The Official Syria (and all things about it) Thread

[Frisivisia]

Christians are worth more than others?

I think he's talking about the targeted killings part, which I also hear is a no no in UN land.

I have yet to see a source, and I doubt I'll see a source that it's all rebel groups doing this.

Of course, it does nothing to the fact that Assad gassed civilians, a decidedly douchey thing to do.

[Warda]

I think the rebels used the chemical weapons and then they pointed the finger to Assad.

Got any evidence?

Do you?

[Dangelia]

I think the rebels used the chemical weapons and then they pointed the finger to Assad.

Doubt it.

It's extremely likely that Assad used chemical weapons against his own people.

Why would Assad use chemical weapons on his own people.
First of all he knows that America would take charge if he used chemical weapons.
And second, if you're going to use them, use them on the rebels.

[Democratic Koyro]

I don't support the rebels either. Another reason I don't want to intervene.

But chemical weapons against ordinary people? That is a problem, but it is one we shouldn't solve with military force and more weapons.

I think the rebels used the chemical weapons and then they pointed the finger to Assad.

Probably. Can't see any motive the legitimate government could have. The rebels have a strong motive, and have used such weapons before, according to UN investigators anyway.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZAT9z278kTc

[Orcoa]

If Assad is evil, than the rebelion us demonic. They kill, exil, and kidnap Christians.

I don't support the rebels either. Another reason I don't want to intervene.

But chemical weapons against ordinary people? That is a problem, but it is one we shouldn't solve with military force and more weapons.

Although I wouldn't say the rebels are demonic. They don't kill Christians.

If the UN does not want to keep Governments from using Chemical weapons that are agasint Laws that they made, then I can understand why our government wants to at lest pay lip service to those laws and enforce them.

[Shofercia]

For some who are anti-war, yes it is I guess

I'm as anti-war as the next guy, but I also happen to be anti use of chemical weapons on civilians as well.

Then present evidence as to who used them, evidence that's beyond a reasonable doubt. Apparently when America bombs it's not "innocent before guitly," it's "guilty cause we say so!" The problem with that precedent, is that the top dogs can change. And you really want to hand that precedent to China, Joe?

[Dangelia]

I think he's talking about the targeted killings part, which I also hear is a no no in UN land.

I have yet to see a source, and I doubt I'll see a source that it's all rebel groups doing this.

Of course, it does nothing to the fact that Assad gassed civilians, a decidedly douchey thing to do.

Assad granted Christians freedom to worship.

[The Scientific States]

Doubt it.

It's extremely likely that Assad used chemical weapons against his own people.

Why would Assad use chemical weapons on his own people.
First of all he knows that America would take charge if he used chemical weapons.
And second, if you're going to use them, use them on the rebels.

Why? Maybe because of the mass protests and the civil war in Syria where the rebels are trying to take over.

[Blasveck]

Got any evidence?

Do you?

He made the claim first.

He provides the evidence first.

That how debate works.

[Srboslavija]

Video proof that John Kerry is actually a reptoid

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MbvzWh5r6PU

[The Scientific States]

I have yet to see a source, and I doubt I'll see a source that it's all rebel groups doing this.

Of course, it does nothing to the fact that Assad gassed civilians, a decidedly douchey thing to do.

Assad granted Christians freedom to worship.

So?

[Frisivisia]

Christians are worth more than others?

They were killing Christians, just because they're Christians. That's pretty evil.

I'm going to need a source that it happened and a source that it's every single rebel group and not a particularly bad outlier. As it would turn out, largely unorganized rebel groups are not monolithic.

[Orcoa]

Not a bad thing, to each person's own.

Me? I guess I'm more anti-useless wars but not agasint War itself.

I see where you're coming from.

My family has a long history with the military so I understand a thing or two about War and how it can be used for both legitimate problems or be used to further the greed of groups of people that have a say in the military.

[Democratic Koyro]

Why would Assad use chemical weapons on his own people.
First of all he knows that America would take charge if he used chemical weapons.
And second, if you're going to use them, use them on the rebels.

Why? Maybe because of the mass protests and the civil war in Syria where the rebels are trying to take over.

"lul, i'm winning a civil war through conventional means and the west can do shit all to stop me, better use chemical weapons to give them a reason to stop me!!"

- yeah, great motive. Rebels have used chemical weapons before

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZAT9z278kTc (BBC)

[Frisivisia]

I'm as anti-war as the next guy, but I also happen to be anti use of chemical weapons on civilians as well.

Then present evidence as to who used them, evidence that's beyond a reasonable doubt. Apparently when America bombs it's not "innocent before guitly," it's "guilty cause we say so!" The problem with that precedent, is that the top dogs can change. And you really want to hand that precedent to China, Joe?

Do you seriously doubt international intelligence? Do you seriously think that John fucking Kerry and President Obama are hawks?

Fucking bullshit.

[Dangelia]

They were killing Christians, just because they're Christians. That's pretty evil.

I'm going to need a source that it happened and a source that it's every single rebel group and not a particularly bad outlier. As it would turn out, largely unorganized rebel groups are not monolithic.

http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/securit ... tails.html

Two bishops were kidnapped by the rebels.

[The Scientific States]

I see where you're coming from.

My family has a long history with the military so I understand a thing or two about War and how it can be used for both legitimate problems or be used to further the greed of groups of people that have a say in the military.

Exactly. Some wars can be justified, some can not be justified.

[Regnum Dominae]

What happened?

I haven't been able to catch up.

Some bad shit happened.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142 ... 82120.html

Senate has backed a resolution to use force against Syria, we took a huge step to military action today.

Good, good, good.

[The Republic of Lanos]

Then present evidence as to who used them, evidence that's beyond a reasonable doubt. Apparently when America bombs it's not "innocent before guitly," it's "guilty cause we say so!" The problem with that precedent, is that the top dogs can change. And you really want to hand that precedent to China, Joe?

Do you seriously doubt international intelligence? Do you seriously think that John fucking Kerry and President Obama are hawks?

Fucking bullshit.

So does the boss want to strike or not?

[The Scientific States]

I'm going to need a source that it happened and a source that it's every single rebel group and not a particularly bad outlier. As it would turn out, largely unorganized rebel groups are not monolithic.

http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/securit ... tails.html

Two bishops were kidnapped by the rebels.

Thousands of civilians were killed by chemical weapons.

Your point?

[Frisivisia]

Why? Maybe because of the mass protests and the civil war in Syria where the rebels are trying to take over.

"lul, i'm winning a civil war through conventional means and the west can do shit all to stop me, better use chemical weapons to give them a reason to stop me!!"

- yeah, great motive. Rebels have used chemical weapons before

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZAT9z278kTc (BBC)

That's an old report. Current intelligence and the common sense that rebels don't have the equipment for it suggests that that's wrong.

[Frisivisia]

Do you seriously doubt international intelligence? Do you seriously think that John fucking Kerry and President Obama are hawks?

Fucking bullshit.

So does the boss want to strike or not?

I sure hope he will. Can't have motherfuckers gassing people.

[The Scientific States]

Some bad shit happened.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142 ... 82120.html

Senate has backed a resolution to use force against Syria, we took a huge step to military action today.

Good, good, good.

No, not good.

Although I do support some consequences for the Syrian Government, and war should be last resort.

[Blasveck]

I'm going to need a source that it happened and a source that it's every single rebel group and not a particularly bad outlier. As it would turn out, largely unorganized rebel groups are not monolithic.

http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/securit ... tails.html

Two bishops were kidnapped by the rebels.

So now ALL the rebels hate Christians?

Fucking hell.

[Frisivisia]

I'm going to need a source that it happened and a source that it's every single rebel group and not a particularly bad outlier. As it would turn out, largely unorganized rebel groups are not monolithic.

http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/securit ... tails.html

Two bishops were kidnapped by the rebels.

My post had two sentences. Can you remind me what the second one was?