Booze and Rape

[The Parkus Empire]

You can't order up a sex change in one day even if you're sober.

You're missing the point. A person shouldn't be able to consent to something that can have long term negative impacts while intoxicated.

You're free to tell me that, but if I'm intoxicated I'm not going to give a fuck what you say, I'm going to let an intoxicated woman blow me if she wants to. I'll enjoy it, she'l enjoy it, and you can continue to pout and call us victims all we want, but we'll just laugh at you.

[Zottistan]

A guy buying a candy bar isn't going to have lasting negative effects. Sex can cause pregnancy which either has long-term effects in it's own right or causes abortion, which can occasionally have lasting psychological damage. Let's say a guy, clearly pissed, offers you two hundred thousand euro for a yacht. Should you sell him the yacht?

Most often people aren't all ZOMG BABIES when it comes to sex because there are ways to prevent it...

Relying on drunk people to have safe sex isn't a bet I'd like to take. Especially when one is less drunk than the other, and possibly trying to take advantage of that fact.

[The Parkus Empire]

That's arbitrary.

That's arbitrary.

Poor people are not taught by society to view the rich as the voice of reason.

I would like to direct you to the entire Republican Party platform.

Rich people are taught by their society to see rich people as the voice of reason, then

[Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro]

Most often people aren't all ZOMG BABIES when it comes to sex because there are ways to prevent it...

Relying on drunk people to have safe sex isn't a bet I'd like to take. Especially when one is less drunk than the other, and possibly trying to take advantage of that fact.

For sure I would be ZOMG AIDS even if I was having a LSD or mushroom travel...

[Galloism]

I would like to direct you to the entire Republican Party platform.

Rich people are taught by their society to see rich people as the voice of reason, then

You do know that the south is primarily republican, and the south is also a lot poorer, right?

[Des-Bal]

That's arbitrary.

That's arbitrary.

Poor people are not taught by society to view the rich as the voice of reason.

You're talking about power.

A stupid person is beneath an intelligent people.

An awkward person is beneath a socially competent person.

A poor person is beneath a rich person.

[Zottistan]

You're missing the point. A person shouldn't be able to consent to something that can have long term negative impacts while intoxicated.

You're free to tell me that, but if I'm intoxicated I'm not going to give a fuck what you say, I'm going to let an intoxicated woman blow me if she wants to. I'll enjoy it, she'l enjoy it, and you can continue to pout and call us victims all we want, but we'll just laugh at you.

So informed consent isn't necessary to have sex with somebody. Lovely.

[The Parkus Empire]

A stupid person is beneath an intelligent people.

You're using stupid in an arbitrary sense.

An awkward person is beneath a socially competent person.

Those are, again, arbitrary distinctions. But if I manipulate a socially awkward person into sex with me, yeah that's rape ethically, but you can't codify it.

A poor person is beneath a rich person.

In status. That doesn't mean poor people are expected to view the rich as more logical.

[The Parkus Empire]

Rich people are taught by their society to see rich people as the voice of reason, then

You do know that the south is primarily republican, and the south is also a lot poorer, right?

Do the poor view the rich as the voice of reason? Are they trained to? Are the poor inherently easier to emotionally manipulate than the rich?

[The Parkus Empire]

You're free to tell me that, but if I'm intoxicated I'm not going to give a fuck what you say, I'm going to let an intoxicated woman blow me if she wants to. I'll enjoy it, she'l enjoy it, and you can continue to pout and call us victims all we want, but we'll just laugh at you.

So informed consent isn't necessary to have sex with somebody. Lovely.

Define "informed".

[Zottistan]

Relying on drunk people to have safe sex isn't a bet I'd like to take. Especially when one is less drunk than the other, and possibly trying to take advantage of that fact.

For sure I would be ZOMG AIDS even if I was having a LSD or mushroom travel...

Can you speak for everybody?

[Zottistan]

So informed consent isn't necessary to have sex with somebody. Lovely.

Define "informed".

Having reasonable risk assessment capabilities and foresight.

[Galloism]

You do know that the south is primarily republican, and the south is also a lot poorer, right?

Do the poor view the rich as the voice of reason? Are they trained to? Are the poor inherently easier to emotionally manipulate than the rich?

I think it's logical to conclude the poor are easier to manipulate by the rich in any given setting as compared to by another poor person.

Thanks to being able to buy all the drinks, having a standby limo, etc, they seem to have all the power and answers at their fingertips.

A lot of people find power attractive.

[The Parkus Empire]

Define "informed".

Having reasonable risk assessment capabilities and foresight.

So criminals can't consent?

[Galloism]

Having reasonable risk assessment capabilities and foresight.

So criminals can't consent?

Nor can many people until about 25.

[Zottistan]

Having reasonable risk assessment capabilities and foresight.

So criminals can't consent?

Who says criminals don't have reasonable enough risk management skills to have sex?

[The Parkus Empire]

Do the poor view the rich as the voice of reason? Are they trained to? Are the poor inherently easier to emotionally manipulate than the rich?

I think it's logical to conclude the poor are easier to manipulate by the rich in any given setting as compared to by another poor person.

Thanks to being able to buy all the drinks, having a standby limo, etc, they seem to have all the power and answers at their fingertips.

A lot of people find power attractive.

I guess it depends on how poor they are and how much power the other person has. A cop fucking a homeless person is pretty rapish, yeah.

[The Parkus Empire]

So criminals can't consent?

Who says criminals don't have reasonable enough risk management skills to have sex?

Who says some who is drunk doesn't?

[Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro]

For sure I would be ZOMG AIDS even if I was having a LSD or mushroom travel...

Can you speak for everybody?

It is "their fault", then.

For getting severely intoxicated, for not having how to accesse reliable people they'd trust, for trusting people that are semi-reliable, for not getting their STD prevention and birth control methods accessible, updated and easy to use.

If I do drugs and go to a gay party and do a banheirão or a darkroom and get AIDS, I am not going to cry like a baby and try to put guys in prison.

[Zottistan]

Who says criminals don't have reasonable enough risk management skills to have sex?

Who says some who is drunk doesn't?

In a lot of cases, most people. Not universally, sure, but then I'm sure that there are adults who aren't emotionally mature enough for sex, too. We don't have objective systems for assessing risk management.

[The Parkus Empire]

Who says some who is drunk doesn't?

In a lot of cases, most people. Not universally, sure, but then I'm sure that there are adults who aren't emotionally mature enough for sex, too. We don't have objective systems for assessing risk management.

If you have to be emotionally mature to have sex, then you're really gonna have to raise the age bar.

[Afanis]

I like this title. I will make it my life motto.

[Zottistan]

Can you speak for everybody?

It is "their fault", then.

For getting severely intoxicated, for not having how to accesse reliable people they'd trust, for trusting people that are semi-reliable, for not getting their STD prevention and birth control methods accessible, updated and easy to use.

If I do drugs and go to a gay party and do a banheirão or a darkroom and get AIDS, I am not going to cry like a baby and try to put guys in prison.

You could say the same thing about somebody being murdered wandering down a dark alley. "They shouldn't have been going down there, it's their fault."

Other people will. And some of them would have a valid claim. The problem is deciding which do have a valid claim and which don't.

[Zottistan]

In a lot of cases, most people. Not universally, sure, but then I'm sure that there are adults who aren't emotionally mature enough for sex, too. We don't have objective systems for assessing risk management.

If you have to be emotionally mature to have sex, then you're really gonna have to raise the age bar.

Emotionally immature people are easy to influence and manipulate, just like drunk people.

[The Parkus Empire]

If you have to be emotionally mature to have sex, then you're really gonna have to raise the age bar.

Emotionally immature people are easy to influence and manipulate, just like drunk people.

That is correct