The Official Syria (and all things about it) Thread

[Umbradge]

In Syria, Syrians killed Syrians, so now we have to go to war with Syria and kill Syrians to send a message to Syrians that killing Syrians is bad.

Jokes aside though, we shouldn't intervene or support either side. Sure Assad needs to be punished, but that is what the international law is for. If we do this we eliminate theWorld Assembly's I mean the UN's authority in the world. It would wind up like the league of nations, having no power to stop Hitler and therefore WWII. If we do intervene, and the UN is shown to have no power to stop us, than who else will think "If he can do it so can I" How many dictators will annex each other because we "lead by example" in bypassing the UN? Will the UN suffer the same fate as the League of nations and have no choice but to be forgotten and replaced at the close of yet another World War? Will it be possible to replace the unifying government a second time? How many men and women will die in pointless wars that the UN fails to stop?

[Shiny Blood River]

A Clean Break: A New Strategy for Securing the Realm was written by Richard Perle for Benyamin Netanyahu. This is the closest amount of evidence you shall get for the Israeli part of the plot to Balkanise the Middle East.

Fucking this.
They are trying to break up traditionnal arab countries to turn them into islamic battlefields. Long term goal ? Putting in islamists in power, and then whining that their security is compromised and they must engage in preemptive wars against them.

[Souriya Al-Assad]

Fucking this.
They are trying to break up traditionnal arab countries to turn them into islamic battlefields. Long term goal ? Putting in islamists in power, and then whining that their security is compromised and they must engage in preemptive wars against them.

Well said. This is indeed the current destabilisation process in another exquisite nuke-shell summarisation.

[Costa Alegria]

I do not think so.

What you think and what is fact have been proven thus far in this thread to be two totally different things. Your conspiracy theories are not fact. My "denial" (or assertion of what is out there based on actual political situations in each respective country in the Middle East) is based on fact.

There is no plans for "Balkanisation". There is no Greater Middle East Project. Deal. With. It.

[Costa Alegria]

They are trying to break up traditionnal arab countries to turn them into islamic battlefields. Long term goal ? Putting in islamists in power, and then whining that their security is compromised and they must engage in preemptive wars against them.

"Traditional" Arab countries are byproducts of the colonial administrations that governed much of the Middle East during the period between the fall of the Ottoman Empire and the late 1940's when the majority of these states became independent. Countries like Syria and Jordan are the byproducts of this period and are not "traditional" in any sense.

As for your assumption that the US is trying to break up countries and turn them into Islamic battlefields, where is the American invasion of Saudi Arabia? Qatar? Bahrain?

[Souriya Al-Assad]

They are trying to break up traditionnal arab countries to turn them into islamic battlefields. Long term goal ? Putting in islamists in power, and then whining that their security is compromised and they must engage in preemptive wars against them.

"Traditional" Arab countries are byproducts of the colonial administrations that governed much of the Middle East during the period between the fall of the Ottoman Empire and the late 1940's when the majority of these states became independent. Countries like Syria and Jordan are the byproducts of this period and are not "traditional" in any sense.

As for your assumption that the US is trying to break up countries and turn them into Islamic battlefields, where is the American invasion of Saudi Arabia? Qatar? Bahrain?

Dear God, you do realise Saudi Arabia, Qatar as well as Bahrain are the muppets of our governments? They are the exceptions, never to be targeted by destabilisation.

Furthermore, in terms of these three countries, two of them are already facing real actual non-fomented revolutions from within. Saudi Arabia as well as Bahrain.

[Costa Alegria]

Dear God, you do realise Saudi Arabia, Qatar as well as Bahrain are the muppets of our governments?

You have no clue about what I believe do you? Go on. Make more random observations. Make yourself look like a bigger idiot than you currently do. It's entertaining.

They are the exceptions, never to be targeted by destabilisation.

Sure. /sarcasm

[Hathradic States]

I am so glad to see many people supporting the "Let's not invade" idea.

[Dread Lady Nathicana]

Greater Middle East Project?

It's a conspiracy theory and you know it. How big of an idiot do you need to be in order to look at the "Greater Middle East Project" and think "yep, that's happening alright".

Come back and talk when your head isn't full of shit please.

*** Warned *** for the flaming. Perhaps you should come back when you can debate more civilly.

[Costa Alegria]

I am so glad to see many people supporting the "Let's not invade" idea.

And what part of any plans the US had involved invading Syria in the first place?

[Oliver North]

Man, if I had sold those missiles to Syria like I planned...WOOH we would be in big trouble!

[Len Hyet]

"Traditional" Arab countries are byproducts of the colonial administrations that governed much of the Middle East during the period between the fall of the Ottoman Empire and the late 1940's when the majority of these states became independent. Countries like Syria and Jordan are the byproducts of this period and are not "traditional" in any sense.

As for your assumption that the US is trying to break up countries and turn them into Islamic battlefields, where is the American invasion of Saudi Arabia? Qatar? Bahrain?

Dear God, you do realise Saudi Arabia, Qatar as well as Bahrain are the muppets of our governments? They are the exceptions, never to be targeted by destabilisation.

Furthermore, in terms of these three countries, two of them are already facing real actual non-fomented revolutions from within. Saudi Arabia as well as Bahrain.

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[Kemalist]

I'm really fascinated by the efforts to present all those anti-government protesters as democracy and freedom fighters. As if they weren't actually enraged by Assad being an Alawite and secular-minded and they weren't asking for a strict Sharia law in Syria.

After all; those groups know well how to introduce themselves to the West. The Muslim Brotherhood's political party was named "Freedom and Justice Party". Ah, yes, justice, only for religious muslims, and freedom means freedom of beheading infidels, forcing women to wear hijabs, allowing men to have sex with their dead wives for up to six hours and legalizing child marriages.

Considering the Islamists have split with the FSA because the latter weren't interested in instituting Sharia, what makes you think all of the anti-government protesters were just racist Islamists?

Sorry for re-confuting this statement; but here's something new, from today.

http://www.interaksyon.com/article/7146 ... sharia-law

[The American Nuclear Fallout Zone]

We should help Assad wipe the Jihadists off the face of the Earth.

[The Nuclear Fist]

We should help Assad wipe the Jihadists off the face of the Earth.

Brilliant. Destroy the religious extremist elements of the rebels, then hand over billions in aid to the secular elements and let them destroy their dictator.

[Shofercia]

We should help Assad wipe the Jihadists off the face of the Earth.

Brilliant. Destroy the religious extremist elements of the rebels, then hand over billions in aid to the secular elements and let them destroy their dictator.

And where would these billions be coming from?

[Grand Britannia]

Brilliant. Destroy the religious extremist elements of the rebels, then hand over billions in aid to the secular elements and let them destroy their dictator.

And where would these billions be coming from?

Those taxpayer guys that are pissed off as it is.

[Shofercia]

And where would these billions be coming from?

Those taxpayer guys that are pissed off as it is.

Oh... yeah that. Billions on a plan that might or might not be successful, while infrastructure, education and healthcare are neglected...

[Imperial Nilfgaard]

We should help Assad wipe the Jihadists off the face of the Earth.

Indeed, we should just stay out of it and let Assad, with the help of Khamenei and Putin, finish the terrorists. A secular Syria is in everybodies interest but as usual Obama decides to fuck everything up with his failure to decisively pick a side, thus leaving people confused and bitter.

[The Nuclear Fist]

Brilliant. Destroy the religious extremist elements of the rebels, then hand over billions in aid to the secular elements and let them destroy their dictator.

And where would these billions be coming from?

I'd prefer it to be an international coalition of concerned nations, though that's unlikely.

[The Nuclear Fist]

We should help Assad wipe the Jihadists off the face of the Earth.

Indeed, we should just stay out of it and let Assad, with the help of Khamenei and Putin, finish the terrorists. A secular Syria is in everybodies interest but as usual Obama decides to fuck everything up with his failure to decisively pick a side, thus leaving people confused and bitter.

Syria isn't secular to begin with.

[Souriya Al-Assad]

Indeed, we should just stay out of it and let Assad, with the help of Khamenei and Putin, finish the terrorists. A secular Syria is in everybodies interest but as usual Obama decides to fuck everything up with his failure to decisively pick a side, thus leaving people confused and bitter.

Syria isn't secular to begin with.

Really? Just because its constitution has provisions for Sharia courts dealing with solely personal matters (not all aspects of law) this does not make Syria come anywhere close to the Khawarjite-derived Kings ruling the Gulf.

Dear God, you do realise Saudi Arabia, Qatar as well as Bahrain are the muppets of our governments? They are the exceptions, never to be targeted by destabilisation.

Furthermore, in terms of these three countries, two of them are already facing real actual non-fomented revolutions from within. Saudi Arabia as well as Bahrain.

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Sources are everywhere, including mass media. It should have been obvious to you by now that the Gulf are our NATO governments' best regional muppets besides Israel or Erdogan.

I do not think so.

What you think and what is fact have been proven thus far in this thread to be two totally different things. Your conspiracy theories are not fact. My "denial" (or assertion of what is out there based on actual political situations in each respective country in the Middle East) is based on fact.

There is no plans for "Balkanisation". There is no Greater Middle East Project. Deal. With. It.

Your "denial" is based upon established narratives.

The Middle East Project also exists, if you even took the time to read this, which was about the report written for Netanyahu's regime to utilise, by one of his aides in the 1990s period.

[Souriya Al-Assad]

Considering the Islamists have split with the FSA because the latter weren't interested in instituting Sharia, what makes you think all of the anti-government protesters were just racist Islamists?

Sorry for re-confuting this statement; but here's something new, from today.

http://www.interaksyon.com/article/7146 ... sharia-law

See? Since their intervention did not immediately come, the Qutbist insurgents are commencing to unravel their true faces.

[Costa Alegria]

The Middle East Project also exist.

No. It. Doesn't. Learn from your mistakes.

Just because its constitution has provisions for Sharia courts dealing with solely personal matters (not all aspects of law) this does not make Syria come anywhere close to the Khawarjite-derived Kings ruling the Gulf.

He wasn't comparing it to Saudi Arabia. He was saying it wasn't secular. And provisions for Sharia courts, who use religious law, is not an example of secularism.

[Souriya Al-Assad]

This too

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LOOL

When America is policing the world

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So bloody true

So many.

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Hahaha

This highlights the hypocrisy of our governments in the West

I'm sorry. So sorry. This made me laugh really hard.

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Indeed indeed.

The Middle East Project also exist.

No. It. Doesn't. Learn from your mistakes.

Just because its constitution has provisions for Sharia courts dealing with solely personal matters (not all aspects of law) this does not make Syria come anywhere close to the Khawarjite-derived Kings ruling the Gulf.

He wasn't comparing it to Saudi Arabia. He was saying it wasn't secular. And provisions for Sharia courts, who use religious law, is not an example of secularism.

Learn from what mistakes? According to you reading the established narrative (the official lie or half-truth) is the way to get informed?

You also have yet to make a convincing argument besides simply posting ridicule attacks on me in my face.