The Official Syria (and all things about it) Thread

[Imperial Nilfgaard]

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/19/syrian-government-civil-war-stalemate

So, uh.. Ceasefire time.

retracted the next day.

[Souriya Al-Assad]

Oh, whilst here is another additional interesting development in this hiatus, the first time I see MSM post something like this really: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2008/a ... ctions2008

John Mcainiac caught getting improper Rothschild's donations...

And to think people believe the Rothschilds are an irrelevant relic from the 18th century...

I know right?

[Christmahanikwanzikah]

Yea. You should watch this interview of him on a secular nationalist Turkish channel. He also said some things about secularism here, as well as very good analysises about the region, Erdogan and the Western powers.

I saw that interview. As with all of his interviews, he provides good insights about the world we live in. A truly brilliant statesman.

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Oh, whilst here is another additional interesting development in this hiatus, the first time I see MSM post something like this really: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2008/a ... ctions2008

John Mcainiac caught getting improper Rothschild's donations...

... 5 years ago? Really?

[Vetalia]

... 5 years ago? Really?

I think it's safe to assume the powers involved have been planning for this situation for at least five years now.

[Souriya Al-Assad]

... 5 years ago? Really?

I think it's safe to assume the powers involved have been planning for this situation for at least five years now.

Not to mention that American general Wesley Clark admitting to the fact of which Syria was part of an old "list".

Oh, here is something.

[Frisivisia]

... 5 years ago? Really?

I think it's safe to assume the powers involved have been planning for this situation for at least five years now.

And I think it's safe to assume that Jesus is real and communicates through sticking a fork in the toaster, now we both have ridiculous claims with no evidence.

[Souriya Al-Assad]

I think it's safe to assume the powers involved have been planning for this situation for at least five years now.

And I think it's safe to assume that Jesus is real and communicates through sticking a fork in the toaster, now we both have ridiculous claims with no evidence.

Mr Biden, The Rothschild's as well as their diasporas are real. Even Guardian says so.

[God Kefka]

Now I am asking this in all real honesty...

Why should I (or anyone else living in the West) CARE if some random dictator in some far away third world desert hell hole oppresses his subjects?

How does this affect us precisely? It doesn't. His actions don't hurt or threaten Europe or North America; its the Syrian's problem not ours. Hence it's none of our business... we have no self-interest getting involved there at all.

Why should we send our kids to die in someone else's war in a place far away? Why should we pay millions/billions of dollars potentially to fight for other people's human rights?

Would that not be kind of stupid?

[Luveria]

Now I am asking this in all real honesty...

Why should I (or anyone else living in the West) CARE if some random dictator in some far away third world desert hell hole oppresses his subjects?

How does this affect us precisely? It doesn't. His actions don't hurt or threaten Europe or North America; its the Syrian's problem not ours. Hence it's none of our business... we have no self-interest getting involved there at all.

Why should we send our kids to die in someone else's war in a place far away? Why should we pay millions/billions of dollars potentially to fight for other people's human rights?

Would that not be kind of stupid?

You're so different now.

[Finium]

Now I am asking this in all real honesty...

Why should I (or anyone else living in the West) CARE if some random dictator in some far away third world desert hell hole oppresses his subjects?

How does this affect us precisely? It doesn't. His actions don't hurt or threaten Europe or North America; its the Syrian's problem not ours. Hence it's none of our business... we have no self-interest getting involved there at all.

Why should we send our kids to die in someone else's war in a place far away? Why should we pay millions/billions of dollars potentially to fight for other people's human rights?

Would that not be kind of stupid?

Because we can.
Because we have.
Because screw common sense.


It may or may not be a little stupid.

[Danhanjeedh]

There we go...

http://rt.com/news/sexual-jihad-tunisia-syria-133/

[Saruhan]

http://world.time.com/2013/09/20/tunisian-women-go-on-sex-jihad-to-syria-minister-says/

What the fuck.

Why.

Why can't Christians get something like this.

Seriously thought, this is fucked up.

[The Godly Nations]

Now I am asking this in all real honesty...

Why should I (or anyone else living in the West) CARE if some random dictator in some far away third world desert hell hole oppresses his subjects?

How does this affect us precisely? It doesn't. His actions don't hurt or threaten Europe or North America; its the Syrian's problem not ours. Hence it's none of our business... we have no self-interest getting involved there at all.

Why should we send our kids to die in someone else's war in a place far away? Why should we pay millions/billions of dollars potentially to fight for other people's human rights?

Would that not be kind of stupid?

Martin Luther King, Jr. had a nice quote on this subject, I believe, in his famous 'Letter from a Birmingham Jail', which, being so often repeated in the Primers of our schools, need not be repeated here.

[God Kefka]

Now I am asking this in all real honesty...

Why should I (or anyone else living in the West) CARE if some random dictator in some far away third world desert hell hole oppresses his subjects?

How does this affect us precisely? It doesn't. His actions don't hurt or threaten Europe or North America; its the Syrian's problem not ours. Hence it's none of our business... we have no self-interest getting involved there at all.

Why should we send our kids to die in someone else's war in a place far away? Why should we pay millions/billions of dollars potentially to fight for other people's human rights?

Would that not be kind of stupid?

Martin Luther King, Jr. had a nice quote on this subject, I believe, in his famous 'Letter from a Birmingham Jail', which, being so often repeated in the Primers of our schools, need not be repeated here.

Luther never believed in violence to solve problems...

[The Godly Nations]

Martin Luther King, Jr. had a nice quote on this subject, I believe, in his famous 'Letter from a Birmingham Jail', which, being so often repeated in the Primers of our schools, need not be repeated here.

Luther never believed in violence to solve problems...

No, he didn't, but sometimes violence is the only way to stop injustice.

[God Kefka]

Luther never believed in violence to solve problems...

No, he didn't, but sometimes violence is the only way to stop injustice.

But why should we as outsiders decide which side is ''just'' in this Syrian war? It seems to me that it's the usual Third World power grab contest...

Sure maybe one side gassed the other side. But that doesn't suddenly turn the other side into the Rebels in Star Wars or something.

Also... why should send our people to die in their war? It's not our war and it doesn't have to be.

[The Godly Nations]

No, he didn't, but sometimes violence is the only way to stop injustice.

But why should we as outsiders decide which side is ''just'' in this Syrian war? It seems to me that it's the usual Third World power grab contest...

Sure maybe one side gassed the other side. But that doesn't suddenly turn the other side into the Rebels in Star Wars or something.

Also... why should send our people to die in their war? It's not our war and it doesn't have to be.

So long as Adolph Hitler didn't cross the Atlantic to personally kill Americans, we should be fine with him gassing Jews. You may point out that we did, indeed, do that, and the end result is six million Jews, and several million more in Poles, Gypsies, etc. were killed off by that regime. Apathy is not a viable option in any way.

[Luveria]

But why should we as outsiders decide which side is ''just'' in this Syrian war? It seems to me that it's the usual Third World power grab contest...

Sure maybe one side gassed the other side. But that doesn't suddenly turn the other side into the Rebels in Star Wars or something.

Also... why should send our people to die in their war? It's not our war and it doesn't have to be.

So long as Adolph Hitler didn't cross the Atlantic to personally kill Americans, we should be fine with him gassing Jews. You may point out that we did, indeed, do that, and the end result is six million Jews, and several million more in Poles, Gypsies, etc. were killed off by that regime. Apathy is not a viable option in any way.

This is a different situation. It's not a valid comparison. You have the dictatorial Assad with Sharia courts, vs the equally religious FSA backed by the US who also hate the US but really just want Assad gone, vs the Islamists. None of them of are US friendly. The only possible benefit to the US is dragging the civil war on as long as possible by funding the FSA because Al-Qaeda is forced to divert all resources into Syria. You're probably aware the vast majority of fighters on the Islamist side are foreigners.

[Geilinor]

No, he didn't, but sometimes violence is the only way to stop injustice.

Sure maybe one side gassed the other side.

Something which is illegal under international law. I'm sure the argument "Why should we care if some people were gassed?" was used against the prosecution of leading Nazis as well.

[Geilinor]

So long as Adolph Hitler didn't cross the Atlantic to personally kill Americans, we should be fine with him gassing Jews. You may point out that we did, indeed, do that, and the end result is six million Jews, and several million more in Poles, Gypsies, etc. were killed off by that regime. Apathy is not a viable option in any way.

This is a different situation. It's not a valid comparison. You have the dictatorial Assad with Sharia courts, vs the equally religious FSA backed by the US who also hate the US but really just want Assad gone, vs the Islamists. None of them of are US friendly.

The FSA and Al-Qaeda are fighting each other. That means that the FSA isn't radical(most of them aren't). http://articles.latimes.com/2013/sep/12/world/la-fg-syria-fsa-alqaeda-20130912

[The Godly Nations]

So long as Adolph Hitler didn't cross the Atlantic to personally kill Americans, we should be fine with him gassing Jews. You may point out that we did, indeed, do that, and the end result is six million Jews, and several million more in Poles, Gypsies, etc. were killed off by that regime. Apathy is not a viable option in any way.

This is a different situation. It's not a valid comparison. You have the dictatorial Assad with Sharia courts, vs the equally religious FSA backed by the US who also hate the US but really just want Assad gone, vs the Islamists. None of them of are US friendly. The only possible benefit to the US is dragging the civil war on as long as possible by funding the FSA because Al-Qaeda is forced to divert all resources into Syria. You're probably aware the vast majority of fighters on the Islamist side are foreigners.

We were arguing in general terms- he asked, 'why should I give a damn if there is suffering somewhere else, it isn't my problem.' to which I responded with that example.

[Luveria]

This is a different situation. It's not a valid comparison. You have the dictatorial Assad with Sharia courts, vs the equally religious FSA backed by the US who also hate the US but really just want Assad gone, vs the Islamists. None of them of are US friendly.

The FSA and Al-Qaeda are fighting each other. That means that the FSA isn't radical(most of them aren't). http://articles.latimes.com/2013/sep/12/world/la-fg-syria-fsa-alqaeda-20130912

But you must admit, sectarianism is increasingly common among the FSA, especially the hatred against Alawites. At first it was nothing more than pro-democracy protests against Assad. It has eventually become a sectarian war, with Assad's strength being defending religious pluralism as the religious minorities increasingly view him as their only hope against the Sunni rebels.

This is a different situation. It's not a valid comparison. You have the dictatorial Assad with Sharia courts, vs the equally religious FSA backed by the US who also hate the US but really just want Assad gone, vs the Islamists. None of them of are US friendly. The only possible benefit to the US is dragging the civil war on as long as possible by funding the FSA because Al-Qaeda is forced to divert all resources into Syria. You're probably aware the vast majority of fighters on the Islamist side are foreigners.

We were arguing in general terms- he asked, 'why should I give a damn if there is suffering somewhere else, it isn't my problem.' to which I responded with that example.

Sure, but it's still not a relevant example. As I've said, it's arguably in the USA's best interests to prolong the Syrian war as long as possible because it forces Al-Qaeda to attack the Syrian state, both of which the USA is hostile to.

[Zebulor]

But why should we as outsiders decide which side is ''just'' in this Syrian war? It seems to me that it's the usual Third World power grab contest...

Sure maybe one side gassed the other side. But that doesn't suddenly turn the other side into the Rebels in Star Wars or something.

Also... why should send our people to die in their war? It's not our war and it doesn't have to be.

So long as Adolph Hitler didn't cross the Atlantic to personally kill Americans, we should be fine with him gassing Jews. You may point out that we did, indeed, do that, and the end result is six million Jews, and several million more in Poles, Gypsies, etc. were killed off by that regime. Apathy is not a viable option in any way.

The allies did not fight WWII in order to stop or prevent the holocaust. When Hitler declared war on the US, his policies regarding non-Aryans weren't really on our minds.

[The Godly Nations]

So long as Adolph Hitler didn't cross the Atlantic to personally kill Americans, we should be fine with him gassing Jews. You may point out that we did, indeed, do that, and the end result is six million Jews, and several million more in Poles, Gypsies, etc. were killed off by that regime. Apathy is not a viable option in any way.

The allies did not fight WWII in order to stop or prevent the holocaust. When Hitler declared war on the US, his policies regarding non-Aryans weren't really on our minds.

...You may point out that we did, indeed, do that, and the end result is six million Jews, and several million more in Poles, Gypsies, etc. were killed off by that regime. Apathy is not a viable option in any way.

[Souriya Al-Assad]

This is a different situation. It's not a valid comparison. You have the dictatorial Assad with Sharia courts, vs the equally religious FSA backed by the US who also hate the US but really just want Assad gone, vs the Islamists. None of them of are US friendly.

The FSA and Al-Qaeda are fighting each other. That means that the FSA isn't radical(most of them aren't). http://articles.latimes.com/2013/sep/12/world/la-fg-syria-fsa-alqaeda-20130912

This means nothing at all. According to the British study most of the FSA is Khawarji minded too. The sole likely reason behind the split is for PR purposes to make the public think the FSA is "not" al-Qaeda.

Past pro-Qaeda statements from the FSA's officers prove my point too, including a most recent development: http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=947_1379768390

Where the FSA are declaring through their twisted pseudo-Sharia courts that they will force even more people into their false "jihad".