or Syria, or the LCP, or the SSNP, or Amal, or even Iran as well as the Palestinian PFLP, DFLP, PDFLP, PPS, IJ groups some 9-123M Kristanthema anti-armour guided missiles, the Israeli Merkavas are finished. Then if Russia has S-400s on the ground to complement Syrian S-300PMU2s, imperialist elite air power is done for.

Is he? His regime controls many of the larger cities, but the countryside isn't friendly terrain for Assad loyalists. While Homs seems to be settling into Assad's control again, Aleppo seems to have all but fallen to the rebels, who finally took Menagh Air Base after a months-long siege (I must, as a side note, compliment the defenders for holding out so long) as well as taking Khanasir, which controls the road that was the government's last remaining supply route into Aleppo.

I don't think it's at all clear that he's winning the war conventionally. Mind you, I also don't think it's at all clear that he's losing it conventionally.



True - a rational Assad won't use chemical weapons under the present circumstances. But war has been known to do strange things to people, so I can't definitively rule it out either.

Apologies on not replying earlier, had to take a phone call then ate dinner.
Yeah, I realize things aren't looking good for the SAA in Aleppo at the moment.
What about the first instance of chemical attacks though? Assad was winning at that point iirc.

In Aleppo these "rebels" placed the city's inhabitants' under brutal siege to famish them into surrender, the same is being utilised elsewhere in the said governorate, however the Syrian Arab Army is mobilising en masse for Operation Northern Storm, a counter-offencive aimed at defeating the death squads there.

[The Republic of Lanos]

If Iran commands Hezbollah to attack Israel, Lebanon's fucked. They sure as hell don't like Hezbollah going into Syria. Just wait until they start getting IDF bombings because that out-of-date resistance organization, that Lebanon's President and others called for its weapons to be rolled into the army, decided to rocket Israel because the US hit Syria.

All Putin needs to do is give Hezbollah, or Syria, or the LCP, or the SSNP, or Amal, or even Iran as well as the Palestinian PFLP, DFLP, PDFLP, PPS, IJ groups some 9-123M Kristanthema anti-armour guided missiles, the Israeli Merkavas are finished. Then if Russia has S-400s on the ground to complement Syrian S-300PMU2s, imperialist elite air power is done for.

How many times are we going to go over the fact that Israel won't let this arms transfer happen if they find out it's happening?

[Souriya Al-Assad]

All Putin needs to do is give Hezbollah, or Syria, or the LCP, or the SSNP, or Amal, or even Iran as well as the Palestinian PFLP, DFLP, PDFLP, PPS, IJ groups some 9-123M Kristanthema anti-armour guided missiles, the Israeli Merkavas are finished. Then if Russia has S-400s on the ground to complement Syrian S-300PMU2s, imperialist elite air power is done for.

How many times are we going to go over the fact that Israel won't let this arms transfer happen if they find out it's happening?

If Putin learns to grow some real combat courage, not even Tel Aviv would scare him nor the Russian Armed Forces. Just as in good old Soviet times where they armed the PFLP with weapons.

Edit: I think it is also worthy to mention that it is alleged Hezbollah has captured (back in 2006) IDF equipment, including a few Merkavas, within in its arsenal, along Soviet, Russian, Iranian weaponry, as well as Chinese missiles from Syria & Iran. It does furthermore have 40 000 - 65 000 personnel in its ranks too. It is definitely a force to increasingly reckon with.