Booze and Rape

[New England and The Maritimes]

Care to elaborate?

What if you're sober and she's all happy with it, but, come the morning, all of a sudden she's not happy about it?

In the realm of human experience, what usually happens is you have an awkward conversation and go home and the two of you don't associate anymore.

[The Rich Port]

What if you're sober and she's all happy with it, but, come the morning, all of a sudden she's not happy about it?

In the realm of human experience, what usually happens is you have an awkward conversation and go home and the two of you don't associate anymore.

... Or you're accused of date rape.

And will most likely be convicted of it.

Rightfully so, according to your standard.

[Forsakia]

Care to elaborate?

What if you're sober and she's all happy with it, but, come the morning, all of a sudden she's not happy about it?

You can't go back in time and unconsent to something you consented to while doing it.

(I was talking in terms of defining rape, to be clear).

[The Rich Port]

What if you're sober and she's all happy with it, but, come the morning, all of a sudden she's not happy about it?

You can't go back in time and unconsent to something you consented to while doing it.

(I was talking in terms of defining rape, to be clear).

You can if you couldn't consent at the time. Being drunk is considered that.

[The Union of the West]

If you both consent then it's legal. (My advice is stop drinking and get a job )

I'm drinking and not working so I can get a job.

That's what college IS.

And yet youre spending your time drinking, so is college the place for you?

[New England and The Maritimes]

In the realm of human experience, what usually happens is you have an awkward conversation and go home and the two of you don't associate anymore.

... Or you're accused of date rape.

And will most likely be convicted of it.

Rightfully so, according to your standard.

No, not really, considering "false accusations" make up about 2% of all cases and convictions average 3% anyway. As a man, being accused or convicted of rape is something I know for a fact I will probably never have to worry about, ever.

[Fartsniffage]

Which is a very easy rule to follow when you're sober. When you're drunk the lines tend to blur a little....

If you feel like you have to ask yourself whether or not it's ok, you are better off going home by yourself.

Am I the only only who's got drunk with someone and then slept with them and feels okay about it?

[Vazdania]

Being a college student as I am, booze and sex are constants in your life. At parties, at home, at bars, designated sober drivers shuttle me and many others like me to our beds, where we may sleep it off.

Often, the two combine, sometimes for better, but sometimes for worse. Acquaintance rape is on the rise, and has been for a while. I've been worrying about falling into it, and often just go to bars to drink, not to pick up chicks or even socialize. I would much rather avoid hurting someone and subsequently hurting myself with jail.

One question that has plagued me is this: if I'm drunk, and the girl I have sex with is drunk, is it rape?

The stereotypical acquaintance rape is when a man intoxicates a woman with a narcotic, directly or indirectly, to take advantage of her.

So, I ask: if both parties are drunk, is it double rape? Is rape nullified? Should either party report the other to the police? Should both parties be put in jail?

.....I dislike your assumption and implication that all College students drink and have sex....

[New England and The Maritimes]

You can't go back in time and unconsent to something you consented to while doing it.

(I was talking in terms of defining rape, to be clear).

You can if you couldn't consent at the time. Being drunk is considered that.

No. Being so drunk you cannot function properly is considered that. There's a line that reasonable people can draw.

[The Rich Port]

I'm drinking and not working so I can get a job.

That's what college IS.

And yet youre spending your time drinking, so is college the place for you?

You're assuming I'm an alcoholic.

Thanks for the vote of confidence.

... Or you're accused of date rape.

And will most likely be convicted of it.

Rightfully so, according to your standard.

No, not really, considering "false accusations" make up about 2% of all cases and convictions average 3% anyway. As a man, being accused or convicted of rape is something I know for a fact I will probably never have to worry about, ever.

Here's to hoping, I guess.

[Forsakia]

You can't go back in time and unconsent to something you consented to while doing it.

(I was talking in terms of defining rape, to be clear).

You can if you couldn't consent at the time. Being drunk is considered that.

"Drunk" is a very wide term, sleeping with someone after a beer or two obviously isn't rape. When they're too drunk to know their own name obviously is rape.

"Knows what's going on" was my shorthand for explaining that.

[Quintium]

.....I dislike your assumption and implication that all College students drink and have sex....

It's hurtful to those who can't drink because of their religion. Or those who are using medication that, for one reason or another, doesn't work well with alcohol. Or those who can't get laid. Or puritans.

[Vazdania]

You can if you couldn't consent at the time. Being drunk is considered that.

"Drunk" is a very wide term, sleeping with someone after a beer or two obviously isn't rape. When they're too drunk to know their own name obviously is rape.

"Knows what's going on" was my shorthand for explaining that.

aren't you considered drunk when you are at .08 blood alcohol level???

[New England and The Maritimes]

"Drunk" is a very wide term, sleeping with someone after a beer or two obviously isn't rape. When they're too drunk to know their own name obviously is rape.

"Knows what's going on" was my shorthand for explaining that.

aren't you considered drunk when you are at .08 blood alcohol level???

No. You're considered to have impaired motor function to a point that precludes you from driving safely unless proven otherwise.

[The Rich Port]

Being a college student as I am, booze and sex are constants in your life. At parties, at home, at bars, designated sober drivers shuttle me and many others like me to our beds, where we may sleep it off.

Often, the two combine, sometimes for better, but sometimes for worse. Acquaintance rape is on the rise, and has been for a while. I've been worrying about falling into it, and often just go to bars to drink, not to pick up chicks or even socialize. I would much rather avoid hurting someone and subsequently hurting myself with jail.

One question that has plagued me is this: if I'm drunk, and the girl I have sex with is drunk, is it rape?

The stereotypical acquaintance rape is when a man intoxicates a woman with a narcotic, directly or indirectly, to take advantage of her.

So, I ask: if both parties are drunk, is it double rape? Is rape nullified? Should either party report the other to the police? Should both parties be put in jail?

.....I dislike your assumption and implication that all College students drink and have sex....

Vaz... You're a Fundamentalist Protestant Asexual.

.....I dislike your assumption and implication that all College students drink and have sex....

It's hurtful to those who can't drink because of their religion. Or those who are using medication that, for one reason or another, doesn't work well with alcohol. Or those who can't get laid. Or puritans.

Huh.

I was taking cold medicine recently that didn't allow me to drink.

I guess I should be offended by myself.

[Forsakia]

"Drunk" is a very wide term, sleeping with someone after a beer or two obviously isn't rape. When they're too drunk to know their own name obviously is rape.

"Knows what's going on" was my shorthand for explaining that.

aren't you considered drunk when you are at .08 blood alcohol level???

I don't think it's a blanket definition (I assume that's the drink driving limit in the states?).

[Kinnickinee]

Being a college student as I am, booze and sex are constants in your life. At parties, at home, at bars, designated sober drivers shuttle me and many others like me to our beds, where we may sleep it off.

Often, the two combine, sometimes for better, but sometimes for worse. Acquaintance rape is on the rise, and has been for a while. I've been worrying about falling into it, and often just go to bars to drink, not to pick up chicks or even socialize. I would much rather avoid hurting someone and subsequently hurting myself with jail.

One question that has plagued me is this: if I'm drunk, and the girl I have sex with is drunk, is it rape?

The stereotypical acquaintance rape is when a man intoxicates a woman with a narcotic, directly or indirectly, to take advantage of her.

So, I ask: if both parties are drunk, is it double rape? Is rape nullified? Should either party report the other to the police? Should both parties be put in jail?

By the letter of the law, both are technically guilty of rape, and victims of it.

However, if you're watching Law and Order: Special Victims Unit, then only the male participant is guilty. Not kidding, saw an episode recently with the same issue. Their position was that the male was responsible for his actions, and the female was not, despite both being intoxicated. I've also seen instances recently of other people sharing the "male is guilty" viewpoint of this issue on NationStates threads...

So while according to the law, both is guilty, I think there is a social stigma that says the male is the one who took advantage of the other in the "both are drunk" situation, and thus he is the guilty one.

[The Rich Port]

You can if you couldn't consent at the time. Being drunk is considered that.

No. Being so drunk you cannot function properly is considered that. There's a line that reasonable people can draw.

Are you seriously assuming that Floridians can be reasonable or are regularly reasonable?

[Fartsniffage]

aren't you considered drunk when you are at .08 blood alcohol level???

I don't think it's a blanket definition (I assume that's the drink driving limit in the states?).

Perhaps every male should carry something they can ask potential sexual partners to blow.

Just to check their BAC, you know....

[Vazdania]

.....I dislike your assumption and implication that all College students drink and have sex....

Vaz... You're a Fundamentalist Protestant Asexual.

I'm not really considered Protestant....just FYI.... But yes....

[New England and The Maritimes]

No. Being so drunk you cannot function properly is considered that. There's a line that reasonable people can draw.

Are you seriously assuming that Floridians can be reasonable or are regularly reasonable?

I'm talking theory, man! You and me both know that in Florida you're gambling with your life at every moment!

[The Union of the West]

When "booze and sex are constants in your life," I think its pretty reasonable to assume you're an alcoholic.

[Valkalan]

Being a college student as I am, booze and sex are constants in your life. At parties, at home, at bars, designated sober drivers shuttle me and many others like me to our beds, where we may sleep it off.

Often, the two combine, sometimes for better, but sometimes for worse. Acquaintance rape is on the rise, and has been for a while. I've been worrying about falling into it, and often just go to bars to drink, not to pick up chicks or even socialize. I would much rather avoid hurting someone and subsequently hurting myself with jail.

One question that has plagued me is this: if I'm drunk, and the girl I have sex with is drunk, is it rape?

The stereotypical acquaintance rape is when a man intoxicates a woman with a narcotic, directly or indirectly, to take advantage of her.

So, I ask: if both parties are drunk, is it double rape? Is rape nullified? Should either party report the other to the police? Should both parties be put in jail?

Just avoid sex while you and the chick(s) (or dudes if that's what you prefer) are drunk. It's safe.

[Quintium]

Perhaps every male should carry something they can ask potential sexual partners to blow.

Men do generally carry something between their legs that their potential sexual partners can blow. Didn't you pay attention during sex ed?

[The Scientific States]

If the girl consented to have sex with you, and you didn't drug her drink or anything then it's not rape.